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2004-04-18 02:49:31 AM  
This is the most entertaining thread I've lurked in, in quite some time... glad to see so many hockey fans on Fark.

Enjoy it while it lasts... I'd bet my right kidney on the lack of NHL hockey next year.

/and GO HABS GO
/probably only Habs fan in NM
 
2004-04-18 02:50:04 AM  
peter_hook,

You may be on to something with the Canucks/Raiders comparison. After all, both teams' fans tore up their city when their respective teams lost in the Stanley Cup Final/Super Bowl. I'd hate to see what they'd do to Robson Street if they went nuts. They'd better not do any damage to the Lush soap store. My wife would be pissed.
 
2004-04-18 02:50:59 AM  
DeadKitten


we'll still have the WHA's return, and then there's Junior hockey, and the local team in my town is really good (Junior A) and is expected to win the AJHL championship crown this year
 
2004-04-18 02:51:43 AM  
peter_hook: Leafs fans are anything BUT winners. Utter futility for 37 years. They are the Duke of hockey. The Leafs suck.
 
2004-04-18 02:51:48 AM  
I'd hate to see what they'd do to Robson Street if they went nuts.

1994, man... 1994.

I think some damage did take place on Robson. Didn't someone die when a telephone pole got knocked over onto him, or something?

Whoa, I really can't remember.
 
2004-04-18 02:52:06 AM  
You root for Boston, because rooting for Montreal as a Canadian is embarassing you because Quebecois don't think they are Canadians.

I actually have no idea what that's supposed to mean
 
2004-04-18 02:53:45 AM  
bobbette: CASCADIA FOR LIFE!
 
2004-04-18 02:53:47 AM  
Well, he fought Cooke. That hardly counts. Cooke isn't a fighter, and Moore knows that. Bertuzzi was picking a fight with him all night, and Moore refused to turn and face him. The time where Bertuzzi hit him wasn't the first time that Moore had skated away from a challenge from Bertuzzi. I suppose he knew he'd get his ass kicked, but that's what had to happen. I don't think the Canuck players (or their fans, for that matter) would have accepted anything less than a complete ass-whipping.

I don't disagree with the suspension, but I do think it was too long. Just a few weeks after this incident, another player did the same thing. I don't know the player names, but I think I'm going to look it up. Same type of incident, but no neck injury (which was just a chipped vertebrae, not a broken neck). A 3 game suspension or something in that case. It just feels like the Bertuzzi thing was about setting an example, which is what I didn't like about Bettmann's reaction.
 
2004-04-18 02:53:58 AM  
This is quite the awesome thread, but alas I am going to bed. g'night all.
 
2004-04-18 02:55:06 AM  
Think of it this way: No one's ever going to mess with Naslund again.
 
2004-04-18 02:55:51 AM  
bobbette,

I think the dude didn't die, but he got severely injured when he fell off the top of the stoplight fixture he had mounted himself on. Broke both his legs or something. I'd hate to see what he would have done if the Canucks had actually won.
 
2004-04-18 02:56:13 AM  
Haha it's awesome seeing Bruins fans trying to make up for the fact that their team has played almost the entire series completely half-assed. Whether or not the Canadiens are divers makes no difference to the fact that your team is crumbling like a house of cards on a three-legged table (or something to that effect).
 
2004-04-18 02:56:39 AM  
being a Lightning fan, I remember the 2nd incident. It was against the Hurricanes, and I actually can't remember what Hurricane player it was, but he threw his stick right at Tim Taylor's head. I thought that should have been long, but Bettman was trying to avoid even more bad press.

While I think trying to make an example out of Bertuzzi would be bad, it had to be done due to the HUGE amount of bad media that was going on here in the states. I think regular season and playoffs are long enough. and he has to apply for re-instatement next season, right?

Either way, like I just said, I'm off to sleep. g'night all.
 
2004-04-18 02:58:23 AM  
CanadianCommie: I hope the WHA can successfully return... and yes, junior hockey goes on, that's another fun Cup to follow, and maybe the NHLPA will "treat us" to another 4-on-4 tournament!! (ugggh... remember that? only a handful of players took it seriously)

But a good and exciting NHL post-season will be hard to replace... I can't see the fans of WHA teams reach quite the level of passion that you saw tonight in Calgary and Montreal.

But I question if the NHL can even stay on as a going concern... I can't see a REAL solution being agreed upon QUICKLY. The situation is beyond farked-up
 
2004-04-18 02:59:10 AM  
rhiannon

Sounds like he's still upset that Quebec tried to secede 9 years ago.
 
2004-04-18 02:59:29 AM  
Haha it's awesome seeing Bruins fans trying to make up for the fact that their team has played almost the entire series completely half-assed.

Being a long time Bruins fan, I can honestly say.....I don't entirely disagree with you. But I, personally, am not trying to make up for anything.
 
2004-04-18 03:02:21 AM  
bobbette

peter_hook Get over it. Your "Oh, people in Quebec wanted to separate, I'm going to stay hurt for a decade" is almost as bad as their freaking "Je me souviens" license plates.

I dunno...I'm not really "under it" so I can't be "over it" as it were. I do like the "Je me souviens" licence plates though.

And, in any case, half of those who voted in Quebec didn't want to separate, and about half of those who voted Yes have consequently changed their minds/are ambivalent.

Actually, there was a record amount of citizenships granted before the referendum...people who would not vote for separation. Beyond that, those people who have changed their mind...well, according to the CBC it's 75% for it since the whole sponsorship scandal. Considering the federal government was cheating in a referendum to give Quebec it's freedom, the Quebecois know they were duped. So that statement might have been true when Bloc was defeated by the Liberals there, but you're looking at a Stephen Harper gov't now because Quebec will do everything to undermine Ottawa they can now.

if we want to stop separatism, we have to stop being dicks to each other.

No, that's not true. The only people who truly understand the issue are people who care about leaving. And that's why they get so pissed when they hear anglos talking about fixing it. Quebec doesn't care about how they are treated, they care about self-determination. Their goals, values and ideals are not the same as the rest of anglo Canada.

As for the "Quebecois don't think they're Canadians" bit, I suggest you go and chill out West sometime.

I'm chilling out there right now. And on the few occasions when this topic has surfaced, it makes me cringe...Westerners know as much about that issue as Quebecois know about BC's logging issues.

I'd say a fairly large percentage are just as pissed off as the Quebecers at the state of Confederation, but we still think of ourselves as Canadians.

But Quebec wants to be their own special little fleur. Canada is a loose confederation, no doubt about it, and "western alienation" is not a myth, just as Quebec soverignty isn't a myth either. The difference is that you want to fix Canada, Quebec wants to be left alone.

You can whine about Confederation and still be a Canadian. In fact, I'd suggest that that's one of the freaking definitions of being Canadian.

But the opposite, saying Quebecois are Canadian. My gf still says she's Quebecois, she's never said she's Canadian. It's like calling her name out, but saying someone else's. She doesn't even respond. It's hard to understand if you haven't seen it, but Quebec feels so little connection with Canada, they don't associate themselves with it. That's why it's funny to call them Canadians, because the only ones who agree are few anglos on the West Island.
 
2004-04-18 03:02:38 AM  
Sounds like he's still upset that Quebec tried to secede 9 years ago.

Could be. But I can tell you Quebec is presently so far from separatist attitude they can't even see it with a magnified rear view mirror. Whatever that means.
 
2004-04-18 03:04:09 AM  
fark THE CANUCKS, fark MORRISON

CALGARY GAME 7. if not, i crack the first canuck fan's skull that i see.
 
2004-04-18 03:04:44 AM  
2004-04-18 02:48:39 AM bobbette
As for the "Quebecois don't think they're Canadians" bit, I suggest you go and chill out West sometime. I'd say a fairly large percentage are just as pissed off as the Quebecers at the state of Confederation, but we still think of ourselves as Canadians.

Hey, something weird's gotta be in the Albertan water if they vote for swine like Kline. It's not like Charest is an angel (coughdemergerscough), but come on :P
 
2004-04-18 03:04:46 AM  
Yeah, the women up here are beautiful. But I hate hackey. Anyone know who won the Knicks-Nets game?
 
2004-04-18 03:04:50 AM  
Talk about a wasted comeback for Calgary. It was so beautiful too. And that was NOT highsticking -- the announcers were morons. They were pointing out the stick before it even made contact with the puck. Even if the stick had been a little higher than the crossbar it was only by millimetres. That is way too hard for a ref to call and thus Calgary got the benefit of the doubt.

It was a great game, hopefully Calgary will win Game 7.
 
2004-04-18 03:04:53 AM  
DeadKitten

I see at least 4 of the Canadian teams making the move to the WHA, or at least the players to a "new" team in those cities.

I also envision a 16 team league....

8 Canadian teams, 8 U.S. teams

Canada:

Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Toronto
Ottawa
Quebec City
Montreal

U.S.:

Detriot
Boston
Minnesota
Colorado
New York
Philidelphia
New Jersey
Buffalo

that way, there will be lots of representation in good markets, and the talent pool would not be stretched too thinly
 
2004-04-18 03:06:05 AM  
renko:
As a hockey fan, your take on the Moore incident makes me sick. Bertuzzi's a dumb prick that only cares about himself. Ask around nearly everyone in teh NHL would have said the same thing before the incident, he just reinforced that opinion with his actions.
 
2004-04-18 03:06:26 AM  
Count_Crackula If the Canucks actually won a Stanley Cup I believe the combined kinetic energy of the hundreds of thousands of rioters would lure the sleeping Big One out of the faultlines. This Ultimate Big One, or UBO, would cause the entire Lower Mainland to sink into the Pacific Ocean as tectonic plates everywhere went haywire. When the smoke cleared virtually all of North America along the Pacific Rim would be destroyed, as well as Japan, Hong Kong, and Hawaii from the massive tidal waves that would ensue. The loss of most of the world's technical expertise - Microsoft would be gone, as well as Silicon Valley - would lead to the world looking to India, the only people with any expertise left, to rise from the ashes and continue the progress of the digital age. Understandably, America's economy would collapse, and everyone would blame Osama bin Laden for funding Sopel's Hair of Mass Destruction and causing the whole situation in the first place. And in the end, Toronto would still, undisputably, suck.

I hope this answers your question.
 
2004-04-18 03:09:22 AM  
fark VANCOUVER
 
2004-04-18 03:12:30 AM  
Separatism is not an issue with the majority of Quebecers at this point in time. It is not an issue except for a select few. I'm sorry if people try to take their hatred for Quebecers in the form of spreading disinformation.
 
2004-04-18 03:12:39 AM  
Hey, something weird's gotta be in the Albertan water if they vote for swine like Kline. It's not like Charest is an angel (coughdemergerscough), but come on :P

Kline says what's on his mind. I'm sorry, but even though the things that King Ralph does/says might not be politically correct, Albertans are secretly nodding their heads in agreeance. Why do you think he keeps getting voted back into Office? At the same time, I see a large Liberal movement in Alberta. That's the last thing we need. Liberal representation in the West -- that is NOT the solution to Western Alienation.

The difference between the West and the Quebec situation is that there is no historical background of the West getting the raw end of the deal. However, the West should complain even more as at least Quebec gets these pockets full of compensation. It's not like the Quebec situation mirrors Tibet or anything. The Bloc are just a bunch of backwards-minded idiots.

This is first hand knowledge.
 
2004-04-18 03:13:19 AM  
Count_Crackula

I'd hate to see what they'd do to Robson Street if they went nuts. They'd better not do any damage to the Lush soap store. My wife would be pissed.

Just dig up some old newspapers after the Rangers beat 'em. I had just been to Vancouver for the 1st time a few weeks before, and then I saw the carnage on TV and was shocked. Van didn't strike me as that kind of place. It's like we've got this wierd, underlying neurotic streak that comes out every so often.

Ishkur

peter_hook: Leafs fans are anything BUT winners. Utter futility for 37 years. They are the Duke of hockey. The Leafs suck.

Well, their attitude and words, not mine. That's the schtick they keep pushing. You know, you've been to a Nux game when they're in town. But they have won before, and Van has never won. And Van is more of a playoff choke than the Leafs have been of late.

bobbette

I think some damage did take place on Robson. Didn't someone die when a telephone pole got knocked over onto him, or something?

Whoa, I really can't remember.


Just about every window was broken. Everything I know and think of about Canadians, that just goes against it. I find it hard to reconcile in my mind, still to this day. It's just wrong.

rhiannon

Could be. But I can tell you Quebec is presently so far from separatist attitude they can't even see it with a magnified rear view mirror. Whatever that means.

Mais non...I suggest you tune in your local French broadcast, or read some of the Montreal/Quebec locals. Since the sponsorship scandal...holy crap that's wrong. In fact, your statement is good proof of what I'm saying about people not understanding Quebec. They feed you all news and information that are wrong or misleading.

As it stands now, Martin will have to postpone calling elections because Quebec will reject the Liberals for Bloc outright, and the Liberals won't have enough votes to secure Ottawa from Stephen Harper. They are pushing a desperate campaign in Quebec right now "A vote for Bloc is a vote for Stephen Harper, and he is the enemy of both of us. Forgive our cheating."

I love you rhiannon, but your statement is exactly why Quebecois say "Maudit Ontariens."
 
2004-04-18 03:14:26 AM  
bobbette,

Oddly enough, that mirrors my theory about what would happen if the Raiders won another Super Bowl. That, and it would somehow give the Sedin twins some sort of political power.
 
2004-04-18 03:14:34 AM  
CanadianCommie: I've been casually making the case (during bar conversations...) for the repatriation of the Canadian Hockey Challenge Cup for a while now, ever since Winnipeg and Que. City were forced (economically) to leave.

Ideal scenario, if NHL fails: New league starts with long-term viable economic plan, eventually integrates the original 6 teams and the other more succesful ones (I agree with all of your picks except for New Jersey), takes Stanley Cup off NHL's hands.

Still, it looks like a few years of "rebuilding" for hockey in North America... can't be good.
 
2004-04-18 03:17:48 AM  
peter_hook: Listen, sexy, my comment does not come from media, news. tv, radio, Fark.com. It comes from living in Quebec the past 8 years.
 
2004-04-18 03:20:21 AM  
ugh, folks, I wish I could stay and chat some more, but I must run away to the hills.

I'll be at the WWE ppv in Edmonton tomorrow with a buddy of mine. apparently he has most awesome seats.
/is out
 
2004-04-18 03:20:30 AM  
rhiannon

Separatism is not an issue with the majority of Quebecers at this point in time. It is not an issue except for a select few. I'm sorry if people try to take their hatred for Quebecers in the form of spreading disinformation.

Sponsorship Scandal. You need to remember 1 thing: Parti Quebec, aka BLOC QUEBEC is an offshoot of the Liberals based upon the idea of Quebec soverignty. I have been in Quebec for the last two elections, there is no shame of their politicans in admitting they are, have been, and ALWAYS WILL BE committed separatists.

That is the "raison d'etre" of the PQ. Remember that. People who vote for them could simply vote Liberal. Same exact platform. But they won't. They were duped, they would have won the referendum, and now they will never trust the Liberals again. DO NOT DELUDE YOURSELF. THE PQ IS ABOUT AN INDEPENDENT QUEBEC.
 
2004-04-18 03:22:36 AM  
To sum it up: you're making it an issue as a westerner, we're not. I'm not saying this may not become an issue in the future, but you're blowing it out of proportion for whatever means I'm unable to determine.
 
2004-04-18 03:25:14 AM  
Problems with Seperatism:

Quebec will just rape the benefits of Canada and still expect us to respect them. If Quebec seperates, they should owe Canada so much farking money its astronomical. They will expect our borders to be much lighter than with those of the USA and than block us out from the St. Lawrence. Quebecans will also wish to reap the benefits of the beautiful Canadian Passport (which is worth thousands of dollars in the black market). If Quebec wants to seperate, they need to get their own passport and let themselves build their reputation. I'm not raiding on Quebec at all, just the farking Bloc. They see bilingualism as everyone speaking French but themselves not having to learn English. The Bloc always calls Quebec a bilingual province -- its not. New Brunswick is a bilingual nation. Quebec is a french speaking province.

Bloc MP Louis Plamondon answering a question said, "If I was Canadian..." without even thinking. He already assumes that he's not Canadian but fighting from the inside out. It's ridiculous. People from Montreal were going nuts over the guy. They hated him for doing that. Why does the gap between Quebec and the rest of Canada exist? The Bloc makes a comment like that and the rest of Canada generalizes and assaults the Quebecans as a whole. The Quebecans take offense and assault back. It's just a gaping hole between the two cultures.
 
2004-04-18 03:25:30 AM  
The Bloc are just a bunch of backwards-minded idiots.
And so are their voters. To vote for a party that cannot possibly get to power, and cannot get ANYTHING accomplished in the House of Commons (besides biatching and whining?), is politically retarded. It makes even less sense than voting for Nader in this country.

Same thing if you vote for the Lega Dei Ticinesi (Switzerland) or Lega Norde (Italy)... (just to see if I can internationalize this argument!)

nah, this is a hockey thread, so I'm all done
 
2004-04-18 03:26:34 AM  
notsilentbob If you weren't a hockey fan, would you react any differently? What's this "as a hockey fan" bit? You dont' get it, and neither do the whiners who complain about the attack on Moore. It's called payback. That is how hockey works. If players were allowed to take runs at star players with no worries about getting smoked after the fact, hockey would fall apart even worse than it already is. Bertuzzi didn't do it for himself. He did it because Moore made tried to take out Naslund, who is Bertuzzi's friend. I saw that hit on Naslund, and I call bullshiat on anyone who says it wasn't dirty.
 
2004-04-18 03:28:00 AM  
Parti Quebec, aka BLOC QUEBEC

Very different.

People who vote for them could simply vote Liberal. Same exact platform.

Oh give me a break. It is NOT the exact same platform. If you look at voting patterns between Liberal and Bloc and watch Question Period -- the platforms are obviously different. Now there's left... and than there's LEFT. Just because they both lean on the same side doesn't mean that the Liberals following the Bloc by leaning so hard they fall right over. Not that the Liberals are any better...
 
2004-04-18 03:36:25 AM  
- If the BQ ran BC candidates who had a fervor of protecting BC interests in the same way their current candidates protect Quebec interests, but who maintained their party's generally pro-business but liberal social outlook....

well let's just say i'd be holding my nose a lot less when i vote this fall.

- Morrison rocks. Even Iginla has doubts about Calgary's ability to win a game 7 in Vancouver (see comments to press today pre-game). Monday night can't come fast enough. Yay home team! W00T!

G'night Canucks fans, and hockey fans everywhere. HNIC has been excellent tonight. I am sure you enjoyed it all as much as I did.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2004-04-18 03:38:52 AM  
See you on Monday.

Oh yeah, Habs suck.
 
2004-04-18 03:46:36 AM  
Revolution

Quebec will just rape the benefits of Canada and still expect us to respect them. If Quebec seperates, they should owe Canada so much farking money its astronomical. They will expect our borders to be much lighter than with those of the USA and than block us out from the St. Lawrence. Quebecans will also wish to reap the benefits of the beautiful Canadian Passport (which is worth thousands of dollars in the black market). If Quebec wants to seperate, they need to get their own passport and let themselves build their reputation. I'm not raiding on Quebec at all, just the farking Bloc. They see bilingualism as everyone speaking French but themselves not having to learn English. The Bloc always calls Quebec a bilingual province -- its not. New Brunswick is a bilingual nation. Quebec is a french speaking province.

Amen.
 
2004-04-18 04:00:58 AM  
Sheit, Ontario should build settlements in Quebec like the Isrealis or British do in the West Bank and Northern Ireland to solve this problem. That usually resolves nationalistic disputes.

/mho
 
2004-04-18 04:03:18 AM  
I don't see why so many Quebecers are flipping out at Martin. Maybe I'm being deliberately naive, but I don't see the sponsorship scandal being a 'paul martin' thing. The Parti Quebecois pulled crap way worse on the night of the referendum.

And another thing that's bugging me is seeing all the parties screaming at Martin not to call an election. You'd think that the more time they give Martin, the more he'll be able to distance himself from the whole mess.

Oh yeah, the Leafs still blow.
 
2004-04-18 04:06:58 AM  
How did this get into a threadjack about Canadian separatist politics? Shut the hell up, smelly easterners.

Let's remind us ourselves once again what this thread is about:

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2004-04-18 04:10:47 AM  
Revolution

You speak of money as if quebecers dont pay their fair share of taxes to the federal (why would they owe anything) and the "beautiful" passport (wtf, this thing gives you a hard on or what) as if they didnt faily participated in the building of that reputation themselves. Get over yourself.
 
2004-04-18 04:12:40 AM  
"They see bilingualism as everyone speaking French but themselves not having to learn English. The Bloc always calls Quebec a bilingual province -- its not. New Brunswick is a bilingual nation. Quebec is a french speaking province."

In 2001, 40.8% of Quebecers were bilingual, compared to 34.2% in New Brunswick. Correct me if I'm wrong, the numbers may have changed in 3 years. Probably not that much. There's obviously a select few who would like Quebec to be unilingual, and I won't bother bringing up the language laws. I'm simply saying that posts like that are intentionally misleading, though I know what you were saying.

And the day New Brunswick becomes a nation, will be the day Ribeiro replaces his panties with a jockstrap.
 
2004-04-18 04:13:29 AM  
2004-04-18 04:06:58 AM Ishkur
Let's remind us ourselves once again what this thread is about

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Montreal Canadiens force Boston Bruins to Game 7?
 
2004-04-18 04:27:06 AM  
The Dark One: well, yes, I know, but considering that game ended 7 hours ago, the canucks game went into triple overtime and Fark greenlights, on average, about THREE hockey threads a year (compared to 23 a day for college basketball), we try to get in all the hockey talk we can.
 
2004-04-18 04:29:12 AM  
Ok, but I'll only put up with it if you put in some Kovalev bashing while you're talking about OTs...
 
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