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2004-04-15 08:05:48 AM
ElCommunisto
You can't fight violence with more violence, but you can't reason with fanatics either.

True words. So hopefully when he is found, he will be attempting to shoot at Americans so we can kill him.

Once OBL is dead, he might be a martyr, but his money will not be going to terrorism, and that is the biggest reason he is followed - he can support the ops.
 
2004-04-15 08:06:52 AM
Frankly, I think (and hang on, I may just be wrong) that this 'truce' may just have been a cynical plot to drive a wedge between the US and Europe (UK)

I can see that. The wedge has already started with the war and everything, but yes, I believe that this will drive it further for sure. I just hope everybody remembers who the bad guys are when the dust settles.
 
2004-04-15 08:08:48 AM
Hey! We got him on the ropes! Hit him in the labanza! In the labanza!

This guy is a crafty devil and he's playing Bush like the pug he is. Bush's biggest worry is whether he gets to play chump for the next four years or not. My personal opinion is he would jump ship in a heartbeat if his handlers would let him.

The thing is that in war time, the voters in the US won't go against a sitting president. Especially when that's what the voters believe the evildoers want them to do just that.
Guess what George. You gave a nut with a couple of thousand followers the holy war he wanted and a potential army of hundreds of millions and counting.

Fool.
 
2004-04-15 08:09:26 AM
i say lets take bush and bin laden (those twins) in an arena and watch them fight to the death.
and kill the survivor then

the world would be safer without those 2 religious nuts


The world would be smarter without you.
 
2004-04-15 08:10:01 AM
GraphicAddiction

A lot of what we hear has spin or is rumor. Until I see proof that the boys of the US are purposely shooting babies, I will doubt any preliminary reports coming from the residents of F-aloha that claims this to be so.


Absolutely, there's spin and rumour on both sides. My point is that it dosen't matter whether they are targeting women and kids or not, that is what the Iraqis hear, and that is what they believe. In a modern war half the battle is propaganda. The side that puts a city under siege and goes in with overwhelming firepower has already lost the propaganda battle. Another excerpt to illustrate the point:

"What I'm trying to say is that we don't need news networks to make us angry or frustrated. All you need to do is talk to one of the Falloojeh refugees making their way tentatively into Baghdad; look at the tear-stained faces, the eyes glazed over with something like shock. In our neighborhood alone there are at least 4 families from Falloojeh who have come to stay with family and friends in Baghdad. The stories they tell are terrible and grim and it's hard to believe that they've gone through so much."
 
2004-04-15 08:11:06 AM
Guess what George. You gave a nut with a couple of thousand followers the holy war he wanted and a potential army of hundreds of millions and counting.

Did you bump your head or something?
 
2004-04-15 08:12:22 AM
"Bin Laden has offered to not kill people from Europe, and all he asks in return is that they stop killing muslims. Sounds pretty fair to me."

And if you believe anything Bin Laden says, you are Asshat of the Year.
 
hlx
2004-04-15 08:13:27 AM
Hazzah, Ireland's safe!!!
 
2004-04-15 08:15:07 AM
Ah, but the trick is that any promises he makes would only apply to his organization. There are dozens, if not hundreds of others. For instance, Al Qaeda hasn't been the one that's been giving France trouble over the headscarves thing.
 
2004-04-15 08:16:06 AM
What the liberal media isn't reporting, is at the end he slipped in a little "Go Kerry! W00t!"

Supposedly he wants Bush to win because Bush would provoke the conflict that bin Laden wants, while Kerry would lull the Muslim world to sleep.

On the other hand, it could be reverse psychology.
 
2004-04-15 08:17:00 AM
Since when does "Give in to all of my demands or die" constitute a truce anyway?

Did truce and ultimatum suddenly become the same thing when I wasn't paying attention? I mean, I've been playing a lot of FFXI lately, but I didn't think I was that far out of touch with reality.
 
2004-04-15 08:17:02 AM
JohnnyC

The sentiment of your post is quintessentially adolescent.
 
2004-04-15 08:17:14 AM
why is everybody calling this a truce instead of terms of surrender for europe?
 
2004-04-15 08:17:21 AM
Oh hey, a terrorist picture for this thread:

 
2004-04-15 08:17:52 AM
Only kids with empty sand pails say "I'll stop throwing sand at you if you stop throwing sand at me".


/hope he likes blimpkins
 
2004-04-15 08:18:39 AM
I wouldn't sign a truce with OBL if he were alive; I would find him and kill him.

But I don't think that's possible, since he's already dead.

Disagree? Why isn't there a clear, indisputable VIDEOTAPE of OBL in which he references recent events? All we get are these dubious audiotapes that "might be" or are "likely to be" him. I need more.

Of course, it doesn't matter too much what I think. But before the Europussies rush into signing a truce with OBL, they should check to make sure he's still alive.
 
2004-04-15 08:19:26 AM
wayward2

Yeah at first, I said bin Laden wants Kerry to win - but I got to thinking and I can see legitimate advantages for bin Laden either way. So I guess its a non-issue, we just gotta get that scumbag.
 
2004-04-15 08:19:59 AM
Anybody who thinks killing Osama bin Laden will do the tiniest little bit to stop terrorism on any level is either living in a fantasy land, woefully ignorant and stupid, or just likes the idea of killing people. Or all three.
 
2004-04-15 08:20:59 AM
binnster

I have to think that the people of F-aloha knew very well that there were armed enemies of Free Iraq and the US in their town. I would think that in the time after the bodies were defiled and before the US struck, anyone that wanted to get the heck out of town could have.

We'll have to see what comes out after this mess is over.

For some reason, Patsy Cline is going through my head.
Who's sorry now?.......

I'm outta here.
 
2004-04-15 08:22:33 AM
Pocket Ninja

Granted, killing bin Laden will not stop terrorism. He still needs to die. The world has tolerated this asshat for far too long.
 
2004-04-15 08:22:40 AM
Name the former Texas governor who ordered more executions in one year than in any of the other US States COMBINED.

Bush pardoned all the death row inmates he had the power to pardon: Zero.

(The Gov. of Texas does not have that power. IIRC, only the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles can pardon a prisoner or commute a sentence.)
 
2004-04-15 08:24:05 AM
Pocket Ninja:

You can just say they are Christian.
 
2004-04-15 08:24:33 AM
Yes Wayward, message received and understood - already apologised for that one, which you'll see if you keep reading...
 
2004-04-15 08:25:03 AM
Since when does "Give in to all of my demands or die" constitute a truce anyway?

why is everybody calling this a truce instead of terms of surrender for europe?


Excellent points. I understand a truce as being when two sides are equally involved in conflict and having both sustained casualties and loss of interests, come to a mutual agreement for the terms of a truce. Not when one side biatch slaps the other out of the blue here and there, while the side that was biatch slapped runs away all the time. And then the aggressor says, "Okay I want a truce, as long as you do this." That is definitely terms of surrender. DON'T DO IT EUROPE!! KICK HIS PANSY ASS!!
 
2004-04-15 08:26:55 AM
So basically it goes without saying that European countries will not negotiate with Bush either. He embodies all the qualities they attributed to Bin Laden....Obviously
 
2004-04-15 08:26:55 AM
For some reason, Patsy Cline is going through my head.
Who's sorry now?.......


Or how about Journey. "Who's crying now..."
 
2004-04-15 08:27:25 AM
End_Times_are_here!

Sorry, but your point doesn't hold a lot of weight. Too many self-proclaimed Christians like to kill everyone that disagrees with their faith.

Please note that I said "too many" and not "all".
 
2004-04-15 08:28:24 AM
...This thread is now academic anyway... European leaders have already rejected the offer.

In other news, an Iranian diplomat has been reportedly shot dead in Baghdad and the Japanese hostages have been freed.
 
2004-04-15 08:28:48 AM
Can someone just kill this f*cktard and be done with it please?
 
2004-04-15 08:29:58 AM
DON'T DO IT EUROPE!! KICK HIS PANSY ASS!!


Looks like we're the only ones who will. Bush is quite happy playing in some elses back garden for now.
 
2004-04-15 08:30:25 AM
yeah right. I believe everything murderers say.
 
2004-04-15 08:30:35 AM
Crunch61

This thread is now academic anyway...

You mean this thread had meaning before? I thought we were determining global policy here! ;)

On another note: I congratulate the European leaders for recognizing this "offer" as the threat it is.
 
2004-04-15 08:30:52 AM
 
2004-04-15 08:32:03 AM
Yeah at first, I said bin Laden wants Kerry to win - but I got to thinking and I can see legitimate advantages for bin Laden either way. So I guess its a non-issue, we just gotta get that scumbag.

In all fairness to Kerry, I think he wants to get bin Laden as much as the rest of us.

The biggest difference between Kerry and Bush in this area is that Kerry sees this as a limited conflict between us and al Qaeda and affiliated groups, while Bush sees this as a wider conflict involving not just al Qaeda, but Islamicist terrorists from all over the Middle East and the world and the countries that support them.

IMHO, Kerry seems to be treating the symptoms, while Bush is trying to cure the disease.
 
2004-04-15 08:32:56 AM
Without reading the comments above mine, I'm going to predict roughly 65% of them are some lame-arse kneejerk "we can't give in" reaction that never take into account whether or not we should ever have been there in the first place. 17.5% most likely point out that we never should have gotten involved in the Middle East in the first place -- which would be my viewpoint -- and the last 17.5% is probably some combination of "appeasement doesn't work" (though since we're in the wrong, self-correction "appeases" no one) and "Saddam was evil" (in which case there are more evil dictators in Africa we've never even looked at cross-eyed).
 
2004-04-15 08:34:35 AM
Too many self-proclaimed Christians like to kill everyone that disagrees with their faith.

What year is it A.D.1324? Give me a freakin' break! What Christians kill in the name of faith - and please don't embarrass yourself by talking about this war.
 
2004-04-15 08:34:42 AM
Yes Wayward, message received and understood - already apologised for that one, which you'll see if you keep reading...

Ahhh, the joys of redundancy.

Nothing like coming in late to an early morning flamewar.
 
2004-04-15 08:35:06 AM
red_beard_neo

Perhaps you should read others' comments before dismissing them as useless and/or thoughtless.

Or should I just skip your comments in the future under the assumption that you're just bashing everyone else in the forum?
 
2004-04-15 08:35:51 AM
red_beard_neo

You missed the 0.5% speculating on yaganoosh's enormous cranium and GigantoWang.
 
2004-04-15 08:36:15 AM
As the picture above clearly shows, there is hope for Islamic fundamentalists and the Western world. We can both agree that Orange Julius is damn tasty. Let's build off of that.
 
2004-04-15 08:38:41 AM
RELOAD
 
2004-04-15 08:38:57 AM
Dear Mr. Osamaman, please come the the beautiful Great Plains of the United States, where you can see the Buffalo and White Tail deer. On your tour of freedom, observe the sodbusters sowing their grain for massive herds of fine cattle. See how winter feed supplies are harvested and stored. Watch the hay balers rolling up windrow after windrow of prime hay. See the big round haybales, they weigh a ton apiece. Imagine yourself wrapped in plastic and duct tape, under one of those bales, as it slowly rots into the Earth. Truce? NOT QUITE
 
2004-04-15 08:38:59 AM
evilgreg
under the assumption that you're just bashing everyone else in the forum?
No, he only appears to be bashing 82.5% of us.
 
2004-04-15 08:39:02 AM
If the typical right-wing knuckle-dragger honestly thinks that the European nations are going to pull out of the 'War on Terror' (TM) based upon the insane rantings of a figurehead leader then you are far more stupid than I first thought.

Hang about. We went into Iraq based upon the insane rantings of a figurehead leader, so you may in fact be less stupid than I first thought.
 
2004-04-15 08:39:10 AM
What Christians kill in the name of faith

Well, a brief BBC search brought up Nigeria, for one. Although I would hesitate to use one result as an argumnt.

Unless you subscribe to the view that one Christian killing in the name of faith is "too many". Which is a viewpoint I subscribe to, but it's not particularly relevant here.

Ramble, ramble.
 
2004-04-15 08:40:14 AM
WOW! Who's crying now? Who's you're daddy?
 
2004-04-15 08:40:24 AM
GlasgowMunterHunter
This is all really the European's fault. They are the ones who did all of the colonization. Remember Lord Balfour with the who giving land willy nilly to the zionists? I don't think America gave two shiats then about the decision but you all seemed quite comfortable sitting in a smoky room in London or wherever the fark all your decisions get made going on this side of this line is Britian's and on the other is France's. So thanks for that. Good job.

Then there are all of the colonial "disagreements" that have occured. I keep forgetting that the good old UK didn't farking lose India to some homemade diaper wearing bespecaled Indian.

If you are from the UK and you talk shiat about the USA's domestic and international engagements I would just point out that not every war is the farking Falkland Islands. farking bad dental hygene having douchebags.
 
2004-04-15 08:41:39 AM
Oh, and the clashes between Hindus and Christians in India would be another example.
 
2004-04-15 08:41:51 AM
red_beard_neo

Well now you have to modify your numbers in the light of your comment. .02% are comments that we should take terrorism lying down, and maybe they'll get bored after we all start talking funny and praying to a false god 5 times a day.
 
2004-04-15 08:42:47 AM
Wow. Over 400 comments and that was the first mention of dental hygiene. I'm impressed.
 
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