Bauer, that's cute. You essentially say your're right no matter what.

Of course, you follow it up with an asshat comment:

"bush used americas might to get rid of saddam for 'zionist' israel...and iraqis will not let up as long as bush is in power."

We should call this the Bauer fark syndrome, when good people are infected with stupidity and unfounded generalizations.

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2004-04-04 11:17:09 PM Xtremehkr


Wizzywig


Besides, Saddam has killed more than that many people in one day.

That's pretty hard to spin, no matter which way up you try and hold the history book.

I demand a retraction!

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Don't hold your breath. What I said requires no spin. It wouldn't be something you could comprehend.

Don't hold your breath. What I said requires no spin. It wouldn't be something you could comprehend.

Weaver95's very own protege.

-they fear the mahdi.

i don't believe him to be osama bin laden.

he is yet unknown...to me.

I have the rarest most vilest distinction
To be the namer of mandkind's extinction
Regarding this as yet unknown and unnamed's
Stripped incognito to me's now blamed:
His name is Phineas Wayne Del D'Ammato
And lives outside Cleveland and grows green tomatoes.

goflight

WHAT THE fark DID BUSH SR., AND STORMIN'NORMAN, THINK WOULD HAPPEN???


exactly what is happening now. which is why they didn't press forward.

that's 'nation(s)'...with an 's'.

there are many who posess the will and the way to destroy israel.

but yet none have done so.

it will not happen until the time is nigh.

-or perhaps when people are pushed into a corner with no way out.

either way...it will be gods will...not mans.

israels' greartest concern is that someone will unite the arab world and cut them off.

Sorry, I dont thinK Israel is afraid of the Arab world. They could stomp a mud hole in their asses. They aready did it once when they were horribly outnumbered.

Remember that? The invasion were Israel beat them back for attacking and people had the nerve to biatch because they kept some of the land?

Actually I do believe the Israeli's are being assholes, but probably for different reasons than you.

And I think they should pull out of their occupied lands the same day Jordan and Syria pull our of the palestinian lands they hold.

No Israel is afraid of the lone bomber. Just like us.

I need someone to explain something to me. Why do some people make statements to the effect of "let's nuke all the ragheads" when they supported invading Iraq in the first place? If you're going to invade and occupy a country, aren't casualties to be expected? This isn't a statement for or against the Iraq War, just a question about a post-trend I've noticed on fark.

The US deaths from 2.5 years of multiple wars is about 25% of the deaths from one day of peace time of legally boarded Muslim airplane passengers with box cutters.

Bauer, sorry if I'm incorrect, but did you just use God's name in talking about the eventual destruction of the "asshole Isrealis"?

in regards to prior post:

Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome.

George Bush... H W, Bush, that is.

Keep in mind, maintenance of a mobilized army costs much less than packing up and shipping everyone back halfway across the world.

You still have to add the prolonged maintenance to the eventualy withdrawel costs.

Though guess who profits more the longer the military is mobilized?

Father_Jack

"Baerenfotze mit Wappe (outstanding nick name, i'd never heard that, nearly peed my pants laughing when i read that)"

Yeah, that had me howling, too. The East German dude that let us into the Kleidungskammer was amused at my mirth, and held the thing up.
"Well, LOOK at it!"

This was the same guy that.. well, okay. My second week at Robotron.
Mid-day break, downing the Muggefugg that passed for coffee with the other workers. Juergen and I were the strangers from the West (Juergen from Berlin, and me from Franken).
This dude said to me: "I've noticed that you have an accent; where are you from?"

Juergen claped his hand over my mouth (ouch), and challenged: "GUESS where he's from!"

The east Germans were guessing England, or possibly Holland.

Juergen: "Nope. He's from the U.S.A., just like John Wayne!"

The guy that asked the question slammed his coffee cup down on the table, and put his face down on it, arms wrapped around his head. His body wracked; I couldn't tell if he was laughing or crying.

He finally looked up, tears of laughter streaming from his eyes.

"If somebody had told me a year ago, that in a year I'd be sitting here having coffee with an American, I'd have told them that they were out of their freaking skull!"

We got to be pretty tight. I'm sure that now, all these years later, that this person remembers me.

heap

Too bad George W. Bush isn't as wise as George H. Bush.

sh

-archimedes640...i said i know the 'difference' between right and wrong.

reguardless of any religion...it is wrong to kill people and steal from them.

right?

bush played it all wrong...and slowly, people all over this world will rise up against him, and his followers.

there will be no peace with bush in office.

-there is a common good...and bush is not 'it'.

Heap, the US has always had blatant disregard for UN policy, not only in war situations like this, but also in the environment.

In this case, though, we need to choose between "barren" and "hostile". No nation can be both, it just doesn't make sense. I seriously doubt that other Arab nations will have much resistance to the US. If you note recent insurgencies against US policies in the US (namely Egypt and Syria's attacks on Israel *with help from Libya and Jordan* that were crushed), you'll know that all we have to lose from an occupation would be a handful of armed forces (who are doing their job.

As far as the fiscal facet of occupation goes, Iraq is fundamentally different from another nation. That said other ation won't have oil.

CHARMSCHOOL
The US deaths from 2.5 years of multiple wars is about 25% of the deaths from one day of peace time of legally boarded Muslim airplane passengers with box cutters.

and the US military has killed 15 thousand arabs and pashtuns + who did nothing more than get born in the wrong country.

we're not the only people who've lost civilians recently, lets not forget that too.

reguardless of any religion...it is wrong to kill people and steal from them.

Its also against muslim law to desecrate bodies as well isn't it?

these people dont give one shiat about following their own religious laws.

"-there is a common good...and bush is not 'it'."

You really believe in the common good?

I think this is why I have so much contempt for blind tin-foil hat Bush haters. It's so easy to whine, even though you offer no solution.

It's why the job of prosecution in US courts is so difficult. The principle the judicial system is partly founded on being "innocent until proven guilty without a shadow of a doubt"

archimedes640

you'd doubt resistance from arab nations?

consider this. pakistan is one assassin's bullet away from being our next problem. (and should have rated above iraq on the problem-o-meter.)

guess what kind of toys pakistan has?

2004-04-04 11:53:24 PM Bauer


-archimedes640...i said i know the 'difference' between right and wrong.

reguardless of any religion...it is wrong to kill people and steal from them.

right?

bush played it all wrong...and slowly, people all over this world will rise up against him, and his followers.

there will be no peace with bush in office.

---

Bush hurts the feelings of the jealous, degenerate and parasitic because he isn't like Clinton who welcomed the destruction, damn near had a fetish for it, of the USA.

2004-04-04 11:37:20 PM Haos

Would you like to know how much nothing you just said? Would you like to see it multiplied by an insanely large number?

Damn. That sucks. Bring our boys home.

SchlingFo

"I was 35Y when I was on active duty."

And yet, your profile says you're 25... And I suppose we're supposed to believe that's a picture of you too as well.

"There's a better picture of me in my profile.

But, don't tell anyone. I don't want to have to have sex with 33 women, with over half of them enjoying it :)"

/shrugs

Father_jack, it's so easy to take the moral high ground.

It's human nature to use whatever power you have to get your way. It's one of the benefits of living in the US. You wouldn't be putting yourself in other's shoes so much if you had actually intimately known someone killed on 9/11.

//It's so easy to whine, even though you offer no solution.//

Is it lost on you that part of the reason we need a "solution" is because of a "problem" CREATED BY GEORGE FREAKIN BUSH?!?!

What is so hard to understand?

Bush is not a "war President" because of 9/11. He's a "War president" because he chose to invade Iraq for no logical reason, 600 Americans are dead, and we're #$%@#'d with no exit strategy.

Then you complain Kerry hasn't adequately offered you a "solution" to the problems of George W. Bush.

Unbelievable.

israel will do nothing with russia sitting on top of them.

they have missle technology superior to ours...and we know it.

we even tried to buy it from them.

of course they said 'no way'.

-this lastest 'scram jet' test, by nasa, is an attempt to close that gap.

as far as the general public, is concerned.

-free americans should be glad that putin has that area covered.

time is running out for sharon and likud.

archimedes640
"bush used americas might to get rid of saddam for 'zionist' israel...and iraqis will not let up as long
as bush is in power."

Damn, this is spooky I just read this article that was linked on rotten news like 2 hours ago.

White House official says we invaded Iraq for Israel

Seven US soldiers die, 24 wounded in Baghdad ambush

This war, people die.

NEVER APPEASE MURDERERS. KILL THEM.


That goes both ways DumbFark.

heap, pakistan has recently been on better terms with India. I'm organizing a local Model United Nations, and india/Pakistan isn't even an issue with the organization anymore.

If you read the article on cricket bringing the two nations together, you'd worry less about a pakistani nuke.

2004-04-04 11:57:05 PM Father_Jack


CHARMSCHOOL
The US deaths from 2.5 years of multiple wars is about 25% of the deaths from one day of peace time of legally boarded Muslim airplane passengers with box cutters.

and the US military has killed 15 thousand arabs and pashtuns + who did nothing more than get born in the wrong country.

we're not the only people who've lost civilians recently, lets not forget that too.
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I agree....and war is hell.

Numero Uno!!

israel will do nothing with russia sitting on top of them.

Sorry, Russia cannot do shiat. They are too busy trying to patch their rusted hulk of shiat infrastructure. How long were they in afghanistan? How many did they lose?

Yeah. We got farther in 2 weeks than they did in years.

Israel could roll over the palestinians in 2 secs and jordan and syria easily. No one could stop them. But that is not the point. It wont get them what they want.

Rest assured if the Israel's had it in for the palestinians like the palestinians had it in for them, there would be no palestinians left.

So why don't they? Because that is not what they want.

How is saying that Kerry offers no solution unbelievable? The man got out of his own war by a technicality. Flesh wounds didn't stop the black knight in monty python.

If Bush weren't such a unilateral cowboy, the UN would be helping us keep law and order. Those terrorists would respect the blue helmets.

"Those terrorists would respect the blue helmets."

If I had more respect for posters on this thread, I would think that was a joke.

If Bush weren't such a unilateral cowboy, the UN would be helping us keep law and order. Those terrorists would respect the blue helmets.

Sorta like the Serbs respected the blue helmets while they bussed an entire town out to be slaughtered while blue helmets from the Netherlands just watched?

Just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same blue helmets.

2004-04-05 12:01:14 AM trad16

This is news to you?

Well that is good. I think like Weaver. Sorry the fact that we think differently than you makes you pretend anything we say is invalid.

that happens to me a lot, these days.

-i am usually seven to ten days ahead of rense.com

and it freaks me, sometimes.

i guess i am not meant to win the lotto, however.

-:)

i'm off to watch 'jaws'.

all you ever needed to know about "the evil in mankind"...you can learn from watching and rewatching jaws.

-be well, all.

ummmm... a country that gives almost 2/3rds support to al-queda doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy because they're off your radar, archimedes.

i don't particularly care how nicely they are playing with India. its great that they aren't sitting on defcon .5, but that does little to sooth the reality there is a nation full of taliban lovin', al-queda supportin', fundie whackjobs that have nukes at their disposal. Musharraf seems to be about the only thing keeping that tinderbox un-charred...and i for one don't see that lasting too much longer.

Bauer, you truly are an odd duck.

archimedes640

Father_jack, it's so easy to take the moral high ground.

not trying to take the moral high ground. not at all. reminding people that the US isnt the only country in the world who lost civies, and that we should not forget that for every US soldier dead, there are 5x or 10x that many iraqis. This war is not just about us.

It's human nature to use whatever power you have to get your way. It's one of the benefits of living in the US.

not really sure what this has to do with anything. You mean because i'm bigger than people i should go beat the shiat out of them? What a real compassionate person you must be.

You wouldn't be putting yourself in other's shoes so much if you had actually intimately known someone killed on 9/11.

i did know someone, my wife's family all live in Northern NJ, and her cousin's company was in the WTC. So fark you. Furthermore, WTF does losing a relative have to do with the US military killing iraqi civilians mr. brainiac? Nothing. Did you forget that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11? By your logic, it should be fine to go kill canadians, coz hey, we lost people on 9/11! What you're saying is "i lost a relative, therefore its ok for me to use force on people weaker than me who had nothing to do with it."

nice.

John Kerry has two Purple Hearts and two Silver Stars, you worthless turd called archimedes640. He saved many men on the front lines, risking his own life, while George Bush was deserting his post and figuring out what kind of drugs and whores he liked.

You are a worthless flea-fart, archimedes640. Die in a pit.

Ever see the Endoftheworld animation, heap?

If you think that the Pakistanis are going to nuke the US because of your two reasons (because of an assasin's bullet to be blamed on India, or an infringement of Taliban happiness by the US), you're wrong.

nuclear_asshat Sorta like the Serbs respected the blue helmets while they bussed an entire town out to be slaughtered while blue helmets from the Netherlands just watched?


Actually, with the exception of John Francais Kerry, no one respects the blue helmets.