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2004-04-18 12:57:03 AM
Ok, you move to someone else's country, you're getting a free education(ok it's in a public school-but many can be good), and you're getting all kinds of free shiat from taxpayers. But noooo, that's not good enough, other people need to learn spanish, instructions and signs need to be in spanish. What a load of crap. I knew a guy in the army who was stationed in panama and he was fluent in Spanish in 6 months, he wasn't very bright either. I totally support having separate classes or schools with bilingual, but just to teach mexican kids english, and if they can't do it in 2 years then tell the parents they have to go back to Mexico because the family is obviously too lazy and disrespectful to learn the language of the country that is giving them so much.
 
2004-04-18 12:59:11 AM
Mexican-American
by Cheech And Chong



Mexican Americans don't like to just get into gang fights,
they like flowers and music and white girls named Debbie too.

Mexican Americans are named Chata and Chella and chemma
and have a son in law named jeff.

Mexican Americans don't like to get up early in the morning
but they have to so they do it real slow.

Mexican Americans love education so they go to night school
and take spanish and get a B.

Mexican Americans love their Nana's and their Nono's and their
Nina's and their Nino's........ Nano Nano Nina Nono!

Mexican Americans don't like to go to the movies where the
dude has to wear contact lenses to make his blue eyes brown
cause don't it make my brown eyes blue.....

"And thats all i got, how do ya like it?"
 
2004-04-18 01:04:21 AM
This fella I know wrote this little poem in Spanish and I thought it was purty. (Just pretend Fark can display accented characters.)

No se si fue un sue~no,
pero hoy
a eso de las dos y treinta de la madrugada
conoci' el cielo.

/bedtime
 
2004-04-18 01:05:33 AM
"This just helps maintain the ability to maintain both languages."

Someone please get this person a thesaurus.
 
2004-04-18 01:06:32 AM
"Mi asno querra un enano y un yate, por favor."
 
2004-04-18 01:09:16 AM
Can you spell: "E-S-C-A-N-D-U-L-O" ?
 
2004-04-18 01:11:39 AM
During the middle ages, in Europe, speaking a second language was a taken as a sign of intelligence.

/think about it...
 
2004-04-18 01:14:05 AM
During the middle ages, in Europe, speaking a second language was taken as a sign of intelligence.

/think about it...and next time I'll proofread
 
2004-04-18 01:15:15 AM

"English, muthafuka--DO YOU SPEAK IT?!"
 
2004-04-18 01:16:37 AM
But school board member Carlos Avelar is firing back: "This just helps maintain the ability to maintain both languages. My belief and my hope is that we will continue this tradition."

Maybe if he maintained his ability not to use the word "maintain" to maintain a redundant point about maintaining launguages, he might maintain my attention.
 
2004-04-18 01:16:49 AM
now with 50% less chorizo !!
 
2004-04-18 01:25:00 AM
I bought some chorizo once. It looked sorta like sausage, so I figured I could fry it up in a pan. Well, when I tried getting it out of the packing, it was like this... I dunno, like meat paste, and I couldn't get it into any kinda shape to cook it in. But, I cooked it anyways, and it got all grimy and stuff, and I tasted it when I thought it was done, but it didn't taste very good. I ended up throwing it out.
 
2004-04-18 01:25:25 AM
Wouldn't want kids learning anything extra
 
2004-04-18 01:26:46 AM
W-w-w-what??
 
2004-04-18 01:27:35 AM
I'd like to think the children of Arizona should be able to be proficient in both English and Spanish. Too bad the voters don't.
 
2004-04-18 01:36:36 AM
"Err...Mi amo es Brian."
"That was pretty good! You don't need the "es," though. Just 'mi amo Brian.'"
"You speak English!"
"No, just that one speech, and this speech explaining it."
"Oh, I see, you're joking."
"Que?"
 
2004-04-18 01:39:19 AM
SouthernFriedYankee - LMAO
 
2004-04-18 01:43:05 AM
Wow I didn't even realize there was still a state with the balls for English-required school system. Good for them.
 
2004-04-18 01:44:36 AM
Just 'mi amo Brian.

Me llamo, not mi amo.
 
2004-04-18 01:46:24 AM
Tomorrow morning, Sunday is the big swap meet here in my town in central California. Hundreds of Mexican families with strollers and kids in tow, bargaining for second-hand clothes out of a pile, with the mostly Anglo part-time sellers easily able to work up prices and basic info in Spanish, where they don't even seem to have the numbers in English here in America. (And eating menudo from a stand at 7 a.m.? Okay, I admit, I tried it.)

Mostly I feel sorry for the women, who seem mostly destined to reproduce and stay at home, never getting the chance to pick up the language (I'm guessing this includes literacy in Spanish as well) or do anything more than be breeders and shoppers for thrift-store garments and whatever they can get.
 
2004-04-18 01:46:53 AM
If the US is to have an official language, it really should be Spanish. Spanish was spoken widely across what is now the US- and even understood by many of its "native" peoples- for at least a century before English-speaking colonists even arrived.

In my own neighborhood, a variant of English is spoken in which conjugation of many verbs is disregarded, all ending consonents are eliminated as well as the entire last syllable in many cases, and in which many "English" words have an entirely different meaning than what you'd find in a dictionary. After five years of exposure to it, I can understand about 60% of the spoken language.

If we can get all Americans even speaking English, we'll be making progress.

/geez what set off THAT rant
 
2004-04-18 01:51:52 AM
Hablo espanol, y eres un conyo
 
2004-04-18 01:52:40 AM
2004-04-18 01:43:05 AM MrZoner
"Wow I didn't even realize there was still a state with the balls for English-required school system. Good for them."

That's crap.

Every school teaches English. In Arizona they throw nationalistic jingo into law to make xenophobic conservatives feel safe from the unwashed hordes.

I know many Mexicans in L.A., most first generation (take that as illegal if you like, there's a mix) and every single one of them wants their kids to learn English. It's their priority.

This whole issue pisses me off.

I just bought a new house and within two days of moving in I had three different guys come to try and get the job of maintaining my lawn.

One of them didn't speak English and his little boy, maybe eight, came to the door to talk to me. Polite, well spoken and charming. The dad was proud of him.

All they farking want to do is goddamn work and you rednecks begrudge them that. Fark you.

And anyone who's not a nztive American - shut the fark up about immigration, ok?
 
2004-04-18 01:54:58 AM
"Mexican-American
by Cheech And Chong"

That's good man, but while you were singing that one I wrote another, you wanna hear it? OK here goes....Beaners!!! Beaners!!! (phone rings)
 
2004-04-18 01:59:21 AM
sunlion
If the US is to have an official language, it really should be Spanish. Spanish was spoken widely across what is now the US- and even understood by many of its "native" peoples- for at least a century before English-speaking colonists even arrived.


What an asinine idea. Spanish was "widely" spoken (by the few thousands of Mexican rancho owners, priests and settlers, and whatever "native peoples" they corralled into the mission labor camps and such) just long enough to get some places named. Penniless then, penniless now. Spain dropped out in the 18th or early 19th century, and Mexico was barely a presence in the present USA.

I'm all for multi-lingualism (I can do Spanish, Portuguese, German, Czech), but you have to go with the dominant language, which, as evidenced by everything you have read today on Fark and elsewhere, is English.
 
2004-04-18 02:01:36 AM
ducharse
Hablo espanol, y eres un conyo


Hablas, pero no escribes bien.

/No hablo, no escribo.
 
2004-04-18 02:12:50 AM
Every English-speaking student in the US should learn a Latin-based language like Spanish (or Latin itself) and a germanic-based language like German (or Norwegian) for two reasons:

1. To decrease ignorance and gain some freaking world perspective.
2. To increase understanding of the English language, which is a mix of Latin and germanic.

After studying Spanish for five years in grade school, my abilities in English class shot through the roof because I had a better idea of how and why sentence structure is what it is. In my 20s, after listening to Rammstein and making an effort to understand it, as well as picking up a Michel Thomas "Learn German" CD, my writing abilities in the English language got even better and my ability to comprehend long, complicated contracts with shiatloads of twisty language improved greatly.
 
2004-04-18 02:14:21 AM
Texa$:
y Fuzzybeard "FARK" no le accepten los accentos


actually it does :)



if that doesn't work i'm going to look like an arse :)
 
2004-04-18 02:16:42 AM


i'm sure i did that last week here and it worked...

note to self... preview first
 
2004-04-18 02:17:33 AM
o well, some work :)
 
2004-04-18 02:23:27 AM
Every English-speaking student in the US should learn a Latin-based language like Spanish (or Latin itself) and a germanic-based language like German (or Norwegian) for two reasons:

1. To decrease ignorance and gain some freaking world perspective.
2. To increase understanding of the English language, which is a mix of Latin and germanic.


not to mention the fun reason...knowing any of the romance languages and any of the pure germanic languages will allow you to decently translate most anything you read in any of the other romance and germanic languages. you might miss a tense or a direct object or 2...but you'll get the main idea...and you'll look smart doing it.
 
2004-04-18 02:23:39 AM
Hey nodog, shut the fark up.

Ok?

Christ.
 
2004-04-18 02:26:30 AM
I think education should be taught in the same language as the Constitution. I couldn't give a shiat what country people are from. There might be a culture or something going on here. Hey even the Brits and Canucks can't spell or speak in the dominant dialect of American English. Used to be people that came to this country wanted to integrate while still maintaining their cultural heritage. But now certain groups want to come here and make it like "their" country. I read a recent story about Mexicans wanting to have a Mexican form of government in these border towns. Using the same weak plea of "distinct culture" that those frogs in Quebec. Well if you want to live in a Mexican type state I know where you can find one. Just take a walk across that bridge. Just a little piece of advice about the supposed friend of the Latinos Dubya Bush. He is a Judas and can smile while slicing your throat. I welcome any person regardless of where they are from with one qualifier. Don't try to change the USA into where you came from. get ready to have your drivers license photos without veils and your final exams in English. By the way it is spelled "color" not "colour".


/casts dragline with heavy test and treble hooks.
 
2004-04-18 02:30:07 AM
And to think some parents pay extra to get their rug rats tutored in another language. Isn't it better to learn a foreign language younger anyhow? If they actually taught a second language in elementary school, then the kids wouldn't have the "Mi yyyamo es Dave" problem from learning it half assed in highschool.

The AZ legislature is full of xenophobic ass goblins(o chupacabrones!).


Q: What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
A: Trilingual.
Q: What do you call some one who speaks 2 languages?
A: Bilingual.
Q: What do you call someone who speaks 1 language?
A: American.

/I just had to.
 
2004-04-18 02:33:08 AM
Making English the official language is like making White the official color.
 
2004-04-18 02:36:35 AM
Q: What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?
A: Trilingual.
Q: What do you call some one who speaks 2 languages?
A: Bilingual.
Q: What do you call someone who speaks 1 language?
A: American.


You've obviously never been to any of the burrito joints around here, where half the Americans try out their Spanish to Mexicans who can't speak English.

Knowing other languages is mostly a matter of how small your country is (e.g., how close the borders are) and how important it is to speak a second language (and how well the schools operate). The Germans can mostly speak English, sometimes French, but don't give a damn about any Slavic language on their eastern border. Language learning works in an upward arc -- you learn the one that will improve your lot. Learning Spanish would pick up if there was anything to be gained by doing so. Nonetheless, a lot of non-hispanic Americans speak it.
 
2004-04-18 02:37:55 AM
Voramyr -

If you have a problem, man, use your words. Sound it out.

We're here for you.
 
2004-04-18 02:38:42 AM
Hey man! I live in Florida and 3/4 of Cuba lives south of me in Miami. It pi$$ed me off when I found out that to do business there, you had to be bilingual, and then the Cuban born mayor wanted to start changing street signs into Spanish. As it is, some years back, the government made it a law to have to post signs in America in English and Spanish. The instructions to set up my computer speakers came in English, Spanish, French and German! When I bought my computer, 3/4 of the book was French and Spanish!

Hey! You live in the USA, you speak English or get the hell out! It cheesed me off when some schools started being required to have the students learn both English and Spanish and other school started having classes taught in Spanish.

You got to Miami today and it's like going to 'Kuba.' In their schools, Spanish is a required class.

We ought to just invade Cuba, wipe out the Castro rule, put in a democratic el Presidente and let all of the Cubans go home and mess up their own nation. (They'd have a thriving trade in 1950s cars and car parts as most of their vehicles are from that era and they've become expert at making replacement parts to keep them running.) JFK made a deal with Castro that we'd not invade and every President since then has honored it, for some reason.

In the mean time, South Florida is turning into nothing but Cubans and Homosexuals. Now we're getting large influxes of Mexicans! Not to mention Jamaicans and Haitians.

Will the last American out of Miami please bring the flag?
 
2004-04-18 02:39:31 AM
nodog--

The 'native Americans' are also immigrants, asshat. I'm a firm believer in the 'Asian land-bridge' theory; take a look at all the phenotypical similarities between your 'native Americans' and Asians, especially Asians from China and Japan. Sushi restaurants are popping up all over New Mexico; they're hiring Native Americans and teaching them to become sushi chefs because they look so much alike. So EVERYONE in America is an immigrant in one way or another. I was born here, I'm native. Piss off.
 
2004-04-18 02:40:21 AM
you know your english is going when your first thought it: Spanish Spelling Bee..... I've never heard of that type of bee

/lives in china
 
2004-04-18 02:44:57 AM
2004-04-18 02:39:31 AM MindTrip -

Ok.. so that's the standard? So all the children born here are American? You're good with that?

Nice that you're a fan of the theory, got no problem with that. But they are a hell of a lot more native than you.
 
2004-04-18 02:53:54 AM
2004-04-18 02:36:35 AM Halfmast Trousers



You've obviously never been to any of the burrito joints around here, where half the Americans try out their Spanish to Mexicans who can't speak English.


As a native Californian (San Diego, woo hoo!) I LOVE burrito joints, and day trip/camp in Baja on a fairly regular basis, and I think if you live in a border state, you should make an effort to learn your neighbor's language. It's polite, and helpful in business and travel. Baja California's absolutely crawling with English speakers, so why not reciprocate?

I remember when I was in elementary school, there were a lots of boat people from SE Asia, various countries. We had two Hmong girls in my class who didn't speak ANY English, and of course there wasn't a goddamn person in the school district who spoke Hmong. Needless to say, those two girls did nothing but math flash cards all year. I bet they're engineers now, or accountants.

And Rik01, don't be such a hater.
 
2004-04-18 02:55:59 AM
ummm

there were a lots of boat people from SE Asia


Sorry, that should be just "lots", not "a lots".

/Native English speaking tard.
 
2004-04-18 03:00:01 AM
it is just farked up that they are getting ralled up over a SPELLING BEE! i don't have a problem with a spanish spelling bee, at least it is more interesting than a five page english paper. i think that the parents should be more upset about the hours that their children are spending at school watching movies. now that is a waste of educational funds...
 
2004-04-18 03:02:39 AM
Rude Turnip, English, Latin, and German sprang from the same parent language Indo-European. It is a fallacy to call English "Germanic". Current theory believes there was one language in eastern Europe called Proto-Indo-European.Linguistic evidence points to the fact that this was the mother language of Sanskrit, Hindi, Persian, Pashto, Lithuanian, Latvian, Russian, Italian, all Celtic languages, Latin, French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, on the list goes on. The earliest written Indo-European language is Hittite dated around 17th century B.C.E. Samples from other early languages such as Sanskrit and Greek show that all Indo-European languages were strongly inflected and were conjugated. Inflection showing different endings for different grammatical purposes. Conjugation to have verb forms to show person, number, voice, mood, and tense. On another note it may be said that Latin had a stronger influence on English and German. Considering a Roman occupation of both geographic regions lasting around 500 years. Ah hell, I'm still trying to piece together Latin and Farsi. I would agree strongly with you that people should learn more foreign tongues. It's harder to keep the herd in check when they understand the "moo's" coming from the other side of the fence. FOOK CORPRATE GLOBALISTS!

/spirit not as willing and flesh is not what it used to be.
 
2004-04-18 03:27:04 AM
Rik01

The instructions to set up my computer speakers came in English, Spanish, French and German! When I bought my computer, 3/4 of the book was French and Spanish!


Yeah, almost as if those speakers and computers were sold in the US and Europe, and almost as if it saves manufacturing costs to give everyone the same manual. Funny how that works out.

On my own story of a good translation gone bad: I was in Spanish class, and I was given an easy sentence to translate in front of class -- "I am afraid of my spanish teacher". It was supposed to be "Tengo miedo de mi profesora de espaol". I said "Tengo mierda de mi profesora de espaol" by accident -- literally, "I have my spanish teacher's sh*t".

There was much laughing from everyone who knew that word.
 
2004-04-18 03:27:30 AM
The other day in Cultural Anthropology my professor said "All around the world, people speak multiple languages. So if you speak 3 languages what are you? Multi-lingual. If you speak 2 languages then you are Bi-lingual, and if you speak only one language, well then you are an American." If kids in Europe can speak 3-4 languages then when will these ignoramuses find a way to teach kids a few things about the rest of the world. Its not the Mexicans fault your child is too dumb to learn English.
 
2004-04-18 03:28:06 AM
Hmm, the ~n's got messed up.
 
2004-04-18 03:29:17 AM
Hey now...don't go knockin learning multiple languages...I took Russian in high school, and look how useful it's been!
 
2004-04-18 03:34:50 AM
ñ?
 
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