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(globeandmail)   Winnepeg bans smoking around children. Donut shop responds by banning kids.   (globeandmail.com ) divider line
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2002-01-06 02:27:12 PM  
It makes great economic sense for other reasons as well... although it may be annoying to parents with children, those kids are REALLY annoying to those of us that don't have kids. A large percentage of the kids that are old enough to go out to eat on their own but not old enough to drink are usually a real pain in the ass... they don't tip, they leave a huge mess, etc.

I say good for them; as it's a relatively small number, if people who don't smoke don't like it, don't go.
 
2002-01-06 02:28:44 PM  
Damn no more Munchkins?
 
2002-01-06 02:31:42 PM  
If they're going to ban smoking, they should just ban it outright, like with drugs.
 
2002-01-06 02:32:31 PM  
Hey I thought this was already posted with a different title.
But great show as always, Phil!
 
2002-01-06 02:35:03 PM  
Actually it's Winnipeg, I live here so I can spell it right! Anyways, the law doesn't suck as much as smokers!
 
2002-01-06 02:36:10 PM  
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Fantastic.
 
2002-01-06 02:37:51 PM  
These businesses obviously know what they're doing and who they make their money from, if they're around a school then they'll want the kids in for lunch and whatnot so they'll ban smoking. But if the donut shop is around a concentrated group of businesses who gets it's business from people coming in for lunch and smoking, well they're not going to make any money from that one kid who may wander in every few days.

I'm from Winnipeg too :D but I'm not a smoker or a minor so it doesn't affect me one bit.
 
2002-01-06 02:45:53 PM  
Now what we need are resturaunts that ban both Smokers and Kids. Smoke offends the lungs; children, the ears. Both can absolutely wreck an expensive dining experience. Ban 'em both, and they'll have a customer for life.
 
2002-01-06 02:54:53 PM  
Yay, 1-0 to the smokers.

The only thing worse than a smoker is a self-rightous anti-smoker.

Spark up with pride my canadian comrades.
 
2002-01-06 02:56:49 PM  
Woo HOO a hometown story!
 
2002-01-06 02:59:29 PM  
Its the business that takes the risks and spends its money that should decide how it should lose it. The customer decides.
 
2002-01-06 03:00:13 PM  
SPELL WINNIPEG CORRECTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
2002-01-06 03:02:56 PM  
I wish they could've banned kids from the mexican restaurant I worked at in high school. Attention parents: If your kid can't eat pudding without making a mess, DON'T FEED IT TACOS! Thank you.
 
2002-01-06 03:09:42 PM  

NEWSFLASH, NEWSFLASH, NEWSFLASH.

Bill Gates copywrites WINnipeg, Canadians happy.

 
2002-01-06 03:13:21 PM  
Smoking is cool.. I wish I had the courage to start on the wonderful habit, so I too can be proud to spark up.
 
2002-01-06 03:16:33 PM  
http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegSun/editorial.html
 
2002-01-06 03:20:57 PM  
The assorted human rights orginizations are already looking at the owners actions to see if it's a violation of the Charter. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out actually, since you can only legally ban kids from licensed establishments or 'adult' locations and stores...

Perhaps the donut shops need topless waitresses? I'm going to go to the closest Tim's and suggest it. (p.s. Americans: Tim's kicks Krispy Kreme's pasty bloated ass...)
 
2002-01-06 03:22:21 PM  
What city council should do is show some leadership and institute a real, city-wide smoking crackdown in all public places, not just those where minors are present.


Why not ban beer and perscription drugs aswell?

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2002-01-06 03:23:38 PM  
Remember kids your olny mature if you light up a nice smoooth camel ciggerete, smooth silky ciggeretes, now with a joe camel action figure!
Everything gives us cancer today, why is everyone scared of a little secondhand smoke?
 
2002-01-06 03:23:44 PM  
Lucky bastards. I live in California, we're not allowed to smoke anywhere. No restaurants, donut shops, bars. Nowhere.

It's facism.
 
2002-01-06 03:28:15 PM  
If Im going out to eat with my kid, Im going to a family restaurant or a buffet. No big deal.
If Im going out with friends(no kids), I go to a nicer restaurant or a bar.
I waitressed when I was younger(at a VERY nice restaurant), and damned if I didnt wish people would leave their kids at home.
Smoking or no, good for them. Most bars dont allow kids in them because of the liquor. If I had a restaurant Id love to have a good excuse to ban kids.
heh.
 
2002-01-06 03:28:54 PM  
I'm with rebug, coming from England we smoke everywhere.

You damn Yanks are giving our government ideas and I don't like that.

Over here kids arn't allowed in bars period, and as an ex-publican that is just great.
We go to bars and resturants to escape our (and other) kids, so if as adults we want to smoke we can!

A Tab A Day Keeps The Doctor Away
 
2002-01-06 03:46:49 PM  
This is a goofy law, but things were goofier before it was introduced. Case in point: You couldn't smoke in the OUTDOOR football stadium, but you could light up inside. Of course, there were wayyyyyy too many smokers/beer carriers stuffed inside at half time. Lead to lots of spillage and burnage. Before, I only spilled beer on the person sitting in front of me. Now everyone's in peril. :)
 
2002-01-06 03:51:48 PM  
I can spell:

Winnipeg...P H O E N I X
Jets...C O Y O T E S
 
2002-01-06 03:56:18 PM  
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It Had to be done at some point!

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2002-01-06 04:02:17 PM  
Christ, is the whole bloody newspaper posted on the same page?
 
2002-01-06 04:03:36 PM  
Yeeesh. Let's make it illegal for children and non-smokers to come around smokers. That's better.

Smoking is the best! *coughs up brown phlegm*

The United Pro Choice Smokers Rights Newsletter
http://www.smokersclub.com/newsltr.htm
 
2002-01-06 04:13:11 PM  
The only thing sadder than this whole article is the fact that it took me 15 minutes to find the article in this shiatty rag. They should learn html or something.

Anyways, this article is wrong on so many levels. I hope they use an air purifier. Who the hell would want their donuts smelling like that?
 
hnb
2002-01-06 04:13:42 PM  
What kinda link is that? You download the whole freaking paper with one click! Those Canadians need to get some HTML skills!
 
2002-01-06 04:18:53 PM  
LOL, that comes from a society that has 90 percent of its TV shows on one channel (CBC).
 
2002-01-06 04:31:14 PM  
AceClown: The difference is, second-hand smoke. You drink alcohol the guy standing next to you won't get drunk. You smoke next to him and he'll choke on your second-hand smoke.

Oh and for the record, my child is a quiet one--even when he's awake. He only uses crying as a last resort.
 
2002-01-06 04:47:08 PM  
I knew this type of thing would start happening. The local goverment wanted to make "everyone" happy. It failed miserably. You either have to go all or nothing...

Gosh I loved going the bars in Ottawa.

AceClown... LOL.
You have no farking idea where Winnipeg is, do you?
 
2002-01-06 04:55:05 PM  
The only thing worse than a dumb broad is a cigarette with a filter on it. I didn't fight the facsists to be told where I can smoke 'em.
 
2002-01-06 05:21:18 PM  
Just ban smoking in public places like some places are doing. Cigarette smoke annoys the living hell out of me.
 
2002-01-06 05:22:04 PM  
"Oh and for the record, my child is a quiet one--even when he's awake. He only uses crying as a last resort."

It's funny how its always the "other" child not their own until its too late. Just like Columbine and the other darlings, the 15 yr old autodestruct pilot and Wrestlebabymania, et al.

If children are the future 'sighs' then I don't need to see or hear from them until then. Thank you.
 
2002-01-06 05:30:37 PM  
Smoking is legal so blow your anti-smoking Nazism out your arse. And keep your "pull down off the shelf for display" rugrats and badly mannered children the fark away from me. They're even worse than second hand smoke. I don't eat at your stupid McDonalds, stay the hell away from my coffee shop and keep your precious lil'poopums away from me.
 
2002-01-06 05:50:17 PM  
Ouroborus - that hurts
 
2002-01-06 05:51:21 PM  
Smokers and non-smokers should only gather together by personal choice. I think public buildings should be non smoking, and minors should be banned from any business that chooses to allow smoking. Here in Winnipeg, all government buildings are smoke free, the smokers go outside to dedicated areas, or even down the street. I'm a nonsmoker, never smoked, and don't like it much when I'm in a business or home where there is smoke. I ask the smoking (m)embers of my family (and my friends) to please not smoke around us non smoking members, or try to quit the habit. I'll help them.
My local (Wpg) coffee house has barred minors, which made up about a quarter of its business, and has become a smoky den the last few days. I won't be going back unless they go smoke free or at least better ventilate the place so we don't choke. And I prefer to go to a restaurant and not be bothered by cigar and cigarette smoke, I'll support the restaurants that go smoke free. As I understand it, tobacco was occasionally and ceremonially smoked by North American Aboriginals before colonization. It's not meant to be a daily habit, and the chemicals and additives that the cigarette companies add don't help matters. There's enough information about the hazards of secondhand smoke and inhaling out there, on the web and in libraries, bookstores, and so on. And one last thing, it's not that i think smokers are necessarily bad people, it's the smoking that's bad. Later!
 
2002-01-06 05:53:21 PM  
and the smoking laws should be all or nothing. And I miss the Winnipeg Jets!
 
2002-01-06 05:54:46 PM  
NO, In the state of California it is illegal for anyone to smoke in businesses. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad. For the past 3 years I have never went into a business eatery smelling and gagging of smoke. You know what? I AVOID THOSE PLACES. Sure bars, pool areas.. may take a hit in business. Elsewhere such as ugly malls, donut shops, etc... have freedom for the rest of us.
 
2002-01-06 06:33:35 PM  
Billy--He's only 3 weeks old. I seriously doubt he's going to terrorize anyone anytime soon....
 
2002-01-06 06:51:58 PM  
Sorry if its already been said, but...

Now if they would just ban both smoking AND children...


The problem with allowing smoking is that someone who is allergic to smoke can't go in a smoking place, but a smoker can go anywhere and just not smoke if its now allowed. I think they should ban smoking so that restaurants could convert their smoking and non-smoking sections (which means you can smell smoke in the whole place anyway) into children and non-children sections. That way breeders can let their kids scream and run and throw food all they want and they'll only bother other breeders.
 
2002-01-06 07:13:58 PM  
Snooker: Good point.
 
2002-01-06 07:40:44 PM  
Ok, I'm a non-smoker (ex actually) and so I don't mind smoke free zones, but where will it end? First it's smoking, then it's farting, then it's bad breath, followed by perfume, followed by fabric softener. What is this country coming to? I just got back from Germany, and they let you smoke in the AIRPORT!! Can you believe it?????? OHMYGOD. AND you can bring your dog into a BAR..and you CAN SMOKE WITH YOUR DOG IN A BAR. America is the next Russia. Communism will be heaven compared to what's gonna happen here. Mark my words...
 
2002-01-06 07:43:54 PM  
Uh.. one question: Why would you want people smoking in a donut shop? Those must be some nasty tasting donuts with all that smoke hanging around...
 
2002-01-06 08:57:56 PM  
If only more dining establishments would ban children, things would be great. There is nothing more that I hate than trying to have my meal while the little bastards at the table next to me scream their lungs out. And it's super great when the little f(u)ckers start running around and disrupting everything...while their dumbass parents sit there like their waiter gave them a lobotomy. Oh, how I wish I could stand up and smack those little bastards and their clueless parents...

As for banning or not banning smoking, as a non-smoker, I could care less. You wanna smoke? Hey, fine by me. Just don't try to sue Big Tobacco, just because your stupid ass didn't know smoking was addictive and generally bad for you (well duh!).

Oh, and I have eaten at a Tim's before. Sorry, Krispy Kreme still kicks Tim's ass with EXTREME prejucide. If Tim's is so hot, then why was Krispy Kreme the donut of choice for Elvis Presley? :)

Rawr.
 
2002-01-06 09:58:28 PM  
Which donut do cops prefer?

WinnipegDragon and StompinTom: I really enjoyed being a tourist in Winnipeg long years ago. I was down at Grand Forks and the only decent rock station then was CITI. single guys from the base used to to go to Winnipeg to meet girls - the Norski girls in Grand Forks did not like "basers" 'cause we weren't their cousin.

Also I liked Molson's!

Everybody who objects to screaming little kids in retaurants - ME TOO! I also object to loud drunk women when I'm trying to eat in oeace - UNLESS they're MY loud drunk women.
 
2002-01-06 10:09:41 PM  
Sorry - meant "eat in peace."
 
Eli
2002-01-06 10:24:20 PM  
Lunatic At the bars I go to, dogs are allowed. That's in NYC...
 
2002-01-06 11:12:53 PM  
Torquemada:

I agree. It's always a gamble when I go to a restaurant. Do I want to sit and eat while breathing disgusting smoke, or do I want to sit and eat while hearing annoying farking children with equally annoying farking parents?
 
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