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2004-04-12 08:43:05 PM  
Very good article. I agreed on all points. Stewart caters to college kids who are liberal without knowing why (hey, I'm a college kid too, and I'm a liberal, don't stab me), and just plain isn't funny.

Often times its just embarrassing watching him because he's so unfunny.

I love Letterman... I like Conan. I hate Stewart and Leno. Oh and that Craig guy needs to go back to sports coverage.
 
2004-04-12 08:44:39 PM  
Oh please, please let TDS producers/writers/cast read this article...the reverse pWn@g3 would r0x0r.
 
2004-04-12 08:46:02 PM  
A right-wing conservative implies that someone who does not support Bush is a soul-less threat to America!?

Golly, how unusal.
 
2004-04-12 08:47:10 PM  
Also, Dennis Miller not funny, Lewis Black funny, Johnny Carson hilarious.
 
2004-04-12 08:54:21 PM  
This is just an attempt by the right to take down what they view as a credible threat. The truth is that comedy and satire are effective weapons, which the left has made good use. They are much more effective than the content free, meaningless political ads most Americans see on television.
 
2004-04-12 08:54:39 PM  
Opinions are like a$$Hole$...

Everyone has one and nobody thinks their own stinks.
 
2004-04-12 08:55:54 PM  
What is it, post the stupidest story day? I'm sure I can find the movie where the guy bashes "friendster" for being a "loser network" or maybe submit the story about the ride through chernobyl.
 
2004-04-12 08:57:09 PM  
"New Republic"? Isn't that a weenie version of the National Review?
 
2004-04-12 08:57:15 PM  
It needs to be said more often. John Stewart is a tool.
 
2004-04-12 09:00:51 PM  
Also, it amazes me how some people (throughout the political spectrum) can find almost any justification for vilifying those that disagree with them.
 
2004-04-12 09:05:07 PM  
Jon is so overrated. Not sayin' he ain't funny but Craig was better. Much better. I bet Liz would blow him (Kilborn that is . . . and maybe Jon too, I don't know).

And who knows, perhaps Stalin was much more funny than history will ever give him credit for.

Vote Al Hamburg in 2004 ! ! !


And now I go back to the beer drinkin' . . .
 
2004-04-12 09:07:56 PM  
Who dares to hate my sweet Jon? You shall incur my wrath, sir!
 
2004-04-12 09:12:23 PM  
I have tuned in to John Stewart a few times because I have read so much press about him being so influential upon the political beliefs of young people. After having watched his show, the only reason I do not watch John Stewart now is because he is not funny. In fact he is boring.

Oh, he is silly and wacky, but then again so is Chevy Chase circa 1976.

Thank God the percentage of young people voting is so small. And how illustrative of the reason Democrats concentrate on getting the young to vote.
 
2004-04-12 09:12:58 PM  
Yes, just another guy they are trying to make sound incredible. His humor has truth to it...like when he showed the debate between Bush the gov. and Bush the prez. "I don't believe in nation building" here and then "I believe we must help build Iraq." Priceless humor.

video link
 
2004-04-12 09:13:42 PM  
"If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year at college."

"Those words went into my ear, and got stuck... in my brain."

Gotta love Lewis Black

/"Candy corn! Corn that tastes like candy..."
 
2004-04-12 09:15:03 PM  
2004-04-12 08:30:59 PM Creep Vassalage

I think this guy is just bitter that Dennis Miller's show is about as funny as dead air. I watched a few episodes and it was painful; he was the only one laughing at his opening jokes.


The sad thing is that Dennis Miller used to be funny. My roommates and I used to actually come home from the bars for a half hour on Friday nights to watch his HBO show. He used to do shows on topics like road rage, cell phones, male pattern baldness, etc. And even when he did take on political topics, he was never particularly extreme either way. When he did "the news", he would joke about all politicans, from Bill Clinton to Newt Gingrich, from Al Gore to Dick Armey. He was witty and intellectual; sure, he may have been a bit smarmy, but at least he was funny.

9/11 changed all of that. After 9/11, Miller's schtick quickly devolved into an endless stream of "bomb all the brown people", attacks on people (and countries) who dare to question President Bush's policies, and basic parroting of rhetoric that we hear every day from the White House. That's unfortunate, because Miller never used to be that way. Maybe 9/11 fundamentally changed him. Or maybe, like Rupert Murdoch, Miller is an opportunist who realized that there is a large market for "bomb all the brown people" and he's just trying to cash in.

Either way, I personally just don't find him funny any more.
 
2004-04-12 09:22:14 PM  
Gotta love Lewis Black

Lewis Black sucks. Bill Hicks was way better.

Thought I'd throw that out there before someone else beat me to it.

/I'm off the the gym (IHOP)
 
2004-04-12 09:25:58 PM  
People. Listen to me. The Daily Show is a comedy. That's why it's on...now get this...Comedy Central. It's not a real news show. If you think it qualifies, then Oh my crap.
 
2004-04-12 09:29:55 PM  
if you have to analyze comedy to that extent - then you have no farking clue what funny is.

i hope this fellow never writes anything ever again.
 
2004-04-12 09:31:52 PM  
Hammurderer
Lewis Black sucks. Bill Hicks was way better.


Wrong on the first point, correct on the second. 50% is a failing grade.
 
2004-04-12 09:33:38 PM  
I like how Lee Siegel likes to make himself sound distinguished by using Latin and French words in his work, like animal ridens or comique engage.

I think I should call him an asshat majoris.
 
2004-04-12 09:35:43 PM  
Hoo boy, you can tell which ones don't like having fun poked at their boys. I must think he's funny because I don't give a damn about who he's making fun of. Only news worth watching, whether it is or isn't news. I always thought they made fun of everybody but I guess you see what you want to. Going to take half a day for some of these guys to unwad their panties.
 
2004-04-12 09:36:27 PM  


Dear Comrade Stewart:

How's it going old friend? I thought you would find it interesting that I happen to know where a certain Lee Siegel is staying.

I'll have a couple of hard ass blue caps with blowtorch and pliars-- and an ice axe --on the way posthaste. Lee will bother us no longer!

I've always admired you, Jon, for a Jew.

I.S.
 
2004-04-12 09:43:34 PM  
To right wing jackoffs anyone who isn't another right wing jackoff is a communist
 
2004-04-12 09:46:58 PM  
SNL has been mocking the news and politicians for about 29 years.

Lorne Michaels must be the Lenin of the commie comedians.
 
2004-04-12 09:51:23 PM  
I think Jon Stewart and the Daily Show are the funniest show on television. Having said that... they would be even funnier if they skewered the left just as much as the right. It used to be that way, when Clinton was president. Then after 9/11, for many months, it was all about hating the terrorists. Then leading up to the war on Iraq, it started to change. Now the show seems to be very biased towards the liberals. I just think there is plenty to make fun of in both sides.

Speaking of biased news, we have left-biased and right-biased. Does anyone know of a libertarian/centrist news source? I've enjoyed Neal Boortz for a while now, but he seems to hate the left so much that he now sounds more like a republican than a libertarian. :-(
 
2004-04-12 09:51:37 PM  
Can't please everyone. Since I'm pleased, this isn't an issue.
 
2004-04-12 09:52:56 PM  
To continue my previous comment... SNL is a great example of a show that seems to skewer the left and the right in equal amounts. Too bad their writers are not as good as the Daily Show's.
 
2004-04-12 09:55:33 PM  
Warm and Fuzzy
In fact he is boring.

Well, that's like, your opinion man.

This paragraph, of which I've only posted half, is a beautiful textbook example of non-sequitur:

Laughter is the essence of individuality. Sobs sound alike, so do moans of pleasure and pain, so do terrified screams; but each person has his or her own laugh. A horror of individuation is why Stalin asked a group of Polish communists how Comrade Z was, and when they stared at the ground in silence, he burst into laughter because he and they knew that he had had Comrade Z killed a few days before; it is why the Uruguayan junta called the prison where it tortured and killed suspected leftists Libertad--those were instances of politics pursuing and catching laughter, and then having the Last--the eschatologically last--Laugh.

It's so absurd it's almost funny, if only the author had a sense of timing...
 
2004-04-12 09:56:08 PM  
The making fun of everyone is actually the problem. Some people don't have the ability to laugh at themselves or their own views. They also generally have one or more sacred issues that to make fun of it to incite a fight. So a comedian that rags on one side only is safe with them. The comedian is always saying things they agree with so they are happy. However those that mock whatever is going on at the time will eventually step on something they care about and piss them off.

This happened in the local paper where my folks live. The editor decided to cancel Doonesbury all of a sudden. He cited a couple reasons, the central one being it isn't funny and is one sided. However reading between the lines and learning more about the situation, turns out Doonesbury poked fun at something he cared about, and he got all outraged. Well if there's one thing Doonesbury isn't, it's one sided. Who ever is president get mocked with out mercy, anyone else that makes the news is also a potential target. Political lines don't have anything to do with it.

Just how it goes. I had a friend that quite liked Monty Python until someone showed her the Life of Brian. All of a sudden, they weren't funny anymore, and shouldn't be shown on TV, etc. The reason, of course, was that Christanity was one of her issues that you couldn't make fun of. It's not like that's the only thing they've ever done that pokes fun at it, but it's the most obvious. She just couldn't take it, and so decided they weren't funny.
 
2004-04-12 10:02:34 PM  
These days, a man's character can be measured by how viciously he's attacked by Conservtives.

At first I didn't give a spit about the Dixie Chicks, but when they showed more stones than the entire jounalism industry, I started listening to them. Now I have 3 of their albums.

The few times I've seen Stewart, I thought he was just okay (big laffs one nite, big yawn the next). But now that he's got the right-wingers' panties in a bunch, I may have to start paying more attention.
 
2004-04-12 10:03:48 PM  
2004-04-12 08:25:50 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress


SHUT UP, biatch, and fetch me a turkey pot pie!
 
2004-04-12 10:12:00 PM  
wow you know the daily show is making an impact when others attmept the make it by hanging on to the coat tails.

and you know it's right wing asshattery when they try to pin anyone left of them as commies.
 
2004-04-12 10:15:07 PM  
And now, Jon Stewart and his "Daily Show" are following the same trend.

except they've been following that "same trend" (political satire, etc.) since they started.

Who doesn't remember the award-winning "Indecision 2000"? =P
 
2004-04-12 10:27:17 PM  
the daily show still being around should be proof enough that it doesnt suck, comedy central cancels shows before they even get a second season most the time. we need more shows like the daily show i think, weekend update from snl should start a new show, call it weekday update. thats about the only part of snl i even enjoy anymore.
 
2004-04-12 10:28:23 PM  
Asteron
Pretty sure John, though a different name from Jonathan, is also jewish, as both John the Baptist and John the Apostle were jews themselves.

/way late
 
2004-04-12 10:28:45 PM  

Somebody post this asshats email address and/or the networks email address...I think a few farkers wouldn't mind sending an email to him or his network...
 
2004-04-12 10:29:18 PM  
I'll summarize the article for those of you who couldn't/didn't/wouldn't rtfa: Lee Seigel: "I tried to watch 'The Daily Show,' but I have no sense of humor. I don't get it."
 
2004-04-12 10:32:02 PM  
Hmmm... a dipshiat referencing the humor of Johnny Carson and satires of Richard Nixon doesn't find Jon Stewart funny.

I bet he doesn't like "That damn rap music" either ;-)
 
2004-04-12 10:34:10 PM  
I think he makes a very valid and honest point about the state of today's popular culture run society that is somewhat non-partisan. Anyone who can't look at something objectively and instantly attaches left/right labels is a complete moron.
/the daily show is NOT a news source
 
2004-04-12 10:39:47 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2004-04-12 08:25:50 PM Pre-Traumatic-Stress
SHUT UP, biatch, and fetch me a turkey pot pie!


Ha ha, I didnt think anybody got my Breakfast Club reference....
 
2004-04-12 10:40:43 PM  
Why is it that the party in power seems surprised when political satarists target them? If the Daily Show makes fun of Bush, it's because he's PRESIDENT. They lambasted Clinton all the freaking time, people! Get over it.
 
2004-04-12 10:48:51 PM  
Jon Stewart is not funny, an idiot, won't shut the fark up, and other idiots believe every thing that comes out of his mouth. Yep, that's Stalin.
 
2004-04-12 10:52:10 PM  
My favorite part of the article was when he claimed that John Stewart was paid off by Jukt Micronics with a lifetime subscription to Playboy and Penthouse.
 
2004-04-12 10:58:57 PM  
When I read Lee's article, I have to puke that people still think print's a more legitimate medium than Photoshop contests here. Hey, Lee, go rent "The Faculty" and wank off to the part where Jon gets offed with an x-acto knife to the eye. Better yet, pretend the creamy white stuff's... no, that's too easy.
 
2004-04-12 10:59:01 PM  
Well, to be honest, Stalin probably wasn't very funny.

/bring back Craig Kilborn!
 
2004-04-12 11:16:31 PM  
I had so much to say about this. I'll just include a paraphrase of something our author wrote:

This Republican douchebag Siegel, a true embodiment of human foible and folly, deserves to be manhandled by the spirit of laughter.
 
2004-04-12 11:19:55 PM  

Yeah, but if you really want funny news...


 
2004-04-12 11:21:38 PM  
That guy isn't fit to shine Jon Stewart's shoes..

Funny set = 0
 
2004-04-12 11:30:16 PM  
2004-04-12 01:28:20 PM Keith Moon

Someone must have had a big-ass serving of Haterade before sitting down at the old IBM Selectric...


You damn right, playa. This whitey be haterizing on Mr. Stewart's thuggin' and buggin.

B'lee dat, playa.

/Theodore R. Long, aka The Man.
 
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