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(Gizmodo)   Anti-vaxxer article written by head of the Cleveland Clinic is promoted, then disavowed, then taken down, then put back up, then disavowed again sort of. And now here it is promoted again. It's a veritable circle of Cleveland   ( gizmodo.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Cleveland Clinic, Vaccine, Vaccination, Influenza vaccine, anti-vaccination article online, Cleveland, Cleveland Clinic Wellness, Dr. Daniel Neides  
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906 clicks; posted to Geek » on 09 Jan 2017 at 11:29 PM (36 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2017-01-09 07:20:36 PM  
He needs to be fired, stat.
 
2017-01-09 09:48:38 PM  
In one single post, he probably just did more harm than he will do good in his entire career combined.  He should be fired.
 
2017-01-09 11:08:11 PM  
That's definitely a firin'. Just, wtf ????
 
2017-01-09 11:29:27 PM  
Can't they just fire him?
 
2017-01-09 11:33:32 PM  
Is this the same guy who demands that every surface be perfectly white?
 
2017-01-09 11:36:09 PM  
Oh my, the Cleveland Clinic pr/communications team's heads are about to explode.
 
2017-01-09 11:39:37 PM  
I have never had anything but first class care and interactions with staff at the Cleveland Clinic. Their chairs in the long term waiting area(surgery) are uncomfortable as shiat, but that's a minor quibble. And when I say first class, I mean first class. I have seen the ultra rich in the CC before. Rich Saudis there for a world class procedure who probably make more money in a day then I will in 10 years

And this guy worked in my old neighborhood. The lonely green dot of crime surrounded by a sea of red. Fark him with a bleach covered cactus.
 
2017-01-09 11:54:54 PM  
I wrote the Cleveland Clinic a warm email yesterday telling them they'd done an admirable thing by pulling this guy's post so quickly. They sent my back the boilerplate statement from this article, which was a nice sentiment and more than I expected honestly. If they're now backpedaling because of outrage from the willfully ignorant, well that kind of just shows the state of science in this country...
 
2017-01-09 11:58:46 PM  
Also, as mentioned in the comments (I know I shouldn't read them), CC does have an "integrated medicine" department that offers both reiki as well as hypnosis for children

Bums me out that pseudoscience has gained a foothold in places like this. I once naively hoped the internet would root out all this nonsense, but it's been quite the opposite.
 
2017-01-10 12:06:05 AM  
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2017-01-10 12:09:15 AM  
Speaking of vaccinations, I finally got a flu shot this year because I'm riding the bus into work, which is bacially like a Petri dish of contagion. So far it has saved my ass, since the flu is handing my office its ass, with half my team out sick last week.
 
2017-01-10 12:11:55 AM  

meyerkev: Is this the same guy who demands that every surface be perfectly white?


img.fark.net
 
2017-01-10 12:29:26 AM  

Mad_Radhu: [img.fark.net image 300x444]


Is that an anti-vaxxer movie?
 
2017-01-10 12:48:57 AM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Also, as mentioned in the comments (I know I shouldn't read them), CC does have an "integrated medicine" department that offers both reiki as well as hypnosis for children

Bums me out that pseudoscience has gained a foothold in places like this. I once naively hoped the internet would root out all this nonsense, but it's been quite the opposite.


bingo, it has been the opposite. It makes me worry about the future.
 
2017-01-10 12:56:21 AM  
Cleveland.com has an article up about the article itself. Basically a how it got posted and why it is back up. Short version:
1) He was a trusted writer so no pre-editing
2) Something went wrong so they didn't get an alert about the new post
3) He was the one who pulled it
4) Cleveland.com put it back up so they weren't running from it, and locked his account

Cleveland Clinic though really needs to see what they can do. Ideally he would be done if the contract allows it. He definitely needs more than a suspension because they would be lose all respect if he can return to the head post in wellness.
 
2017-01-10 01:02:38 AM  
This whole mess is one giant steamer.
 
2017-01-10 01:07:00 AM  
Burn the Heretic!
 
2017-01-10 01:15:03 AM  

TheManofPA: Cleveland.com has an article up about the article itself. Basically a how it got posted and why it is back up. Short version:
1) He was a trusted writer so no pre-editing
2) Something went wrong so they didn't get an alert about the new post
3) He was the one who pulled it
4) Cleveland.com put it back up so they weren't running from it, and locked his account

Cleveland Clinic though really needs to see what they can do. Ideally he would be done if the contract allows it. He definitely needs more than a suspension because they would be lose all respect if he can return to the head post in wellness.


Complete bullsh_t.

I cannot believe they don't edit articles. Completely false bullsh_t. An organization like CC has more than 100 people working in their pr/communications department. They pride themselves on being a source of health information for the public. They edit EVERYTHING. And if they don't, someone should be in a world of trouble over this. And the author should lose his job.
 
2017-01-10 02:23:16 AM  
Apparently the Clinic itself is well-regarded, but the Wellness Center division is specifically for blatantly harmful pseudoscience for some reason.  This appears to be working as intended, I don't know why they'd fire him for doing exactly what he was explicitly hired to do, which is peddle disproven bullshiat as medicine.
 
2017-01-10 02:40:34 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Speaking of vaccinations, I finally got a flu shot this year because I'm riding the bus into work, which is bacially like a Petri dish of contagion. So far it has saved my ass, since the flu is handing my office its ass, with half my team out sick last week.


Have you considered the opposite -- that riding a dirty bus may have helped your immune system rather than the flu shot? Here, let George Carlin explain:

 
2017-01-10 03:53:14 AM  
Well done, Cleveland Clinic. You've only gone and found your own Jenny McCarthy-like death merchant but with an actual MD then trashed your reputation by letting him spew his bollocks in your name. You must be proud.
 
2017-01-10 05:44:03 AM  
Death to those that disagree with me! For I have the internet and know things.
 
2017-01-10 05:53:06 AM  
"Wellness" is one of those words/concepts I put into the same category as "mindfulness" - a bath soap of an idea.
 
2017-01-10 06:00:01 AM  

LaChanz: Death to those that disagree with me! For I have the internet and know things.


In the Directors case here it's more along the lines of 'Death to those who agree with me' (and those around them).
 
2017-01-10 07:49:27 AM  
Sure, subby, but was it buried in soft peat for three months and finally recycled as fire lighters?
 
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2017-01-10 08:05:22 AM  
To be fair to the Cleveland Clinic, the article was on a unrelated site Cleveland.com. The clinic's only fault is hiring this asshat, but not at fault for allowing/publishing his blog post.

He won't have to worry about a job, Drumpf will appoint him as Surgeon General.
 
2017-01-10 08:26:40 AM  
fark the antivaxxers

We're gonna have a farking polio outbreak soon in a first world country soon thanks to their blatant lies.
 
2017-01-10 08:27:28 AM  

LaChanz: Death to those that disagree with me! For I have the internet and know things.


You've gotten death threats from antivaxxers too?
 
2017-01-10 08:39:53 AM  

MrEricSir: Mad_Radhu: Speaking of vaccinations, I finally got a flu shot this year because I'm riding the bus into work, which is bacially like a Petri dish of contagion. So far it has saved my ass, since the flu is handing my office its ass, with half my team out sick last week.

Have you considered the opposite -- that riding a dirty bus may have helped your immune system rather than the flu shot? Here, let George Carlin explain:

[YouTube video]


I have coworkers who also ride the bus who were taken down by the flu as well, so that wasn't quite it. Although I'm sure it has helped my immune system overall.
 
2017-01-10 08:49:48 AM  

LaChanz: Death to those that disagree with me! For I have the internet and know things.


Death to those who allow preventable illnesses to come back and kill people.
 
2017-01-10 09:21:40 AM  
Here's the problem - we tolerate idiots.  My wife has a circle of female friends that includes an anti-vaxxer and her brood of unvaccinated children (with religious exemption so they can still attend our children's school as a health threat).

Not one of those women will say a damn thing for fear of offending her, so she's living in a bubble where her beliefs aren't considered stupid, and she feels free to share and perhaps convert a few others.

There are few things dumber than a group of stay-at-home moms.  Maybe a PTA meeting.
 
2017-01-10 09:43:35 AM  

MrEricSir: Mad_Radhu: Speaking of vaccinations, I finally got a flu shot this year because I'm riding the bus into work, which is bacially like a Petri dish of contagion. So far it has saved my ass, since the flu is handing my office its ass, with half my team out sick last week.

Have you considered the opposite -- that riding a dirty bus may have helped your immune system rather than the flu shot? Here, let George Carlin explain:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/CnmMNdiCz_s - 480x270]


Yes, when I look for medical advice I'm going to accept the 40 year old ravings of a comedian with no scientific or medical background over the peer-reviewed data provided by my doctor.
 
2017-01-10 10:36:42 AM  

Unsung_Hero: There are few things dumber than a group of stay-at-home moms.  Maybe a PTA meeting.


Challenge accepted.

img.fark.net
 
2017-01-10 11:52:24 AM  

Big_Doofus: TheManofPA: Cleveland.com has an article up about the article itself. Basically a how it got posted and why it is back up. Short version:
1) He was a trusted writer so no pre-editing
2) Something went wrong so they didn't get an alert about the new post
3) He was the one who pulled it
4) Cleveland.com put it back up so they weren't running from it, and locked his account

Cleveland Clinic though really needs to see what they can do. Ideally he would be done if the contract allows it. He definitely needs more than a suspension because they would be lose all respect if he can return to the head post in wellness.

Complete bullsh_t.

I cannot believe they don't edit articles. Completely false bullsh_t. An organization like CC has more than 100 people working in their pr/communications department. They pride themselves on being a source of health information for the public. They edit EVERYTHING. And if they don't, someone should be in a world of trouble over this. And the author should lose his job.


This is Cleveland.com's writeup on it, not CC. Cleveland.com had given him blog access without editing. They did state that he should have a PR team I believe that looks at it. There was an article with the website doing Q&A about what happened.
 
2017-01-10 12:25:01 PM  

Occam's Disposable Razor: Also, as mentioned in the comments (I know I shouldn't read them), CC does have an "integrated medicine" department that offers both reiki as well as hypnosis for children

Bums me out that pseudoscience has gained a foothold in places like this. I once naively hoped the internet would root out all this nonsense, but it's been quite the opposite.


I'm probably in the minority here, but I see nothing wrong at all in CC offering these treatments. The website specifically states, "Your child may benefit from integrative medicine as a complement to the care they are already receiving to treat chronic illness." In other words, the CC isn't saying they're going to stop your child's chemotherapy in favor of new age crystal dousing - they're saying, "maybe if we help your child feel more relaxed & take their mind off the pain, the stress of other treatments won't hurt so much."

Western medicine can be wonderful for acute conditions, but it tends to fail miserably when it comes to treating chronic pain, and in how it treats patients who have chronic pain. I've suffered from chronic pain for most of my life, and find that things like acupuncture, hypnosis, and mindful breathing meditation have greatly improved my life. I'm glad these modalities are finally gaining some acceptance in the medical community. Maybe if acupuncture, etc. hadn't been so vilified, I'd have tried it sooner & wouldn't have wasted so many years in extra pain. YMMV.
 
2017-01-11 01:55:20 AM  

MrEricSir: Mad_Radhu: Speaking of vaccinations, I finally got a flu shot this year because I'm riding the bus into work, which is bacially like a Petri dish of contagion. So far it has saved my ass, since the flu is handing my office its ass, with half my team out sick last week.

Have you considered the opposite -- that riding a dirty bus may have helped your immune system rather than the flu shot? Here, let George Carlin explain:

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/CnmMNdiCz_s - 480x270]


I'm just getting over the flu -- today was the first day for a week that I didn't feel like my bones were made of cracking glass. I've gotten the shot most years (including this one) and have been riding the bus for those years as well. This is the first time I've actually caught it. However, nobody else in the family caught it from me, and only a couple of them ride the bus routinely. I'm guessing the shot helped them more than whatever secondhand miasma I brought home from Seattle's finest passenger service.
 
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