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(glaad.org)   In the upset of the century, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy wins GLAAD award for "Outstanding Reality Program"   (glaad.org) divider line 178
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2004-04-14 08:28:38 AM
Oh, and according to the beliefs I was taught when I was growing up, you can't even get into purgatory unless you're a Catholic, so you better start sucking up the the Virgin Mary right now, you Protestant SOB.
 
2004-04-14 08:29:51 AM
I can't wait for the new spinoff, "Financial eye from the Jewish guy", or "Mathematics plan from the asian man"
 
2004-04-14 08:30:37 AM
Lamune_Baba

I don't see how a felony like leaving your new born in a dumpsters is similar to being homosexual.
 
2004-04-14 08:39:25 AM
Pluvius

Dont bring cancer up.. Thats a disease.
Homosexuality isin't a disease is it? Hey i didn't say it, and no I dont think it is. I know some think so though.

Im with hoss on this one though. Arguing that homosexuality is natural is kinda silly. From a sexual standpoint anyway its ovious. If it was natural there would be a male uterius. I think its more devolopment thing in childhood.
 
2004-04-14 08:42:09 AM
Well thats all well and good Uillchi. Oh darn..nevermind John 3-16.
 
2004-04-14 08:44:02 AM
Hoss02

Do I have a civil right to a heterosexual relatinship? No. If my wife said no when I proposed to her, was she violating my civil rights? No, I don't think so. Does anyone have a civil right to a relationship? Nope. What about the poor schmuck that can't get a date? Will the ACLU file suit for him because he is being denied happiness?

What was it like eating paint chips as a child and drinking mercury out of broken thermometers? Being against homosexuality is fine. But you have no conception of what rights are or are not. It is not about someone turning you down from a relationship but people are arguing that if they want to get into a relationship it should be respected or at least given benign neglect.

Jesus christ nowhere in the bill of rights does it say you will get laid or you will date or you will get to sneak kisses it just says you won't get farked with on certain things.

/retard
 
2004-04-14 08:47:14 AM
hoss02

Tell me again how the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality?

Sure it does, but the point is Jesus doesn't. What you quoted was one Paul's letters. Unless you've elected Paul as Associate Christ, or Speaker for the Christ, his opinion is just that, one man's opinion. One of the recurring themes in the Bible is the need to separate the laws of man from the laws of God, yet many Christians have difficulty understanding which parts of the Bible are which.

Paul's letters were included in the Bible because he was one of the few early literate Christians and he worked so passionately to spread Christianity. He was not one of the disciples of Jesus. In fact he never even met him. Paul is not God and cannot pass judgement or make commandments. Remember this is the same guy who tells slaves to obey their masters and women to obey their husbands, so perhaps he wasn't so divinely inspired afterall.

Yes there are Old Testaments commandments condemning 4homosexuality, however they're right next to all sorts of dietary laws, rules about sacrefices, marrying your dead brother's wife and other such embarrassments that are almost universally ignored.
 
2004-04-14 08:48:08 AM
"Almost all of Leviticus is ignored by present day Christians who correctly understand they are saved by grace. Strangely, they make an exception for the passages used in their attempt to condemn homosexuality."
 
2004-04-14 08:48:13 AM
Saners I don't see how a felony like leaving your new born in a dumpsters is similar to being homosexual.

Both are documented in animals...
"They're both natural!"

The point was how stupid of an argument "it happens in nature" is. I thought I'd made that perfectly clear in the first three paragraphs. Thank you for making my point that much clearer...
 
2004-04-14 08:48:57 AM
Oh, no! The gays are coming right for us...and they have quiche!
 
2004-04-14 08:50:57 AM
TappingTheVein:

Not quite. While homosexuality does have biological causes, it is not genetic. It has more to do with the development of the fetus and the outside conditions. but I guess I'm just splitting hairs here...
 
2004-04-14 08:54:45 AM
So...let's take a look at Leviticus, then.

Leviticus 21:16-23

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy. Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them."

If I'm reading this correctly, it means that if you're crippled, lame, disfigured, short, have a flat nose, broken bones, sore back or scabs, you're forbidden from being part of church services and the wider church community.
 
2004-04-14 09:00:48 AM
surlyirishman

That should be "Financial plan for the Gentile man" and "Mathematics guy for the round eye"
 
2004-04-14 09:10:10 AM
 
2004-04-14 09:14:55 AM
The show sucks . A man having sex with another man is a choice not something you are born to do.It is not normal and I would not want my children thinking it is.I erased bravo from my TV because that show was one all the time. Did I mention that the show sucks.
 
2004-04-14 09:20:06 AM
Dammit, somebody already made the crab people joke?

You really have to live on Fark to be the first one to make the obvious joke.
 
2004-04-14 09:21:35 AM
I'm gay and can't stand that show. Sure, there are plenty of queeney gay men out there, and I have absolutely no interest in them. It's like they are relics from the ancient era of "gay men are women on the inside, right?" times.
 
2004-04-14 09:26:32 AM
Now Braille on ATMS...that's evil. It's against nature!!! Think of the children!!!
 
2004-04-14 09:30:54 AM
At the GLAAD TV awards Will and Grace won for best comedy and Six Feet Under for best drama. Better luck next year for the ZERO other nominees.
-Tina Fey, SNL
 
2004-04-14 09:34:46 AM
lukelightning I'm glad to hear a gay person say that. As a heterosexual man, I imagined that the sort of stereotypes this program promotes were archaic and insulting. Glad to hear I'm not the only one.
 
2004-04-14 09:40:38 AM
If there is a gay gene, then there must be a pedophile gene, zoophillia gene, incest gene and a necrophilia gene.

Suppose we are trampling on the civil rights of people who were born to prefer to have sex with children, animals, their own sons and daughters and dead bodies by having laws against such practices?
 
2004-04-14 09:54:31 AM
Yay, finally a gay thread on Fark. I just don't understand why a straight guy can be married to a woman for 20 years and have 3 kids and suddenly realize he is gay, but a gay guy can't do the same. I'm not for locking up gay people or outlawing gay sex, but I don't believe in allowing gay marraige without at least a vote on it.
 
2004-04-14 10:20:45 AM

2004-04-14 09:54:31 AM Kerrykabob


Yay, finally a gay thread on Fark. I just don't understand why a straight guy can be married to a woman for 20 years and have 3 kids and suddenly realize he is gay, but a gay guy can't do the same. I'm not for locking up gay people or outlawing gay sex, but I don't believe in allowing gay marraige without at least a vote on it.


Good idea! We'll let the majority of people that the law has no bearing on WHATSOEVER decide.

Sanctity of marriage? Outlaw divorce.
 
2004-04-14 10:22:07 AM
You guys are all missing the real point.

"Outstanding Reality Program"

bzzzt... sorry. No "Reality" program will ever be outstanding. They need to all stop... now.

And if you disagree with me, you're a homo ;)
 
2004-04-14 10:25:32 AM
If there is a gay gene, then there must be a pedophile gene, zoophillia gene, incest gene and a necrophilia gene.

Well, we do know there is probably an idiot gene.
 
2004-04-14 10:33:39 AM
1. Queer Eye is the Sanford and Son of it's time. That is not a compliment.

2. Hoss02 - huh? I think you're reading between the lines A LOT, because I didn't read any boykissyboy in there. I am reminded of Ned Flanders scouring the bible for permission to sleep with a woman to whom he was not married. It also says a great deal about both you and Saul of Tarsus if the only natural use for women you can think of is a roll in the hay.

I can't even figure out how a woman could turn her natural use to that which is against nature. If her natural use is to pop out babies, she can't very well do that one alone, or even with another woman. If her natural use is just having a vagina to begin with... Again I'm convinced that Saul needed a good wife.
 
2004-04-14 10:38:52 AM
 
2004-04-14 11:11:40 AM
"Good idea! We'll let the majority of people that the law has no bearing on WHATSOEVER decide."

So only gay people should vote on it? You are being naive if you think recognizing gay marraige won't have a big effect on our larger society.
 
2004-04-14 11:48:07 AM
In other news, Comedy Central's show "Straight Plan for the Gay Man" is awarded NOTHING.
 
2004-04-14 11:48:36 AM
Quit the endless digression and get back to the gay penguins please.
 
2004-04-14 12:00:27 PM
Armaments 1:7

"Bless this thy holy hand grenade, that with it thou
might blow thine enemies to tiny bits"

nice flamewar folks...

personally i'm too busy out in the boatshop at night to
waste time watching tv- I catch ten minutes of news in the
morning and that's it. my ungayed-up wardrobe and style
suits me just fine. the women tell me so.
 
2004-04-14 12:14:43 PM
If there is a gay gene, then there must be a pedophile gene, zoophillia gene, incest gene and a necrophilia gene.

Suppose we are trampling on the civil rights of people who were born to prefer to have sex with children, animals, their own sons and daughters and dead bodies by having laws against such practices?


Last I heard, they believe the biological cause of homosexuality to be related to prenatal development. This is different from genetic factors, such as it can't be "passed on" yet is obviously not a "choice".

And last I checked, homosexuals are engaged in consesual, victimless behavior with other consenting adults. You can hardly make the same argument with pedophiles and incest(children can't consent) or zoophiles (neither can animals).

As for necrophiliacs, that's kind of interesting. I suppose a corpse could be considered the property of the next of kin. If the next of kin were to consent to you defiling their property, than in fact it should be legal. Ain't freedom a funny thing?
 
2004-04-14 12:26:25 PM
To all who say being gay is a choice:
You've obviously never had a friend hysterically sobbing on your shoulder at 4am, all because she can't take the fact that she can't MAKE herself like men.
A nice Roman Catholic friend, who thinks she is both going to hell, and going to lose her entire family.
A good person who had contemplated suicide because she couldn't be a "good" Christian and deal with her feelings for women.

Oh, of course you haven't. You would probably condemn her before she got two words out.

/done
 
2004-04-14 12:26:30 PM
theironchef
Hoo-rah, I definately support that idea. I hate how even gays and lesbians support such pandering as Queer Eye without realizing the irony that they are supporting the idea that homosexuality denotes anything more than an attraction to people of your own sex. I agree that this same thing was done 50 years ago when blacks were pigeonholed as entertaining servents and nothing more.

And 2 quick points. 1) I can't accept the idea that homosexuality is genetic because if it was, there would be no way to pass the trait on, since an active homosexual can't pass his genes on through reproduction (except in roundabout ways that are too uncommon to be considered a logical explanation). 2) If America one day accepts homosexuality as 'normal,' what is to stop pedophilia, beastiality, and furrydom from becoming accepted too? To those people, I doubt they see their 'fetish' as a choice either, and if its something innate in the person, we'd have to accept it.

I don't know where I stand on the issue myself, I work with a gay man who's a good friend, so I don't want to quickly say they're all going to burn in hell, but I just can't logically justify giving gays the same rights and heterosexuals just because they want them. Of course I don't want to be violent against them, that's just archaiec, but I don't think we should turn society upside down to make a very small minority feel more accepted.
 
Kiz
2004-04-14 12:54:53 PM
Here's how you check whether or not homosexuality is a "choice". Take two identical twins, separated at birth and raised in different families, possibly even in different parts of the country. Look them up when they're 20-30 years old.

If the first twin is gay, what are the odds that the second twin is gay, too?

If genetics/prenatal development don't matter, then the odds should be about 5-10%, like the rest of the population.

Actual odds? Study results vary, but most show about 50-60%. We're talking about 10x as great of a chance than would be explainable by just "choice". On the other hand, it's not 100%, either, like the simpler genetic traits (e.g.- hair color) would be, so while there's obviously a strong genetic/early development factor, it isn't always triggered.

/yeah, this is a simplification of the way the studies are done, but it's close enough.
 
2004-04-14 01:01:06 PM
Personally, if God is "all forgiving", then no one should burn in Hell, if Heaven or Hell even exist.

God also said "do unto others", which NO Christian, so far in MY life, has ever been able to do.

I am so sick of anyone with a smattering of religion telling ME how to act. Mind your own business.
 
2004-04-14 01:01:32 PM
Hello, vaporlock.
I am on fark, and I just read your newest post, involving the recognition of gay marriage. I found it quite interesting.
If we accept gay marriage, then we will have to accept gay adoption, we will have to pander to the minimus populous, the minority, because they need a voice, they're the minority, they are being discriminated against, they are being underminded and crushed by the evil Christians who believe in family, who believe that a couple should be the only kind able to have babies.
HAVE, not adopt.

Have, remember that.

A gay, lesbian, bisexual couple, whatever, should be allowed to raise children whose parents give them advise, give them the talk, give them novelty t-shirts
(I love my mommies, isn't that just too cute)
and let them grow up to raise little gay babies to adopt more children, so on and so forth.
Sure. They can do that, that's their choice, and no president is going to stop them, no force is strong enough to stop a group of picketing gay people, activist homosexuals that just looove to shove their thoughts and beliefs on everybody else, just SCREW your rights you idiot, you can't descriminate, you fundie moron.

Do you see why we fight? Do you see why we don't like hearing about this? Can you tell we're tired of the fight, nature vs. unnatural, kill the gays vs. don't hate us we're americans, too?

Please, just help us out. Keep your beliefs, yes, keep living good American lives with your Chevrolet and your suburban house and your nice job in the office building.
Just please, don't shove your views on those who want to just live their lives, straight or gay. Black or jewish or republican or democrat. Catholic or Protestant or even Mormon.

Just let us live, and we can do the same for you.
 
2004-04-14 01:19:29 PM
Well, so much for a fast paced flame war.
 
2004-04-14 01:21:24 PM
pink eye for the knee high?

 
2004-04-14 01:37:08 PM
2004-04-14 12:26:30 PM Discospawn
And 2 quick points. 1) I can't accept the idea that homosexuality is genetic because if it was, there would be no way to pass the trait on, since an active homosexual can't pass his genes on through reproduction (except in roundabout ways that are too uncommon to be considered a logical explanation).


Does the word "recessive" mean anything to you? Anything at all?

I'm just curious. There are a number of genetic disorders that cause pre-puberty death, and a number more that cause sterility; how do you think those get passed on?

2) If America one day accepts homosexuality as 'normal,' what is to stop pedophilia, beastiality, and furrydom from becoming accepted too? To those people, I doubt they see their 'fetish' as a choice either, and if its something innate in the person, we'd have to accept it.

Pedophilia has victims. Beastiality has victims. Homosexuality takes place between consenting adults. There's a WORLD of difference. Seriously, why should the government care what two consenting adults do in the privacy in their own bedroom? It's only when innocent victims get involved that the government should intervene.

As for furrydom, maybe you should accept it. Sure, people getting freaky wearing mascot suits may be kinda sad, sick, and pathetic, but damnit, don't people have a right to be sad, sick, and pathetic? Not saying you have to like it, but tolerate those who do. One could also point out that being a furry is completely legal, and does not have the kind of witch-hunt against it that homosexuality has, so one could see it as MORE accepted than homosexuality.
 
2004-04-14 01:39:04 PM
I know, I know...I'm sick of The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, The Fifth Wheel, and Blind Date too. I'm okay with straight people, but do they have to flaunt their farking sexuality all the time?? If you like sticking your whang in pussy, just do it! Stop talking about it!
 
2004-04-14 01:52:31 PM
Whether homosexuality is a choice or not is irrelevant. Religion isn't genetic, either.
 
2004-04-14 01:53:27 PM
Hello, again, vaporlock.
I am not, and I quote, "busting [your] balls" because you are defending gays, I am saying that I am tired of hearing people say that gay couples are just as good a role model as parents as a heterosexual (original) couple. A dysfunctional family, such as a gay couple, an open marriage, cheating partners, are a good way to raise dysfunctional children. And ducks begat ducks, so do sociologically retarded people raise equally sociologically retarded children.

/are you tired of fighting?
 
2004-04-14 01:53:33 PM
I have no idea what AfroSpatula is talking about either.
 
2004-04-14 01:56:16 PM
There are a lots of things in this thread I wanted to comment on, but what's the point?

One thing I don't get: People say that bestiality involves a "victim" because the animal can't consent, making a sex act performed on an animal into rape. I actually agree, and the thought of someone having sex with a dog or sheep or whatever just creeps me out.

But yesterday, I must admit, I had some rather excellent bacon. In the grand scheme of things, I bet that poor pig would have much rather been raped than slaughtered and eaten. So saying that bestiality is wrong because it victimizes animals (at least in our society) seems rather silly to me. I can't really summon the moral authority to say, "You can't do that a helpless animal!" in between bites of a hamburger. Unless you're a strict vegan, it just doesn't make sense.
 
2004-04-14 01:58:37 PM
I have no idea what AfroSpatula is talking about either.

Sounds like he's a first-semester correspondence school psych student. And not a particularly good one.
 
2004-04-14 02:00:54 PM
pantropik: Actually, my code of ethics re: animals runs closer to the American Indian version: You can kill them if you're going to use them for something important (like food), otherwise leave them the fark alone.

So, you see, I can be for eating meat and against beastiality, which I am, and also against trophy hunting, which I am. You can sit there and say "it doesn't make sense!" all you want, but to those of us who understand that context matters, it makes perfect sense.
 
2004-04-14 02:04:12 PM
Whether homosexuality is a choice or not is irrelevant.

Exactly. It's no more of a basis for making such decisions than the fact that knitting is a choice justifies preventing people who knit from getting married to other people who knit. They're not harming anybody and they love each other; leave them the hell alone.
 
2004-04-14 02:05:32 PM
You know, this thread is getting way too serious and heated, and I think we need a little something to lighten us all up a bit.

With that in mind...

Leaping Lesbians!
 
2004-04-14 02:06:06 PM
So it doesn't bother the gay community that all the gay characters in Media are caricaturized?
 
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