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2004-04-15 03:07:06 PM  
nuclear_asshat

You truly are every advertiser's wet dream.

Good to know you have bought into the whole marketing scheme full speed ahead.


In my case, not really. I rarely smoke. Pretty much only when I have a drink.

And no, I don't think smokers are cool because they smoke. It is just that people who choose to smoke, in my observation tend to be a lot less. . stuffy. Same with people that drink. Maybe it is just me, but people who spout "I don't smoke. I don't drink." tend to not be the most laid back individuals in the world.

Again, it is a generalization, sure.

Notice though how hot headed the non smokers became when I said that? "You are an asshat for saying that! My infant is in DANGER!!!!"

Yep, not judgmental at all. Right.

Especially considering your infant is not really in all the much danger. If any danger at all if he/she gets a slight whiff of second hand smoke. Please. Lighten up.
 
mtt
2004-04-15 03:08:02 PM  
Your right to smoke? Absolutely a human right.
Your right to do crack? Yup.
Heroin? Yup
Pot? True.
roofies? mm-hmm.
x? oh yeah.
lick duck anuses? yup.

Your right to do it, and in the course, possibly harm others?

No.
 
mtt
2004-04-15 03:09:44 PM  
whidbey65 - I don't smoke tobacco, but people that whine about it really annoy me. I don't know whether they're actually bothered by the smoke or if they're just high maintenance...


You whine about whiners, and then call other people high-maintenance?

/pot, meet kettle. kettle? pot.
 
2004-04-15 03:09:51 PM  
amadea

The restaraunt industry is the largest private employer in America (see my above link somewhere up the page). I think that makes it a pretty significant problem for people that want a job, but don't want to get cancer.

Guy Innagorillasuit

There are 3,000 deaths attributable to smoking a year, according to a 2002 CDC report (link in one of my above posts). The only "scientific debate" I have seen is some link about a 1992 study that a previous poster linked from the Cato institute. If I saw a link from a place that was not a Philip Morris subsidiary, I might be more convinced, but for now, it seems like most of the scientific debate is smoke and mirrors from the tobacco companies. But maybe you can prove me wrong.
 
2004-04-15 03:10:17 PM  
mtt + others: how do you have a right to do those drugs, which can drive up healthcare costs, yet people whine about paying insurance for motorcyclists who choose not to wear a helmet?
 
2004-04-15 03:11:05 PM  
Bladel

Congrats....it's been 21 days for me. I actually haven't found it that bad. Although I smoked 15 years....Didn't quit for any particular reason other than I finally got sick of it. Kind of the same way as when I was a kid I eventually got sick of peanut butter and toast after eating it every day for seven years.

/hope to keep it up, but won't self-flagellate if I don't
 
2004-04-15 03:12:54 PM  
People have the right to mountain bike down unsafe trails, base jump, sunbath until they have cancer, eat until they are dying under their own weight etc.

Let them smoke, as long as I don't have to breath that crap as well. A little consideration from the cancer crowd please?
 
2004-04-15 03:13:11 PM  
none of you farking nicotine junkie cumbuckets have yet to explain why you can't through your farking butts in a farking ashtray! Are you too mellow after you you smoke your fag to be bothered with finding an ashtray!

I am going to piss on the next person who lights up! Bring it on you wannabe French pussies!
 
2004-04-15 03:13:41 PM  
mtt

lick duck anuses? yup.

You mean that's ok to do? Excuse me for about an hour....
 
2004-04-15 03:13:45 PM  
Next Tuesday will be 30-days smoke-free. I wondered if it would get any easier, so I asked my grandpa (who quit in 1982) if he ever still thinks about smoking a cigarette.

"Just every day, when I drive, eat or sleep."

Not encouraging. :(


Just as long as the tingling in my epidermis goes away, I won't mind thinking about it. There is something really cool and primal about smoking. Lighting something on fire and then putting it into your mouth, taking a break from what you're doing to go sit in a window and watch traffic while you puff -- there's nothing similar for non-smokers.

I just don't want the bad health effects anymore.
 
mtt
2004-04-15 03:14:43 PM  
mutilato - 80% of the paper waste on the ground is from smokers.
LostprophetR63 - 83% of all stats are made up on the spot. Links please.

While I'm all for citing, you have to live on a farm if you find this incredible. Next time you're driving ANYWHERE, and you're at a stoplight or sign, open your door and look at the street. Chances are you won't be able to count all the cigarette butts on your fingers and toes or those of your passengers.

Which reminds me... Hey, smokers that throw their trash out the window: THE WORLD IS NOT YOUR FARKING PERSONAL ASHTRAY YOU FARKING DISGUSTING SLOBS.

This goes for girls who think smoking is cute/cool, too. The rest of us know you're just a 45-yo lung-coughing Waffle House waitress in training.
 
2004-04-15 03:15:14 PM  
Poor farker_diego, you'll just never be happy. I bet even if they outlawed smoking you'd still find something to complain about. Why not just kill your self now and make it all go away, seems the only way you'll be happy.
 
2004-04-15 03:15:23 PM  
Smoking is a vice. This is obvious. The only question revolves about the depth of that vice. Recently, it's dropped more towards the negative in the public's eyes. I'm really not sure if that's fair or not.

What I do know: If I am aware of a personal vice (not a personality quirk, mind you, but a vice), WHY would I want to flaunt it in front of others?

Most of the answers to these questions indicate additional vices. Please don't hate people if we don't wish your vices to interrupt our lives.
 
2004-04-15 03:16:18 PM  
You rabid anti smokers can suck my farking ass.

Don't oppress me, and I won't hate you as much. Mind your goddamn business...


my .02
 
2004-04-15 03:16:21 PM  
Well, sometimes, unless you park within 25 feet of the door, you still have to walk the gauntlet of smokers to get into office buildings and shopping areas.

walk AROUND the smoking area, not right through the middle of it.

the second-hand smoke argument is invalid here simply because it's outdoors...the smoke goes away because, guess what, it's lighter than air. notice how it floats away.

Indoors, I do agree that smoking should not be allowed in an office or fast food restaurant because of the concentration of the smoke versus being outdoors. Bars and casinos are the ONLY exceptions because they are required (at least in Vegas) to have filters that remove as much smoke as possible.

farker_diego...you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, aren't you?
 
2004-04-15 03:16:33 PM  
My mother quit smoking 42 years ago. She always says that if she knew she was going to die tomorrow, shed go by a pack of smokes.
 
2004-04-15 03:16:58 PM  
2004-04-15 03:11:05 PM RegDunlop

Bladel

Congrats....it's been 21 days for me. I actually haven't found it that bad. Although I smoked 15 years....Didn't quit for any particular reason other than I finally got sick of it. Kind of the same way as when I was a kid I eventually got sick of peanut butter and toast after eating it every day for seven years.


Congrats to you as well. I was just getting tired of feeling like a pariah. Also, taxes in my state may push prices up to $5/pack. I never thought I'd smoke that long, just started as a teenager without much thought given to the next 15 years.

One correction for all smokers and non- in this thread: You choose to smoke your first pack of cigarettes. From then on, smoking is not a "choice" for most people.
 
2004-04-15 03:17:02 PM  
"I am going to piss on the next person who lights up!"
--
Big words for a guy behind a keyboard...
 
2004-04-15 03:17:36 PM  
farking bad spelling and grammar! I must need to take my extra hour break from work that cancer sucking monkeys take!
 
2004-04-15 03:18:02 PM  
Agent86: Agreed on the restaurants, however, I have rarely been to a restaurant where I sat in the non-smoking section and came home smelling like smoke (or even smelled the slightest whiff while I was there). And yes, I do frequently sit in the non-smoking section, as I have a child that I do NOT smoke around at all. I imagine that employees of those sorts of restaurants have every right to request that they not have to serve the smoking section if they are bothered by the smoke, and I imagine that most bosses would be accomodating of that request simply -because- of the possible health repurcussions.

That being said, clubs and bars are the places that were mentioned most in previous posts here as where non-smokers 'come home smelling like smoke'...and I don't think that working in a club/bar is the biggest job opportunity out there...in fact, most bars and clubs restrict their prospective employees to those over a certain age, or having bartending skills.

Therefore, while I agree with you on the size of the restaurant industry and its importance to those needing employment, I refuse to believe that clubs and bars fall into the same category...non-smokers that are bothered by smoking can apply somewhere else. *shrug*
 
mtt
2004-04-15 03:18:45 PM  
BilldaCat10 - mtt + others: how do you have a right to do those drugs, which can drive up healthcare costs

This is such a scary question. Scary that someone actually asks it in all seriousness.

NOBODY has the right to tell me what to do with my body in my private space, ESPECIALLY NOT BUSINESSES OR STRANGERS, regardless of the reason. If they cost healthcare more money, cut them off from healthcare. But it is just so scary that you find requesting the eradication of other peoples' rights so easy.

/just, really scary...
 
2004-04-15 03:19:19 PM  
There isn't much I can say in this thread that hasn't already been said, so here is a polar bear with a hose on it's nose.
 
2004-04-15 03:21:52 PM  
spleef420

Sorry to but in, but smoke is not lighter than air. It's particulate and eventually settles somewhere.
 
2004-04-15 03:22:18 PM  
To the non-smokers:
C'mon, grab a brain, second hand smoke will not kill you nor give you cancer. To the schmuck who thinks he can smell the cigarette smoke coming from the driver in the car ahead of him, I say, BULLSHIAT! You're probably smelling his exhaust which produces far more voluminous amounts of deadly gases.
As for the people who complain about the medical costs, I'll have to assume that you do not live in the US. For in the US, the medical system is privatized so virtually none of your tax dollars are used to pay for the evil smokers. I can't even get into the waiting room to see my doctor without first paying the $15 cover charge. Ridiculous.

To the smokers:
Here's a brief list of smoker fallacies. As an ex-smoker, I know that some of them may be difficult to believe but the information here is all true. I haven't turned into a self-righteous anti-smoker.

In fact, I like the smell of cigarettes. Some people ask me, "then don't those smokers make you want to smoke?" My answer to them is, "no. I like the smell of popcorn but I don't want to smoke that."

If you have tried to quit before and failed, do not blame yourself or fall for the belief that you do not have the necessary will power to stop -- that is exactly how the nicotine trap works.
Quitting is easy if you follow the right procedure. For further information, check out www.allencarrseasyway.com for information. And no, I don't work for that website nor do I gain anything from promoting it.

Five common fallacies about smoking:
1. Are long term smokers more hooked than teenagers?
A. No, smoking is a physical addiction that affects all victims equally whether or not they are new smokers.

2. Do smokers smoke because they choose to?
A. No, they smoke because they are addicted to nicotine. They may have chosen to smoke their first few cigarettes out of curiosity or peer-pressure, but they do not choose to become smokers. None of them ever planned to become a smoker.

3. Do youngsters start smoking to feel adult, cool, or rebelious?
A. No, they smoke because the pervasive brainwashing in our society makes them believe that they will gain these qualities as a result of smoking. Even non-smokers think that smoking serves as some kind of crutch -- it does not, and it never has. People who claim this are merely perpetuating this false belief.

4. Do smokers enjoy the taste of cigarettes?
A. No, all cigarettes taste bad. The only reason a smoker smokes a cigarette is because of the previous one he/she had. This is the nature of addiction.

5. Do some cigarettes, e.g. after a meal, taste better than others?
A. No, all cigarettes in any given pack taste the same: bad. Smokers make themselves think that the cigarette after a meal tastes better but this is only an illusion, which is the result of the nicotine craving persisting even after the food craving has been satisfied.

/Flame suit ready.
 
2004-04-15 03:22:19 PM  
amadea

You could be right. While I don't think waitresses have quite that much freedom, clubs and bars are enough of "niche businesses" that maybe it isn't the worst thing in the world. Also, kudos for not smoking in front of your kid.
 
2004-04-15 03:22:37 PM  
MDGeist you are behind a keyboad too you farking pussy!
 
2004-04-15 03:24:50 PM  
I like your way of thinking deviousp.
 
mtt
2004-04-15 03:25:42 PM  
deviousp - There isn't much I can say in this thread that hasn't already been said, so here is a polar bear with a hose on [it is] nose.

On it is nose? That doesn't make any sense. So here's a picture of what girl smokers look like to people that don't hurt themselves in an attempt to be cool or rebellious:

 
2004-04-15 03:26:03 PM  

StuckUpbiatches
2004-04-15 00:00:00 BPM

I have no life of my own. People don't like me, because they say I don't know how to mind my own business. I'm royally pissed off at the hand I have been dealt. Therefore, I feel it is my undeniable right to piss and moan about what everyone else derives pleasure from, especially when it means fark-all to me personally. Boy howdy.. when I'm king...

Just kill yourselves. Now. Please.


I'm not kidding. Kill yourselves. We don't want you here.


You need a gun? I'll let you borrow mine. BYOB(ullets).
 
2004-04-15 03:26:04 PM  
Figaro MDGeist

You two should just meet by the flagpole, fight, and get it over with.
 
mtt
2004-04-15 03:28:10 PM  
Meecrob - Do youngsters start smoking to feel adult, cool, or rebelious? No.

So youngsters never smoke to feel adult, cool, or rebellious?

Q&A

Is Meecrob
's above statement a lie? Yes.
Is Meecrob's entire post suspect as a result? Yes.
 
2004-04-15 03:28:51 PM  
Agent86

Figaro MDGeist

You two should just meet by the flagpole, fight, and get it over with.


I'll put a pack of Malboro Reds on MDGeist
 
2004-04-15 03:31:04 PM  
Average mental age of people who biatch and moan incessantly: 4.5
 
2004-04-15 03:31:51 PM  
greenpants

I'll put a pack of Malboro Reds on MDGeist

Too rich for my blood. Plus, i don't have any cigarettes, cause I'm not cool :(
 
2004-04-15 03:32:09 PM  
People should be allowed to smoke as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. However, smoking is a stupid thing to do, and smokers shouldn't get riled when someone calls them on it, as long as that person doesn't imply that the smoker doesn't have the right to smoke.

That said, I have a simple solution to the smoking problem that respects everybody's rights and would also probably, eventually, get everyone to kick the habit and put an end to the industry:

Every nth pack should contain some kind of poison that kills the smoker instantly upon inhalation. The super-poisoned cigarettes would look exactly like the regular ones, and the packs would have no special distinguishing labels, although EVERY pack of cigarettes would have a label pointing out that every nth pack is poisoned. It'd be doing the same thing that's going to happen to the smoker anyway, just a lot faster.

Whether second-hand smoke is a reality or not (personally, I don't feel the groups of people on either side of that argument can be trusted), one thing that intelligent smokers know is that every time they take a drag, THEY ARE TAKING A CALCULATED RISK. Perhaps if that risk were a little more immediate, rather than something they think is being put off until some later date, they would think twice about what they're doing. Either way is just like playing Russian Roulette, it's just that the revolver in a regular pack of cigarettes has really slow bullets. The special poisoned ones would be closer to the real thing.

In this solution, everyone would get equitable treatment and what they want: The tobacco companies would get to continue selling dangerous substances, smokers would get to keep smoking, and anti-smoking groups would get something that'd probably be far more effective at getting people to quit smoking than their annoying billboards. It's win-win-win!

Well, except for the people who die from the poisoned cigarettes. But if a person's dumb enough to take that kind of unnecessary, calculated risk that he ACKNOWLEDGES could kill him, well... Darwin works his magic, so to say.
 
2004-04-15 03:32:14 PM  
Wow, this didn't happen in Tennessee?

/astounded
 
2004-04-15 03:32:54 PM  
Agent86
There are 3,000 deaths attributable to smoking a year, according to a 2002 CDC report (link in one of my above posts). The only "scientific debate" I have seen is some link about a 1992 study that a previous poster linked from the Cato institute. If I saw a link from a place that was not a Philip Morris subsidiary, I might be more convinced, but for now, it seems like most of the scientific debate is smoke and mirrors from the tobacco companies. But maybe you can prove me wrong.

3,000 a year? How much of a risk is that? Yes, it's more than zero, but 3,000 a year is miniscule.
 
2004-04-15 03:33:16 PM  
Well Figaro, I'm not the one trying to get my point across by calling people names and acting like a buffoon. So sit back, smoke a fatty, and grow the fark up.
 
2004-04-15 03:33:49 PM  
mtt: did I say I agreed or disagreed with it? i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.
 
2004-04-15 03:34:00 PM  
Cigarettes are tobacco for women and pansies, real men chew their tobacco.
 
2004-04-15 03:34:06 PM  
mtt

That monkey looks like its having the time of it's life.

Its a joke! Get it?
 
2004-04-15 03:34:11 PM  
Regarding the increased cost of healthcare.

Although treating cancer is expensive, the fact that smokers die young means that they cost the taxpayer much less cash.
Many western economies are suffering as an ageing population puts an ever heavier burden on younger taxpayer.

A fat, heavy drinking and heavy smoking population makes massive amounts of money for the government in taxation. Plus they then die before they become a burden.
 
2004-04-15 03:35:47 PM  
Hey, smoke all your want. Get lung cancer and die a painful death.. but just keep that foul smelling shiat away from me and respect my human right NOT to breath in poinsonous carinogenic fumes. Then we'll get along just fine.
 
2004-04-15 03:37:46 PM  
Beconwulf

Cigarettes are tobacco for women and pansies, real men chew their tobacco.

Ooh, I love kissing real men too. You know the ones with huge white tumors on the inside of their lip. So sexy.
 
2004-04-15 03:38:13 PM  
Your tax dollars are not being seriously negatively affected by people who are getting sick from lung cancer.
**************
How do you figure? Ever hear of medicare and medicaid? Guess who pays for that? We do.

*********************

Factoid #1 - Lung cancer is very rare.
Factoid #2 - Lung cancer is very deadly, and kills quickly.

Ergo, Lung Cancer is not a serious drain on the medicare/aid system.

ANYWAY,

Cigarette smokers are cooler, tip better at restaurants, and generally also contribute to the liquor industry. You need us, America. If we all quit at once, the resulting economic depression may be difficult to recover from.

Also, kudos to Myaclans the tertiary or whatever your name is, for the fine display of vocabulary. You are a lexicogriphal peacock.
 
2004-04-15 03:40:20 PM  
I think whoever labeled this as is smoking the meat pipe.

/go eat your tofu & shut the fark up!
 
2004-04-15 03:40:37 PM  
Your tax dollars are not being seriously negatively affected by people who are getting sick from lung cancer.
**************
How do you figure? Ever hear of medicare and medicaid? Guess who pays for that? We do.

*********************

Factoid #1 - Lung cancer is very rare.
Factoid #2 - Lung cancer is very deadly, and kills quickly.


because lung cancer is the only thing a chronic smoker would need to go to the hospital for.
 
2004-04-15 03:40:50 PM  
Although treating cancer is expensive, the fact that smokers die young means that they cost the taxpayer much less cash.

Another fallacy run amock. It really doesnt matter when you die. Its how much it cost to keep you alive in that last couple of years/months.
 
2004-04-15 03:40:58 PM  
Poor farker_diego, you'll just never be happy. I bet even if they outlawed smoking you'd still find something to complain about. Why not just kill your self now and make it all go away, seems the only way you'll be happy.

Fark you. You don't even know me. Just because I dislike breathing cigarette smoke and say so, does not give you enough info to pass judgement. You are compalining here as much as me, if that is what you call trying to have a discussion. And telling me to kill myself to be happy. Another big fark you and grow up. As you told other people, it's easy to insult people behind your keyboard.
 
2004-04-15 03:41:56 PM  
Guy Innagorillasuit

Interestingly enough:

"In 1994, OSHA issued a notice of proposed rulemaking on indoor air quality, including environmental tobacco smoke (secondhand smoke), which would ban workplace smoking unless a separate, enclosed and ventilated room to contain smoke is in place."

Source

So if workplaces are required to have a seperate well ventilated smoking room to allow workers to smoke, why can restaraunts have their staff exposed to secondhand smoke daily?
 
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