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2001-12-29 02:12:05 AM
Coming from a family of Catholics and Southern Baptists.
My 2 ct spin is that abortion is a very very personal decision and should not be done lightly but it should be legal. Also as a male, I have no farkin decision in what a women does with her body and I find it funny when I see a man attacking abortion.

But there is no justification for a partial birth abortion as I truly beleive its infantcide. Sorry. This pill is a good thing.

My dad always wanted girls but had 3 sons and said that the only good thing about sons is that they don't get pregnant.
 
2001-12-29 02:12:27 AM
Nope, Kerouac, I deal with store people (remotely unlocking cash registers etc.) and office types who fark up their machines for HBC and Zellers.
 
2001-12-29 02:13:30 AM
Nightjars:

I wait for things to break and then laugh at the person who broke it.

Then basically we do the same thing.
 
2001-12-29 02:14:13 AM
oh. the real morons. my bad.
 
2001-12-29 02:14:28 AM
KentuckyBob: It's progeny, not prodigy.
 
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2001-12-29 02:14:51 AM
Your idea of 'fun' is nothing more than an excuse for hedonistic pleasure. I'm not going to recite the 'unwanted pregnancy/STD' diatribe because I'm assuming you have way informed on that. I debate this on a professional level quite a bit and I know serving and volleying it about here serves no purpose. To take it to a general context, the world and this country in particular is going to crap. Period. No moral structure to speak of. Standards that are dictated by the media. Special interest groups that make excuses instead of solutions. And by greasing the wheels of the anything-goes machine, you are contributing to the problem.
 
2001-12-29 02:14:53 AM
LordWatson - Woohoo, gotta love the night shift, eh?
 
2001-12-29 02:16:00 AM
For all you Canucks out there, you'll really get this reference:

On TLC right now, Exhibit A is on, dealing with a rape case, and sperm and DNA.

I mention this only to point out to Snapperhead over there that not all sex is 17 year-olds whooping it up without a care in the world.
 
2001-12-29 02:16:13 AM
This is also why masturbation should be a mandatory lesson in sex education, for those places that still allow sex ed. It's better to stain the walls and floors (and sometimes antique tabletops...wasn't me, man.) than erect another life form in a species that can't support it.
 
2001-12-29 02:16:32 AM
Permafrost - you're sort-of-right. Mostly right.

Look people can define pregnancy however they want - I don't particularly care.

The point is, the morning-after pill does not just supress ovulation. Most people are perfectly morally happy with supressing the release of eggs - fine, no biggie.

However, many people, and not just religiouse nuts, believe that an egg that has been fertilized is something very different from a egg and some sperm that never meet.

As I said, I'm pro-choice, but this is a moral choice for many people, and they should be making this decision with the right facts.

You are quite right about the time it takes for birth control pills to start working - usually 6 weeks is a good number. And taken regularly, they do indeed supress ovulation - no eggs to get fertilized. It's a delicate system though, and if a woman misses more than three days she should wait another month to begin taking the pills again (and should use condoms in the meantime).

Again, though, the morning-after pill, which is based on mostly the same 'ingredients' as regular birth control pills, does something very different. That jolt of hormones causes the uterus to dissallow the implantation of any firtilized eggs - quite a different thing that keeping the eggs from being released in the first place.

Having multiple nutty girlfriends and flakey female friends over the past few years has taught me a thing or two...

Oh, and when in doubt - GO AND SEE YOUR DOCTOR OR OBGYN!!!
 
2001-12-29 02:16:46 AM
There is SSSOOOO gonna be someone from the company I work for, which is huge, that will see this thread, and I'm gonna be in shiat for spending too much time at this.
 
2001-12-29 02:19:07 AM
HEY - I figured this out. Point/Snapperhead is a nurse at humber College.

I interviewed a nurse there for the school paper for a story on roofies. I asked her what students should do if they think they've been drugged.

She refused to answer because she said it would encourage drinking.

I'm curious, Toit, when exactly WERE the good ol' days? WWII? The Greeat Depression? Slavery and the Underground Railroad? I must have missed it.
 
2001-12-29 02:19:32 AM
Life begins at conception
Life begins at first heartbeat
Life begins at brain activity
Life begins in 2nd trimester
Life begins at birth
Life begins at 21
Life begins at 40

Show of hands, which is correct?
 
2001-12-29 02:19:46 AM
I mention this only to point out to Snapperhead over there that not all sex is 17 year-olds whooping it up without a care in the world.
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It doesn't matter to them how old the individual is that will be taking care of it, or under what circumstances the feet-us was created, sobbingly and broken under daddy, or boyfriend, or brother, or stranger...or whatever circumstances...
 
2001-12-29 02:20:47 AM
Nightjars: I have noticed that only young people work the nightshift because:

a. The older people have seniority and work days.
b. Older people don't have the stamina to switch to day shifts here and there, their internal clocks get too farked up.

Nightshift rules. Far less calls than during the day.
 
2001-12-29 02:21:00 AM
and men, a vassectomy only costs $200 and like 20 minutes
think about it

$200 and your lunchbreak could prevent soooo much worry over the rest of your life. And it (they) only hurt for about a day. Worth it.
 
2001-12-29 02:22:11 AM
LordWatson - Haha.. I'm actually mostly here for the shift differential, but the others are valid reasons as well :P~
 
2001-12-29 02:23:31 AM
But Dave - I may want to have kids later.

Qualifying statement: I've used protection every time I've ever had sex. Someohw, I entered a time warp and got moral standards of some kind, apparently before they all disappeared.
 
2001-12-29 02:24:52 AM
Already got the big V covered on our end. Have two orclings, and that's all I need to infect the world with in my lifetime. It's nice not having to worry about when we can and can't hump.
 
2001-12-29 02:26:25 AM
Big Dave have you gotten one, because I have and it hurt like hell during and after (for about a week) had to sleep with an ice pack down there.

And, it cost the insurance company about $900, I paid $15


BTW guys I work nights too and I wouldn't trade it for anything!
 
2001-12-29 02:27:16 AM
Life begins at conception
Life begins at first heartbeat
Life begins at brain activity
Life begins in 2nd trimester
Life begins at birth
Life begins at 21
Life begins at 40


I don't even have a life. As stated above I work nights and sleep days. My life will begin when:

A)I get a promotion or a real job.
B) I stop telling people that I don't have a girlfriend (I do.)
C) I stop hanging out at the frat house (I'm an alumnus)
D) My parents stop giving me money every time I ask.
 
2001-12-29 02:27:45 AM
Kids are actually the best form of birth control. Not only would I now think twice about having unprotected sex, it is hard enough just doin anything with the wife without the baby crying.
 
2001-12-29 02:28:09 AM
LordWatson: he knows what he is doing
 
2001-12-29 02:30:08 AM
Who knows what who is doing??
 
2001-12-29 02:30:21 AM
Kerouac, so do I. I had some of the 'boys' frozen - safely waiting for me and future-wife to mature (I'm 22 and no way in hell should I have a kid). That was an extra $50, and $20/year after that.

THAT part of the proceedure took less than 20 minutes, ahem.

Anyway, the reversal rates for vassectomys are very good, and they can still collect sperm even if you don't have a full reversal.

I think of it this way - it makes sex a whole lot simpler - no freaking out when the condom breaks, and when I actually go out with someone for more than a month (which would be a seriouse girlfriend) then I can trust that they are clean (I know I am) and we don't have to mess with any kind of birth control at all. It was taken care of waaay before. Makes things easier.
No worry. No paternity suits. And chicks dig it (really, of course I do live in a very liberal part of California, go figure).
 
2001-12-29 02:30:28 AM
I hear ya Grivas


Cheers!
 
2001-12-29 02:30:57 AM
LordWatson -

You're scaring me. I have passed steps 1 and 4 this year (July)stopped hanging out at school a while ago. I still do #2 when I'm hooked up - but i'm single now. Argh! I'm old!

Anyway, most people have reasons for being up right now. Most of you are at work, at Point there obviously has nothing to do because sex is BAAAAAAAAD.

I, however, will hold all of you personally responsible if I don't go to bed, as I got cable a month ago explicitly so I could watch the World Juniors.

Canada - Russia, 9 a.m.

I'll try not to enjoy my hedonistic carefree life too much while I sleep.
 
2001-12-29 02:33:04 AM
yea haw goin to ca. oh wait allready got my nutz cutz.
 
2001-12-29 02:35:14 AM
JOHNDX - I had mine done when I was 19 - after finding out that my crazy girlfriend whom I had just broken up with had stopped taking her birth control pills (and antidepressants!) severel times during our relationship. Went to my doc the next day. Operation two days later.

My insurrance wouldn't cover it (stupid - it's much less than a childbirth) but it was only $200 anyway, plus the extra I mentioned. Didn't hurt much during, but yeah, I had a bag of ice on my sack for the next two days, but it stopped being painful after a night's sleep.

Guys should at least talk to their docs about this.
 
2001-12-29 02:35:19 AM
yes i am a red neck
 
2001-12-29 02:38:51 AM
Hopefully life begins at 30, since I have a real job, sort of (IT at Enron - pretty much over there playin the violin while the ship sinks), have a wife and a daughter (no stamina left for a girlfriend), haven't seen my frat house since we got kicked off campus (alcohol-related fatality) and while my parents are good for an annual donation, I stopped asking years ago.

And the worst part is, I was off today and got drunk, but fell asleep in the early evening and am now up with a hangover.

When will they just come up with the "morning-after" buzz restorer, so you can wake up and go right back to the state of inebriation you went to bed with.

Damn you, bourbon!
 
2001-12-29 02:42:14 AM
Enron? Are you panicking?
 
2001-12-29 02:42:27 AM
Grivas, JOHNDX, ah fellow Houstonians.
Your Rockets suck hind tit.
 
2001-12-29 02:42:35 AM
. Roman Empire

Wow, look what they accomplished..

must be nothing right.. cause have many hundred years they went away.. and fell....

lets not think of the technological advancements.. or how powerful they were.. or how the romans were far superior to anything that would come in the next thousand in a half years

I say... Lets remember that they fell..
 
2001-12-29 02:42:45 AM
One more for you Canadians.

Ever noticed the Bata Shoe Museum on Bloor St? Ever wondered "why the hell do we have a shoe museum?"


TLC just used the Bata Shoe Museum to match up a print and solve a crime.


odd.
 
2001-12-29 02:45:55 AM
Panic seems like it was months ago. It is pretty much now like being 3 hours into a crappy 4 hour movie. It sucks, but you have sat through so much that you need the closure.

And yeah, the Rockets aren't good and neither are the Lastros. GO TEXANS!
 
2001-12-29 02:46:06 AM
My old frat house is like five doors down from the Bata Museum Kerouac. I walked by it every day for years. It's one of those Toronto landmarks(?) no one from Toronto has ever been to.
 
2001-12-29 02:46:42 AM
Mr.Jefferson Davis yes indeed
 
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2001-12-29 02:49:18 AM
I'm talking about the moral context you dink. Hell, Hitler built the Autobahn. Does that make him 'right'? The moral, religious and familial fabric of the Roman Empire was rotten at best. Sure the government may have been substantial, the intellectuals may have flourished, etc, but the basic foundation of any empire, is it's people. You start rotting those small bricks away and in time, your mighty wall of accomplishment comes crumbling. Ala the Roman Empire and it's ilk.
 
2001-12-29 02:49:44 AM
Your idea of 'fun' is nothing more than an excuse for hedonistic pleasure. I'm not going to recite the 'unwanted pregnancy/STD' diatribe because I'm assuming you have way informed on that. I debate this on a professional level quite a bit and I know serving and volleying it about here serves no purpose. To take it to a general context, the world and this country in particular is going to crap. Period. No moral structure to speak of. Standards that are dictated by the media. Special interest groups that make excuses instead of solutions. And by greasing the wheels of the anything-goes machine, you are contributing to the problem.


Sound just like Socrates did when he spoke of the youth of his time.

If you believe that, hide or change it.

But saying anything here probably wont get far in the grand scheme of things..
 
2001-12-29 02:50:56 AM
Yes, Because if you loose your religion.. all else fails?
 
2001-12-29 02:51:33 AM
lose.. grar!!
 
2001-12-29 02:52:27 AM
Methinks our dot is part of an *ahem* larger organisation.

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Look familiar??, It's your home dot. You belong right in the middle.
 
2001-12-29 02:54:09 AM
After a night of ass-raping flaming on Fark our dot goes from:

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to:

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Ouch. That looks painful dot.
 
2001-12-29 02:54:40 AM
LOL!
 
2001-12-29 02:55:37 AM
Show of hands, who here has ever gotten/accompanied someone to get an abortion?
 
2001-12-29 02:57:19 AM
I've accompanied somebody.. but it wasn't my child nor my decision.. I was just uhm moral support I guess.
 
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2001-12-29 02:57:24 AM
Good point LZombie. Saying anything here is fruitless. Not because it falls on deaf ears, but because the die has been cast and the world is on it's own course. Like water, corruption follows the path of least resistance. With close to 6 billion people on the earth and the majority of those only looking out for themselves, I'd have to say that, well, hold on. It's going to be one bumpy ride. Take the pills, abort the 'cellular masses', and do whatever you feel like. At this point, it really doesn't matter.

Only a principled few will strive to adhere to a set of standards. Those are like the musicians who played while the Titanic went under.
 
2001-12-29 02:57:37 AM
Jeez...Rockets 17 game losing streak. Hakeem says we're worthless.
My alma mater, U of Houston goes winless for the first time in 56 years.
Astros and the honey bees bow out again , 0-7 in MLB playoffs.
Oilers become Titans and go to Super Bowl.

Hell, I'm a farkin sports loser ....sighs
 
2001-12-29 02:58:48 AM
I support these morning after pills,but oppose abortion past the time the fetus's heart starts to beat,since I consider it to be a helpless,living organism at that time.For the record,I don't really like or want kids,but it's not right in my eyes to destory them.Vasectomies sound pretty damn interesting.Never worry about kids again,and the possibility of reversal if necessary or wanted.
-K2 "Don't kill,wrap your snake and pop a pill"

P.S. I am not a religious zealot.I mean,I'm listening to Deicide right now!
 
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