Turkeyhead

Don't mistake their with his.

As most Communist regimes to date have been nothing more than Dictatorships really, run by men, with little concern for women.

Focusing on that aspect however, doesn't excuse the futility of what was Viet Nam.

If Vietnam had not been run as a political operation, but rather as a real war, things would have turned out much differently. As is was, Vietnam was a military victory but a serious political loss. Though, some 30 years later we have emerged victorious from the Cold War.

Atwight014 - Itachi means weasel.

I'm voting for the Apocalypse and the more creative liar...I'm voting Bush.

No, i'm not doing that.

Hmm. That was a NewsMax article, and other than vaguely tying in the usual Kerry-Fonda connections (who cares? She did something symbolic in front of a camera. Stop the farking presses!), it actually also does a good job of promoting Kerry's charisma and determination for his convictions. Jug Burkett is the only non-anecdotal reference, and who knows if Corbis edited the picture, like Xtremehkr mentioned? It really does absolutely nothing to convince us that he's a bad choice for Prez. Quite the opposite, when you consider the source.

Turkeyhead:

To clarify: at no point in my previous post did I make a mention of "their way of life." To what people do you refer?

My reference to starvation serves to highlight a consequence of our economic system: surpluses and shortages. If you'd like to see an example of this in action, take a look at this abstract from a NY Times article from 2002 (I apologize, but I don't have the entire article, so if you want to read it in its entirety, you'll have to ante up...should have saved it when I first read it a year ago).

For the record, if terrorism indeed comes from "a hatred of our culture, our country, of us," why, in your opinion, do terrorists hate us? More specifically, what separates terrorists, who hate us, from their neighbors (and here I speak not in terms of nation-states but of individual human beings), who do not commit terrorism?

Turkeyhead has won the coveted Most Aptly Chosen User Name On Fark award!

Aside from that dubious honor, he also gets the Most Likely To Use Thoroughly Debunked "Evidence" To Support His Sudden Desire To Diss On An American War Hero Because His Politics And Kerry's Don't Agree award.

Don't you feel special, now?

/sarcasm

Seriously, could a Republican...any Republican...please at least make the attempt to use some miniscule shred of evidence for why they should be supporting the draft-dodger in office instead of the guy who actually went to Viet Nam, fought, came back wounded, and protested a war he knew by then was unjust?

Someone, please, something besides these pathetic and almost absurdist character assassination attempts?

Here ya go.. Snopes makes a slightly more educated attempt at explaining the photo, and also explains that Fonda didn't become "Hanoi Jane" until two years after the VVAW rally the photo was taken at. That makes the connection even less significant. Also, remember that Kerry still actually went to Vietnam before he came back and "flip-flopped," deciding to oppose the war.

And with that angry, disgusted rant, I'm going to bed...

/GoodDamon, over and out...

GoodDamon: You better repost your challenge or something. It's just not happening. People are defending Bush with semantics and fairy tales now.

Seriously, could a Republican...any Republican...please at least make the attempt to use some miniscule shred of evidence for why they should be supporting the draft-dodger in office instead of the guy who actually went to Viet Nam, fought, came back wounded, and protested a war he knew by then was unjust?

You are dreamin dude. We are talking about Republicans here. Worse, Republicans that love George Bush.

BTW, Chelsea, I haven't forgotten the Fark post you made months ago declaring yourself among the anyone but Bush crowd. I also haven't forgotten that you posted that you hoped Kerry did not get the Dem nomination because he was a "bonified war hero".

I can't say I am surprised to see you "flip-flop".

And in case you don't read it here, I am going to post it in other threads till you cop to it. Flip-flopper.

Hey Turkeyhead, wanna put up the date of that picture with Kerry sitting three rows back of Fonda?

Oh, I can see where you might be kinda bashful about that, considering you dated the picture of Fonda with the anti-aircraft gun crew.

Kerry used his distinguished service in Vietnam for political gain.......

But Bush went AWOL and used cocaine!!!!

I love how this is the biggest issue in your stupid elections. Enjoy your bread and circuses and may you be governed by the stupidest of men.

Once again, fark you Bush loving inbreds. Support your burnt out druggy all the way to a landslide loss in November.

"The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.
(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring-do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too.
(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple: If you had somebody on the beach, your boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.

Something is fishy."

That's quiet a reenactment of events. I like someone that will break a battle down, minute by minute, to let us all know how things should have transpired. I especially like your points on standard procedure, because that carries extra weight from someone that hasnt been in combat. You can tell us all, not only how Kerry should have handled himself, but as you said earlier, what a pussy he is.

It must do you great justice to go to bed every night knowing you have put this combat veteran in his virtual place.

Do yourself a favor: strip off your Spiderman Underoos, realize youre not a man, but simply a mouth, and suck your thumb. That is the closest thing you have to offer to being a combat veteran. Youve shown the world your true colors; you are a loser.

I love how all you stupid libs say Bush is a cokehead without a scintilla of evidence. Way to take the moral high ground.

Rock_Geek77

Man, you are going to be one sad little liberal come November...

"I love how all you stupid libs say Bush is a cokehead without a scintilla of evidence. Way to take the moral high ground."

This is your political statement? Your reason to cast a vote? That "stupid libs" say Bush is a cokehead? Has that come up in this campaign?

I'm surprised you haven't been selected to replace Karen Hughes! Imagine the depth of your campaign slogans: "alot of libs think Bush did coke. but they cant prove it. so there."

Done! Bush is reelected because of the genius of, hold on, let me get the name straight, Kerrykabob!

Turkeyhead ... flying the flag upside down isn't in any way meant to defame the flag. Before you start foaming at the mouth, maybe you should do a little investigating. Flying a flag upside down is the international symbol of distress -- for instance, a ship seen in the distance with its flag upside down is signalling to anyone who sees it that it needs help. That's all. No defamation, no evil communist conspiracy, just a very recognizable symbol of distress. By showing the flag upside down, the website is sending the message that they believe, for whatever reason, that America itself is in distress -- which is in perfect harmony with the constitutional rights these veterans were allegedly sent off to war to defend.

How dare you defame them.

Well, if Drudge said it - it must be bullshiat.

The retardlican attack machine is starting to sputter. Teh funny. They're getting pretty desperate.

Next up: Last year, John Kerry was observed eating a turkey sandwich with MAYO! But yesterday, a republican operative observed Kerry eating a turkey sandwich with NO MAYO! FLIP/FLOP?

Let us know when you want to debate the economy, jobs, foreign policy, the environment, national security, war, or any other actual issue.

/losers.

Wow, such an important issue. I'm glad that this is the kind of stuff that people are supposed to base their decisions on when it comes to the future of this country.

/sarcasm

The problem with the medals is not that he did it (althought its a BIG problem to me), is that the guy LIED about doing it!

Kerry can't stay true to one thing he has said, and that's his main problem. He has had more positions than a three-way that included Kobe Tai, Houston, and Bianna Banks. All the guy had to say is "Yes, I threw the medals." and half the people would have forgotten about it.

Kerry is giving the Republicans all the ammo they need to make sure he is a presidental canadiate failure. It's like the Republicans found out the "Let's see how bad you can fark up the guy runnin against you" test for 2004 was an open book and the Kerry information was a tri-folded pamplet. It's just too damn easy.

GodHead

Apparently your wish has already been granted.

I will vote for kerry regardless. Medals are a non-issue. This was 30 years ago, and had I been in the same position, I surely would have done at least the same, if not more in protest.

Just reading the transcript, you can tell there is intelligence in the man. I would LOVE to hear bush defend himself against such a trivial attack. He'd launch himself into a studdering hysteria, and end up saying "I dont remember" or "No comment" to the rest of the questions.

This would not be an issue had Kerry's people not brought it up and had it blow up in their collective, and rather long faces...

Kerry is such a dush-bag! He even looks like one. Bush is no angel, but at least with Bush we know where we stand. Kerry reminds me of a closet racist. You just don't know what you gonna get!

The problem with the medals is not that he did it (althought its a BIG problem to me), is that the guy LIED about doing it!


Lied about doing WHAT? He threw stuff over the fence -- he says he did, the cameras recorded it, everyone there saw it!! Does it make any difference at all if they were ribbons or medals or if someone called them by the wrong name or the right name or if the military used the same words for them collectively back in the 70s?

What is the point of this whole criticism? I really don't understand!!

snarf-snarf, has Kerry came out and just said "Yes, I threw my medals." No, he hasn't. He has given every freaking story but that. This is just another link in the line of his non-ability to stick to his original STORY!

2004-04-27 10:06:38 AM CatholicSamurai

snarf-snarf, has Kerry came out and just said "Yes, I threw my medals." No, he hasn't. He has given every freaking story but that. This is just another link in the line of his non-ability to stick to his original STORY!

He has come out and said exactly what he did. Over and over again. His story has never changed. Republicans are using semantics to make it look as if it did.

I'll recap:

He threw his ribbons over the fence. At some point he spoke of having thrown his "medals" over, because in the army (or navy) ribbons are often referred to casually as medals. Later, because there was some misunderstanding about the casual versus precise meaning of the word "medal", someone asked him to clarify exactly what he threw over, his ribbons or his actual medals. He then made it perfectly clear that he threw his ribbons, not his actual medals, that he had used the term "medals" colloquially, as any soldier would have. No lies, no changing his story, no flip flop of any kind. He's perfectly clear about what he did.

Ok, so let me get this straight as I'm not an American. Ah, the hell with it... if something like this is a controversy and worthy of several days of endless coverage, then you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Farking pathetic!

Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop, Flip Flop
Waffles anyone?

2004-04-26 10:23:32 PM HRPuffinStuff
danielabernath

Daniel A. Bernath?

Looks like it. Pages found are consistent with what he has stated in this thread and the other (=930175)...

I would just like to say that I am very upset at the Democrats for nominating just about the only person in America who could lose to Bush.

2004-04-27 11:36:19 AM keesvanloomacklin


I would just like to say that I am very upset at the Democrats for nominating just about the only person in America who could lose to Bush.
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The Democrats used that same whine-line after Gore.

Although Kerry is a laughable disaster, it is the Democrats who determined that an absurd-lying-traitorous-nutjob like Kerry was the guy who should lead this country during these times...they determined that the neoKohn is the best Democrat out there. This says everything you need to know about the 'rats.

keesvanloomacklin

Yep. Fark you, DNC.

Charm School Valedictorian

Re: "absurd-lying-traitorous-nutjob"

Would that happen to be the Ann Coulter School of Charm that you are Valedictorian of?

Um, so the issue is...?

So he was opposed to Vietnam. GOOD! He's got my vote.

LORD!
Please help the Republicans this election year.

This is the BEST dirt you guys can up with???

He threw a farkin ribbon!!!


CMON!!!!! try harder you right wing sheep!


It's shiat like this that makes politicians and their attack dogs look really stupid.

LoafDealer

Um, so the issue is...?

So he was opposed to Vietnam. GOOD! He's got my vote.

Mine too. Funny how the more things change the more they stay the same. Kerry did the right thing by opposing the Vietnam war. Protests are one of the reasons that war was mercifully brought to an end. The negative publicity became a poison pill and it ruined a couple of administrations.

I am sure Republicans would like to revise history on this and make it seem like Vietnam was somehow actually a just cause and even rather popular, but it wasn't. It was the exact opposite. And you same Republicans in here pushing such revisionist nonsense are the same ones who wouldn't have fought in either Iraq, Vietnam, or any war in between if you could help it.

And for the right wing vets who feel slighted by Kerry's actions back in the early 70's- I'm sorry. But what Kerry did was still the right thing for this country. You are in the minority on that issue. You may see this as denigrating your service but the point is that Kerry served too and had just as much at stake as any Vietnam vet did. For anyone to say otherwise is a flat out partisan lie. You don't agree? Fine. But Kerry earned his medals no matter what line of baloney you try and pass off. It's not going to work.

This comment makes absolutely no sense to me:

2004-04-27 11:16:43 AM Rodeodoc

And people laugh at Bush because he gets his tang toungled? Kerry is a farking illiterate!

This is like me saying my problem with G.W.Bush is that he's Chinese.

Could we keep the partisan insults at least vaguely connected with the world we actually live in?

no, captain_campbell. I'm going to be one happy lib when your icon is booted on the streets and more and more in revealed about how big of a piece of shiot he really is.

WOW! Look at all the food candidates! The bulk of which seems to be:

Moo moo KERRY LIED moo moo moo!

Cattle Prattle Translation:

We should roast Kerry because he lied!

NEWS FLASH! Show me a politician that HASN'T lied in order to get office and I'll show you a working trans-lightspeed spaceship engine! The whole "this politician LIED, so he can't be trusted" argument is a big, steamy pile of shiat. I dare you, DARE YOU ALL, to find just ONE politician from the inception of this country that was TOTALLY honest ALL OF THE TIME!

To me, the lying is a lot less important & interesting than what the guy does once he's caught lying. Read the transcript again, word for word. He has such a condescending "Who ya gonna believe, Charlie, me or your lyin' eyes?" attitude. When all else fails, he starts changing the subject.

If that's how Senator Kerry weasels out of things when you have him dead-to-rights, what's President Kerry going to do when he's lying about classified information, that you AND the reporters aren't even privileged to know?

You people who say "Anybody But Bush" because Bush "lied" about an "imminent threat" he didn't even claim was there... want to replace him with a guy who lies about things when the evidence he's lying, is RIGHT in front of you...and he KNOWS it. I fail to see the improvement.

But enough of this serious stuff. I'm going to go look at some boobies.