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(The Hindu)   Indian software company Infosys to begin outsourcing jobs to the U.S.   (hinduonnet.com) divider line 123
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2004-04-08 12:02:32 PM
The jobs they made in the US are sales postions.

"The company's American employees would advise U.S. corporations on improving their efficiency by embracing outsourcing and moving work to Infosys' offices in India."

That's not a reversal of a trend. That's expansion.
 
2004-04-08 12:14:04 PM
Funny how things like this work eh?
 
2004-04-08 12:48:52 PM
Not surprising. More jobs come into the U.S. due to outsourcing than go in the other direction.
 
2004-04-08 01:01:40 PM
"What is this? What do you say on my telephone to me? Do you even speak Gujarati, you pale-skinned dufus?"
 
2004-04-08 01:10:58 PM
The company's American employees would advise U.S. corporations on improving their efficiency by embracing outsourcing and moving work to Infosys' offices in India.

Sounds to me like they are hiring 500 Americans with the sole purpose of helping to send even more jobs to India.
 
2004-04-08 01:14:07 PM
meh.
they outsource our jobs to India, and India outsources them back to us.
sounds like a huge laundering scam if ya ask me.
heh... *smacks self in head*
duh, m0ppy - the [OBVIOUS] tag would fit here.
 
2004-04-08 01:34:44 PM
nice use of the 'irony' tag. kudos.
 
2004-04-08 01:36:53 PM
Wow, that sure is poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended.
 
2004-04-08 01:39:09 PM
Yeah story headline should read we are outsourcing so many jobs we need to hire people to sell sell sell.....

So 500 Americans are hired after 30,000 American jobs are cut to be outsourced to these indian firms. Anyone who tries to spin this any other way needs help.
 
2004-04-08 01:40:00 PM
Yes sir, no sir, hot dog hot dog. . .Thank you come again
 
2004-04-08 01:40:07 PM
HAHAHAHAAAAA. This is hilarious
 
2004-04-08 01:40:49 PM
Note that they are business consulting jobs, not engineering/IT, and the idea is that these Americans will be convincing companies to outsource more jobs to India.

If they are not successful, the consultant jobs will naturally be eliminated.
If they are successful, more outsourcing, so it's still going to be a net job loss overall.

Rah, rah, go team!
 
2004-04-08 01:41:23 PM
/RTFA: Doesn't think it's funny anymore...
 
2004-04-08 01:42:19 PM
Did they count correctly? If you count 435 Members of congress and the 100 senators you get 535.
 
2004-04-08 01:43:58 PM
Committee member Russell Wallace said the competition left no room for political correctness. Women would be in the kitchen where they belonged, he quipped.

Initially there was some talk of a women's only wet t-shirt competition.


/this guys re-election is in the bag
 
2004-04-08 01:44:22 PM
everyone pay close attention to little miss's post, I can already see that some people are not grasping what this 'hiring' really means.

bluntly speaking: they are hiring 500 people to take even more jobs out of the country. Which is even worse than not creating any jobs at all!
 
2004-04-08 01:45:25 PM
Yeah, this is not a good thing or in any way beneficial to US workers... it's only 500 jobs, and these positions will be filled for the sole purpose of sending MORE jobs to India.

Yep, that outsourcing, sure is a win-win situation!
 
2004-04-08 01:45:42 PM
"500 consulting jobs in the United States", not sales jobs.

"Indian outsourcing companies have previously set up offices in the United States, but they have been largely restricted to marketing and have created very few jobs."

In other words, now that they have our jobs, they need advice on how to spend the money.

30,000 out, 500 in? not good.
 
2004-04-08 01:47:59 PM
TommyymmoT - doubt its that. More like after the existing Sales team meets, they hire consultants to interface with the customer in English in the same timezone. Product Managers, etc.
 
2004-04-08 01:50:22 PM
What is so surprising about it? They have been making Toyotas for export to Japan using cheap American labor for years, because the Japanese don't want to do such menial work.
 
2004-04-08 01:50:41 PM
We should cancel our free trade policies so they can't do that.
 
2004-04-08 01:52:40 PM
So I guess I should stop writing software for export to the Australian market? After all, they've "outsourced" my job from Australia to America...
 
2004-04-08 01:54:31 PM
I'm confused. It seems like they are creating 500 American jobs and that's a good thing. Is that an incorrect conclusion? Please, someone, help me out.
 
2004-04-08 01:54:45 PM
BooHoo...I went to college on borrowed money and now somebody owes me a job!

It's called life...deal with it...
 
2004-04-08 01:55:31 PM
"What is so surprising about it? They have been making Toyotas for export to Japan using cheap American labor for years, because the Japanese don't want to do such menial work."

Actually, they make cars over here so that they can dodge import tariffs. Good try though!
 
2004-04-08 01:57:10 PM
the headline certainly has that ring to it, but if you RTFA you must conclude that the more appropriate tag would be .

/just MHO, not that anybody really cares...
 
2004-04-08 01:57:16 PM
So do you guys think the people of India are going to start crying like little whiny biatches because of the outsourcing of jobs? Are the Indian council people going to be platforming to save jobs?

On the other side of the coin: Should people who biatch about outsourcing be allowed to take these jobs? They biatch when someone else takes another job overseas, lets see what they do when they are offered a job here from another country.
 
2004-04-08 01:58:38 PM
I was thinking the same thing when I read that little miss
 
2004-04-08 01:58:44 PM
Indian software company Infosys to begin outsourcing jobs to the U.S.

I call BULLshiat!

Half the Engineers in my company work for Infosys. They are occupying jobs that could be done by Americans. They are one of the BIGGEST recipients of outsourced jobs.

This is just a ploy to get more H1 visas for the company.
 
2004-04-08 01:58:45 PM
Ah...Having your job shipped overseas. I can't wait until mine goes. Then I can pursue that career I've always dreamed about where I serve the public in a highly visible position that is loaded with responsibility and gives a great feeling of pride in a job well done.

Let me practice for my interview for this great new career..

"Would you like fries with that?"
 
2004-04-08 01:59:09 PM
As usual, nobody understand economics on Fark. The jobs these outsourcing companies create aren't supposed to make up for all the jobs lost due to outsourcing. Rather, they are a small part of the overall trend to have increased job creation in response to increased trade. Please, somebody crack an econ textbook and look this stuff up --- the stupidity is getting tiresome.
 
2004-04-08 01:59:39 PM
One county government here in PA is getting ready to RAISE taxes.

The reason? All the jobs that were outsourced to India has resulted in a major reduction in tax revenue that must be made up in some other fashion.

Apparently the "manufacturing" positions created at Burger King don't put the same level of tax revenue to allow for such luxuries as police and fire protection.

Yep, outsourcing is truly the wave of the future: Fewer jobs at lower wages to go with the higher taxes.
 
2004-04-08 02:01:03 PM
news has caused panic among those depending on unemployment in the U.S.
 
2004-04-08 02:02:10 PM
economic textbook? wutz that? *takes out fake set of teef and puts them on the nightstand*
 
2004-04-08 02:02:50 PM
I think little miss and muhpet nailed it.

/Goes off to practice, "Would you like fries with that?" in the mirror.
 
2004-04-08 02:03:14 PM
CarlofET - "We should cancel our free trade policies so they can't do that."

Which are those exactly. And do you honest believe a trade war over the flow of software is in the US's interest?
 
2004-04-08 02:04:11 PM
ablaize

You beat me to it!
 
2004-04-08 02:05:02 PM
From today's Associated Press article:

"...up to 25 percent of lost wages translate to lost tax revenue, by conventional accounting methods. So if 3.3 million white-collar jobs and $136 billion in wages move overseas by 2015 as Forrester Research predicts, that means federal, state and local tax reciepts could decline as much as $34 billion."

Their words, not mine, and I make no claims as to Forrester Research's bona fides. THey could be a front for the Onion as far as I know, but, talk to the AP about fact-checking.
 
2004-04-08 02:05:16 PM
...John Kerry Surrenders
 
2004-04-08 02:05:56 PM
Honda and BMW also make a lot of items here that are for export exclusively. Honda has a huge engine R&D facility in Ohio, along with some motorcycles that are also exported. BMW has similar operations.
 
2004-04-08 02:06:21 PM
All of this as planned for, and brought to you, by your current Republican Congress and administration.

Thank you.
 
2004-04-08 02:06:40 PM
Well, I'm off to reapply for my shiatty security guard job again. So glad I got $40K worth of student loans so I could earn this nifty CS degree!
 
2004-04-08 02:06:49 PM
I have the solution, take the value of the dollar and send it through the basement floor. Make it 30,000 dollars to a rupee.
 
2004-04-08 02:07:30 PM
The sad part is how real it is right now. There are 8 Hindis up the aisle from me that are here to learn our companies processes and then go back to India to teach their coworkers so jobs can begin being moved. Sure, they're nice guys and just trying to make a living as well, but it doesn't make it suck any less.
 
2004-04-08 02:08:32 PM
If it gets bad enough, maybe we can go where the work is and OVERRUN THEI-

Oh, well, nevermind. India has so many people the entire population of America could move there and barely make a fringe political party.
 
2004-04-08 02:10:03 PM
Telos - what was it in? Don't say English Lit.
 
2004-04-08 02:11:49 PM
Actually if you crack a econ textbook, or the Wall Street Journal, you will see that outsourcing is actually good for the economy. Outsourcing leads to cheaper goods, which means more money in the pockets of consumers. Also, technology can become more advanced if several different groups are working on it. This is true for medical technology also. Jobs will come back because comapnies can sell goods for less and make a higher profit. This means they will open more jobs.

Also historically outsourcing has been around forever. If you remember where was the US getting is workforce from during the late 1800s and early 1900s? You guess right if you said from other countries. They lost huge chunks of their workforce, but over time they were able to rebound.

Third, I have a job so this is obviously going to taint my opinion somewhat. I am sure if my job got outsourced tomorrow, I might be sining a different tune.
 
2004-04-08 02:14:28 PM
You guys aren't looking at the big picture. This is expected, of course, since the democratic party has miseducated and mislead the American people for their own political agenda.

Here comes the science: Strategic outsourcing helps companies become more productive and competitive, and creates more new jobs than it takes away. After NAFTA was passed in the early ninties, IT outsourcing took off, and in fact led the way for our "dot com boom" several years later.


Fun facts about outsourcing:

* Worldwide sourcing of IT increases total employment in the United States and generated an additional 90,000 U.S. jobs last year.

* By 2008, net new jobs created by outsourcing will total 317,000.

* Cost savings and use of offshore resources lower inflation, increase productivity and lower interest rates. This trend boosts spending and increases economic activity.


Here's a reference source to get you started:
Nobel Economist Praises IT Outsourcing



/Keep in mind, I'm a software developer who has beed "outsourced" out of a job before.
 
2004-04-08 02:14:49 PM
Infosys creates 500 jobs to help them get more revenue. Every company does that.
Outsourcing isn't going to stop if Infosys dies, or if Infosys doesn't hire "consultants". Infosys is just looking after itself, just as IBM, GE, and everyone else is. It's capitalism. Blaming India or Infosys for outsourcing is like blaming Phillip Morris for killing people. It has been done. But the fact is that people refuse to acknowledge the warnings.
 
2004-04-08 02:15:11 PM
Also if you guys were true liberals and humanitarians, you would support outsourcing because it is raising third world countries out of poverty.

\Just throwing that out there to make you think in a more global sense.
 
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