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(C|Net)   Microsoft gets patent for putting a hard drive in a gaming console and for using descriptive filenames   ( divider line
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2004-04-08 12:28:03 PM  
First off, I RTFA but I'm not sure if I understand what exactly they patented. If it is just their particular method of saving games to an internal HD, I understand why they did this. Apple copyrighted the file management for iPod, no reason Microsoft shouldn't get to do this for their X-Box. If their patent makes them the only company that can make a system with an internal, nonremovable HD, it would be rediculous. Harddrives (eventually just flash memory) are going to be a very important part to consols, and taking away the option for a built in HD is pretty asinine of MS.
2004-04-08 04:58:49 PM  
What's an X-Box?
2004-04-08 04:59:50 PM  
The Guinea Pigs wrote:

j00 give us t3h chic0ry and t3h 5pinaCH 0r w3 h4x0r j00r

I couldn't have said it better myself.
2004-04-08 04:59:54 PM  
OMGOMG teh Microsft suxors!!11!
2004-04-08 05:01:10 PM  
How about getting a patent on shiat that works?
2004-04-08 05:01:21 PM  
Slow news day, I guess....
2004-04-08 05:02:17 PM  
Their next patent is the color blue.

"But we use it in a radical new way"
2004-04-08 05:02:55 PM  
Hrmm, prior art would be Killer Instinct 1 (console with a hard drive) and that damn golf game that's everywhere..
2004-04-08 05:03:45 PM  
Not a bad idea to have removable memory that the box can't function without. Then you can sell cheap-o HDs with 10gb and tier them on up to 250gb (with appropriate price increases)
2004-04-08 05:04:18 PM  
It seems like the patent system is getting abused more and more these days. The problem, the way I see it, is that the patent researchers leave the burden of proof on the holder of prior art. They seem to grant invalid patents on common things and leave it up to others to contest them. The problem with this, is that individuals and smaller companies don't have the money to go up against large companies like Microsoft to fight the patent in court. "Descriptive file names!" Come on, next MS is going to try to trademark common words like, "windows".
2004-04-08 05:04:24 PM  
Aren't hard drives available for the PS2? There's certainly a big empty ol' drive bay in there.
2004-04-08 05:06:46 PM  
i own the letter "R"
2004-04-08 05:08:40 PM  
I think there's already prior art in this thread, AlgertMan.
2004-04-08 05:08:45 PM  
Their next patent is the color blue.

I think IBM already holds that patent.
2004-04-08 05:09:07 PM  
It shouldn't be too difficult for other companies like Nintedo to prove prior art, especially when Nintendo has patent 6,468,160, "Security System for Video Game System with Hard Disk Drive and Internet Access Capability" which certainly (at least in my eyes) proves that they're planning on having some sort of hard drive in their next console. Even if they didn't directly patent the idea of a hard drive, I picture the court proceedings between Microsoft, Nintendo, and a judge going something like this:

Microsoft: Well, your honor, we've patented using a hard drive in a console! See?

Judge: Okay, Nintendo, how do you respond?

Nintendo: Well, your honor, we have a patent for a security system for a video game system with hard disk drive and internet access capability which, while not a patent on using a hard drive itself, certainly shows that we planned on doing so long before Microsoft filed for their patent!

Judge: Case dismissed!
2004-04-08 05:09:36 PM  
My father invented the question mark.

/let's get THAT out of the way
2004-04-08 05:09:59 PM  
There mere fact that every XBOX is sold at a loss is almost enough to convince me to buy one.

2004-04-08 05:10:03 PM  
Why is this getting a stupid tag? The patent includes a degree of design specificity, it's not as if it precludes other manufacturers can't make consoles with hdd's. If you read enough details on the patent, it goes into naming convention, file storage method and so on, it's not a patent that says "only xbox gets to have hard drives suxx0rs".
2004-04-08 05:10:11 PM  
Did Bill Gates patent his shiatty haircut, or just copyright it?
2004-04-08 05:10:30 PM  
i also own "the pepper bar"
2004-04-08 05:10:58 PM  
Next up, Xbox is going to get the patent for suckness.
2004-04-08 05:12:24 PM  
fark yooz, you all owe me a quarter for using the letter "R" in both captial non non-capital forms
2004-04-08 05:13:03 PM  
Oh yeah! I hold the patent on the letter "E"
2004-04-08 05:14:14 PM  
Now I gotta change my name to BeeZombie...
2004-04-08 05:14:40 PM  
fark that mylow, i'll just use the number 3 instead, my uncle jimmy owns it, and says i can use it for free
2004-04-08 05:14:52 PM  
I only want $.05 for each time it is used
2004-04-08 05:15:18 PM  
Make that BZombi (at lyst it still sounds the Saim)
2004-04-08 05:16:06 PM  
The on-board hard drive is one of the cool things about my Xbox. Next thing they'll tell me is that the next-gen console is going to have a different chip manufacturer that'll eliminate backward compatibility of the games I love playing right now...

/Phone for me? Hello?
2004-04-08 05:16:06 PM  
Who's going to patent the concept of applying for patents?

Beat THAT M$!
2004-04-08 05:17:39 PM  
See AlgertMan you allready ow me $.35 so :P
2004-04-08 05:17:44 PM  
XBOX is way biatches know that
/caful not to us patntd lttas
2004-04-08 05:18:28 PM  
In other news, Microsoft patents money.

All of it
2004-04-08 05:18:48 PM  
Thank heaven this is Fark instead od Slashdot, because by now most of the post would be plugging the benefits of Linux.
2004-04-08 05:21:17 PM  
2004-04-08 05:24:54 PM  
I hereby declare my intention to patent a dvd player that contains a free dvd already inside it.

And 50 cents for mylow.
Damn, now it's 55 c3nts. Bloody h3ll.
2004-04-08 05:26:29 PM  
Well, I patented 1 and 0... so I'm making a killing off all these digital files.

2004-04-08 05:27:30 PM  
Gates learned well by stealing so much shiat from Xerox and Apple that he patents EVERYTHING.
2004-04-08 05:29:57 PM  
I have an example of prior art that would negate this patent sitting in my basement, and in my office, and my son's room.

I'll bet most of us have a few "prior art examples" lying around.

Hell, I'm typing this message on one example.


/didn't rtfa
2004-04-08 05:31:40 PM  
2004-04-08 04:58:49 PM mryoop789

What's an X-Box?

WHAAAT?! You don't know what an X-Box is?!?!?!

/Stinkoman 20x6
2004-04-08 05:32:08 PM  
"From today forward, anybody caught using anything other than 8.3 will be sued."
2004-04-08 05:32:19 PM  
That damn golf game that's everywhere.. Golden Tee for life!!!
2004-04-08 05:34:15 PM  
The patent was *filed* March 9, 2001 and obviously refers to the original Xbox. CNet needs to get its collective thumb out of its ass.
2004-04-08 05:37:12 PM  
Or it could be they want one more charge to file against people who mod their Xboxes: patent violation.
2004-04-08 05:42:52 PM  
1. Microsoft does anything
2. /. linux worshippers go batshiat
3. Small amounts of /. batshiat get posted to Fark as news
4. Farkers don't RTFA, as usual
5. Huge anti-Microsoft flamewar ensues because my Windows 95 machine crashed this one time and I lost my Quake 2 saves, so Microsoft suxxxxx04s

2004-04-08 05:43:40 PM  
Curioslyabsent is right.

I read most of the patent, in which they refer to the object being patented specifically as the "X-box." The patent process isn't instantaneous, which is why you see so many products with "patent pending."
2004-04-08 05:44:33 PM  
I thought that the XBOX having a hard drive was common knowledge, at least in the tech world...

The article seems to treat it like a revelation...
2004-04-08 05:51:52 PM  
can i patent microsoft applying for an original patent, there seems to be no previous example, not that it will ever happen so i'll get nothing

oh well
2004-04-08 05:54:25 PM  
Part of the problem with the whole "they're patenting everything" discussion is people going off about patent descriptions without knowing what they're talking about. The article says its a patent on "methods for storing data about games in progress" which is not at all about patenting hard drives in computers.

The reason it's "news" (sort of) is because there's been a lot of discussion about how memory will be handled in X-Box 2. There've been rumors, hard drive, no hard drive. This is evidence on the side that there will indeed be a hard drive in the next edition. Okay, it's not really very much like news at all. Go ahead and get back to making lame jokes about how you're going to patent the sun or something.
2004-04-08 05:58:14 PM  
This from the company that has been told by a judge that they don't own the word "windows" because the word was in use before Microsoft existed -- but is suing for stealing their word anyway
2004-04-08 05:58:35 PM  
Next thing you know, Microsoft is going to try to patent crappy ass consoles.

"You see your honor, we hold a patent on crappy ass consoles and Sony is infringing on our patent".

/Nintendo Fanboy
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