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(Some Guy)   Writer at Massachusetts Daily Collegian: "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what was coming to him"   ( divider line
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2004-04-29 12:57:51 PM  
here we go again....

my only worry is that the release of the intarweb upon the unwashed masses without some form of control has led to the proliferation of Asperger's Syndrome, known forth as General Asshatery.
2004-04-29 01:11:40 PM  
General Asshattery? LOL! Don't forget his personal secretary, Major Dumbfark!
2004-04-29 01:13:55 PM  
Perhaps the online version of the paper should be called "The Daily Flamewarrian"

While I must defend his right to say it, I'd have to say to the guy before publishing anything like that: "Dude, WTF?"
2004-04-29 01:34:51 PM  
don't worry, this shouldn't be a long one
2004-04-29 01:34:57 PM  
Truth hurts?

/no, seriously, do you think anyone thought he wouldn't get hurt/killed?
2004-04-29 01:35:13 PM  
Well, fark that guy, he's a jagoff.
2004-04-29 01:35:15 PM  
Hmmm. Perhaps we can just cut and paste the comments left in the thread about Tilman from last week into the comments section for this headline. I think it would save a lot of time.
2004-04-29 01:35:25 PM  
And this guys going to get what's coming to him.

I'll let you use you imagination, but I hope it involves a broomstick and a policeman's uniform.
2004-04-29 01:35:46 PM  
"I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures"

With incontrovertible proof like that, who am I to argue?
2004-04-29 01:35:54 PM  
I have a suspicion that in the ensuing flamewar here, the article author will "get what was coming to him."
2004-04-29 01:35:55 PM  
What an aging hippie liberal douche.
2004-04-29 01:36:03 PM  
That's really uncool, but he's got the right to say it.
2004-04-29 01:36:18 PM  
He's not a jagoff, poopy-pants!

/throwin' fuel on the fire
2004-04-29 01:36:18 PM  

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Democrat War Heroes

2004-04-29 01:36:20 PM  
I only ask this:

What makes a real HERO?

Bush got the farking "Hero" tag on Fark many times, once for the faux story of him "volunteering" for Nam...So the word "hero" is cheapened through our common usage.

So...what makes a real "Hero?"
2004-04-29 01:36:20 PM  
He put himself in harms way for others. Alive or dead he is/was a hero.
2004-04-29 01:36:25 PM  
site already farked?
2004-04-29 01:36:27 PM  
Some idiotic MA student writer sure would know. What a maroon.
2004-04-29 01:37:07 PM  
Poor Choice of words

Leave it to a state school college student to make being right sound so wrong. This is not about being Macho, but it is about Americans being deceived into exchanging their lives for what passes as 'loyalty' or 'duty to country'. What they're really doing in Afghanistan is providing Bodyguard support so that Halliburton can lay enough Pipeline to suck Afghanistan dry and make another billion for Dick Cheney. I think you need to pick your battles, and this rant is obviously a poor choice to vent on - however its got our attention, I bet he's sorry he wrote that.
2004-04-29 01:37:18 PM  
Oh, man, this is going to show the best sides of war hawks, veterans, Republicans, and the like.

Much like a black dude getting a hummer from a white chick at a Klan rally.
2004-04-29 01:37:19 PM  
asshats of the world unite to declare that this guys is a REAL asshat!!
2004-04-29 01:37:20 PM  
farked with a side of fries
2004-04-29 01:37:26 PM  
Some people just cant stand it when other people are too heroic.

/got nothin
2004-04-29 01:37:42 PM  
Ridiculous. Whatever his reasons or motives, the guy gave his life in service to his country. (Can't RTFA, their site appears to be farked.)
2004-04-29 01:38:16 PM  
The writer of the article needs a visit from Col Nathan Jessup, USMC:

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns.

Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg?

I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand at post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
2004-04-29 01:38:28 PM  
Well I would say runniing towards the World Trade Towers as they crumble, hoping to sane others would be a good start
2004-04-29 01:38:33 PM  
Weak site, already farked.
2004-04-29 01:38:39 PM  
Friggin thing is farked already. I'm sure the author will get whats coming to him though too when some exrangers read it and see his name.
2004-04-29 01:38:57 PM  
Site farked in <1000 hits.

2004-04-29 01:39:10 PM  

sigh..another waste of the preview button
2004-04-29 01:39:11 PM  
Link-ee es teh Fark-ee.

Fix-ee fix-ee!

2004-04-29 01:39:18 PM  
He's a hero in most people's eyes because he gave up a lucrative, hihg-paying contract to go fight for something he believed in.

That being said, I'd like to read the original article that this is referring to. I'd like to see the another opinion on the matter.
2004-04-29 01:39:23 PM  
this guy's hero is probably a former superhero actor that get thrown off a horse and crippled.

I'll take Tillman over him.
2004-04-29 01:39:23 PM  
Can someone post his article? Site's farked, and I want to read what this idiot wrote.
2004-04-29 01:39:41 PM  
Sites farked. Can only hope their server turns into a mass of molten metal on the floor.
2004-04-29 01:40:01 PM  
Kerry and the Kennedy's.

This Jack-Ass.

I leave it to you and your common sense to make any connections. It's sad to know that the same state that has produced several close friends of mine, is equally capable of producing this.
2004-04-29 01:40:08 PM  
So he feels the same way about Pat Tilman that Michael Moore feels about our troops in Iraq: They're the bad guys, fighting for an evil regime, and they deserve to die.

This also reminds me of that banner "peace" protesters held up in San Francisco: "We support the troops when they kill their officers."

This seems to be quite a common opinion on the left. Not universal, thank God. But quite common. Given that such left-wing "heroes" as Noam Chomsky believe that America is the source of most evil in the modern world, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that many liberals really do hate America.
2004-04-29 01:40:13 PM  
For those for whom the site is farked, the column has been replaced by this:

To our readers:

April 29, 2004

In yesterday's Editorial/Opinion section of The Massachusetts Daily Collegian, a column titled "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what was coming to him" appeared. In the piece, graduate student Rene Gonzalez wrote about the death of former NFL player and Army Ranger Pat Tillman, who was killed during a skirmish in Afghanistan last Friday.

A flood of feedback has poured in, nearly all of which is harsh criticism of either Gonzalez's words or of The Collegian's decision to run the column. In fact, reader response has been so great that we would like to take this opportunity to respond to our readers.

Rene Gonzalez is a graduate student at the University of Massachusetts who occasionally submits columns to The Collegian. While his views in no way reflect the opinion of our editorial board or staff, we base our decisions not on whether we agree with the opinion of students submitting opinion pieces, but on the backbone of journalism: The First Amendment.

As a news organization, The Collegian lists the First Amendment as its most important value and asset. We do not hold back from printing news stories, columns or editorials that may upset our readership - instead, we seek to both inform and stir debate through our publication. Our decision to publish Gonzalez's column - an opinion piece written by a member of our campus community - is the only way for us to live up to this ideal.

One of the most important points that we at The Collegian want to stress to our readers is the nature of the Editorial/Opinion page. Not one columnist or student's opinion printed on our page represents that of the paper at large. Gonzalez's opinion is his own, and it runs under our pages as a single voice on our campus. The Editorial/Opinion page is designed to give a wide variety of students a chance to speak through a large-scale medium. With that comes the possibility of discourse and disagreement, and that is an accepted reality for us.

We would also like to draw attention to the fact that The Collegian has reported and commented on Tillman's death, and life, on a number of occasions in the last few days. Two columns written by editors on our staff have been published in praise of Tillman's life and his willingness to sacrifice it for what he believed in, including one column that ran on the page next to Gonzalez's. This was done intentionally, to display to our readers that we do not publish any opinion piece with more favor than any other - instead, we adhered to one of our missions: to create discussion, with dialogue on the merits of each argument.

The opinion of Gonzalez, though it dissented from that of the other two columns, deserved its space within the debate. Through the Web site feedback, phone calls and e-mails we have received, it has become very obvious to us at The Collegian that Gonzalez's opinion has caused a lot of controversy and frustration. We cannot, however, compromise the mission of our publication for the sake of ensuring the constant happiness of our readership. Gonzalez has just as much right to the opinion he presented as anyone else does, and we at The Collegian hope that this incident will foster a relationship with our readers that shows we are open to all opinions, not only the ones many people agree with.

We welcome all feedback on the issue, and hope that this represents growth in our relationship with you, the readers.


The Massachusetts Daily Collegian Editorial Board
2004-04-29 01:40:23 PM  
Let's not lump him in with all aging, liberal, hippy douches.

/just a douche
2004-04-29 01:40:35 PM  
Well that's certainly one way to test your e-mail service.
2004-04-29 01:40:37 PM  
To this author, and all those of his ilk, I say:

Get a brain morans.

2004-04-29 01:40:37 PM  
Asshat writer!!
2004-04-29 01:40:41 PM  
Haha.. man, could they say that guy's name more often. I'm guessing he's now in hiding somewhere on campus.

Still, you gotta have some guts to express your opinion in a public forum, especially an opinion that's bound to piss a lot of people off.

What I really love about America these days is how everyone embraces their liberties and the liberties of their fellow citizens. You know, like the freedom of speech (unless you disagree, in that case you should be flayed alive).
2004-04-29 01:41:44 PM  
Your name should be thenewdumbf*ck
2004-04-29 01:41:51 PM  
This is America and our constitution says that this guy has a right to say what he wants. I support that right just like I support the right to burn the flag. I don't agree with either one, but I support their rights.
2004-04-29 01:41:56 PM  
Damn, the people running the Daily Collegian site wussed out and put a semi-apology up in place of Gonzalez's column. My favorite part of the column was the part about how the Taliban should be supported because it is made up of locals from Afghanistan, even though they, y'know, might not have the same kind of forward-thinking social values as we do.
2004-04-29 01:41:58 PM  
Agreed johnny_vegas
2004-04-29 01:42:24 PM  
What do you want from a state that has Kennedy and Kerry as their Senators?
2004-04-29 01:43:03 PM  
I like how this guy claims that Tillman got his inspiration from Rambo movies, yet he's the one who knows them all by heart. Even Rambo 3.
2004-04-29 01:43:39 PM  
Well I'm sure that Rene Gonzalez wont be upset when some one gives him what he has coming also.
How long before he gets it?
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