Seems like Nascar is going the way of baseball. All the long-time fans are being priced out of the stadium while the only people left in the stands are the ultra-rich who have no idea what is going on and need a Jumbo-tron to tell them when to cheer.

/not bitter at all

Seems like Nascar is going the way of baseball

Except nobody hits homeruns during the commercial break. I miss the ESPN broadcasts of the cup series. I long for the days that more than 10 laps were run before the next commercial. Now we miss half of the pitstops, most of the wrecks, and about 1/3 of the green laps to advertising and stupid little "features".

FOX and NBC killed NASCAR. Reactionary rules changes will drive the final nails in the coffin.

S_F_P:
They could do that, but that would result in better racing instead of the "follow the leader until there's 2 laps to go" ordeal at Talledega and Daytona.

Besides, DEI has been winning those races, which is exactly what Nascar wants. It keeeps the "fans" happy. If Stewart or either Gordon was winning the resrictor plate races every time they would have changed the rule by now.

Nascar has gone from being about the racing to being about the entertainment factor. Rules are purely reactionary.

When Kenny Irwin and Adam Petty were killed within weeks of each other at Loudon, Nascar jumped to put restictor plates on the cars at NH. The next race at NH Jeff Burton won the pole and led every lap to win the race. They took off the plates, and left it at that. The issue was dropped. A year later Earnhardt is killed and all of a sudden the HANS device is mandatory, and softwalls are being installed in some tracks. Shouldn't the things have been implemented after Petty and Irwin's deaths instead of restrictor plates for a track that averages 115 mph?

Then there's the "Lucky Dog" rule. That's not racing. If he can't earn his lap back by racing for it, he shouldn't get it back.

But, hey as long as the sponsors are happy...

bargirl24 (or anybody else)

Can you explain the "lucky dog" rule for someone who doesn't avidly follow racing? I tried reading up on it, but I'm not grasping the concept.

wesmills

Last year, when a caution came out, racers on the lead lap would race each other to the start/finish line in order to get credit for leading the laps under caution (a driver gets five points for leading a lap in the race, and the driver who leads the most laps in the race gets an extra five bonus points in the season standings). Meanwhile, the drivers one lap down would also race the leader to the line, because if he beats the leader, he gets back on the lead lap, and back into contention.

Late last year Jarret got spun around coming out of turn four and he ended up stalled on the apron front strech near the line. Nascar got concerned that the five drivers racing to the line might force one of the cars to get too low and hit Jarret. (Nothing happended everyone was okay) The next race they introduced the "Lucky Dog" rule that freezes the field standings the moment the caution flag comes out, and the first car a lap down, automatically gets his lap back.

It's for "safety".

I hope this helps.

Taint possum high in cholestrol?

Somebody needs to tell David Whitley of the Indy Star not to start a new paragraph with every sentence.
Maybe he doen't understand the rules of composition.
Associated comments are grouped together to make for less tedious reading.
Every junior high school writer knows this.

To me, NASCAR and baseball are a lot alike. You have to be there as a spectator to really enjoy it. Watching them on TV is boring.

Cupajo

David Whitley writes for the Orlando Sentinel. It says so at the bottom. That means it's a wired report (since it's obviously syndicated) and it lost it's formatting in transmission. It's the editors dropping the ball on the reformatting.

The " political correctness" is killing the sport. This is a rednecks sport. They are the reason stock car racing has survived the last 25 years. Now all the sponsers spending all the money are so afraid of hurting anyone's feelings that may buy their products, they are white-washing the sport to make it appealing to a broader audience. These are also the people woh's interest is already waning, and the viewership numbers are down. Who's still watching the races? The rednecks! When all the dust settles, and all is said and done, the rednecks will once again rule NASCAR.

[Followup]

Ive been following it since it was called Grand National. It has become less interesting to me. I am not sure why, just seems pretty tame.

Sez Jeff Gordon: "EAT IT, REDNECKS! NASCAR IS MINE! THE NORTH WINS AGAIN!"

This seems pretty sad to me, sponsors are big money, they shouldn't be allowed to do that, unless the sponsor is profane. Maybe we should find a link and fark those ass-hats.

That was a lovely little editorial. The guy brings up some good points.

Racin', Rednecks and 'Roids all seem to go together. To call Nascar a sport is like calling rasslin a sport. Sure, it take a little athletic ability, but it is only for the crowd. Get a grip, grits, it's only another commercial.

"Just let your SOOOOOOOOOOOUL GLO-O-OW!"

While I'm certainly no big fan of the Fox coverage, at least they're showing a lot of the Busch races on Saturdays. I don't know if this was the case with ESPN (I don't get that here in Canada, only TSN), but I welcome any additional coverage.

The Busch Series was covered by ESPN, TNN, TNT,and TBS. Before FOX and NBC bought the contracts to the half seasons, the Cup Series was shown on six different channels throughoutthe season. I remember you HAD to have a promo pcket schedule to find the race, but the coverage was better because there was competetion.

Nascar needs a trash talkin African-American in the Number 3 car... a nubian God straight out of Kenya. One that would make Darth Vader look like an anemic albino. Let him have a pit crew made of girls from a Jay-Z video... remove all sponsorhip but two : AFROSHEEN and CRYSTAL.

Then, and only then , will I watch NASCAR.

I can understand freezing the field when the caution comes out, but was it necessary to throw in giving a lap to the first car a lap down? What if that car is on the verge of being lapped again? It certainly would not have been able to regain a lap racing to the start finish line the way they used to before the rule was implemented. What about a car that's 2 laps down but is about o regain one of those laps when the caution comes out? Why not give him a lap back?

I don't know about other track's ticket prices, but at Loudon, NH I've been paying $90 up to $110 for the same seats over the last 9 years. Those are middle of turn one (teh best turn for wrecks) at the top of the stadium just under the VIP boxes. Those boxes come in handy in july when it hits close to 100 degrees and the sun finally passes over. As for NASCAR at least they aren't fining drivers for bad language over the scanners like the FCC is doing to your radio stations. Much more interesting in person than on tv have to admit. Plus I needed a sport to drink to on sunday while the NFL is offseason.

but was it necessary to throw in giving a lap to the first car a lap down

EXACTLY! if he wants his lap back, he'd better race for it and earn it.

I miss Dick Trickle.

Lil' Johnny, so the penicillan finally started working?

"Nascar needs a trash talkin African-American in the Number 3 car... a nubian God straight out of Kenya. One that would make Darth Vader look like an anemic albino. Let him have a pit crew made of girls from a Jay-Z video... remove all sponsorhip but two : AFROSHEEN and CRYSTAL.

Then, and only then , will I watch NASCAR." - bashturn

Most everything I've read of yours on here I disagree with completely, but here we see 100% eye to eye on. I wouldn't miss a race.

Can't you get leperosy from eating possum? Or was that aardvark? Whatever, fark NASCAR.

I don't get NASCAR at all. It's gotta be the most boring racing ever in the history of motor vehicles.

Want to see edge of your seat racing?

Watch this guy



when he's doing this.

Damn, I go see Hellboy and come home and I've missed a thread just up my alley.

Two things come to mind - Don't sell your mule to buy a plow, and...Don't corner something meaner than you.

Nascar will have on it's backup lights REAL soon.

by the way, Hellboy ROCKED.

Hey onethreeseven
And I think motorcycle racing is boring. I can watch a NASCAR race all the way through. Even funner when you're actually there.

It's about time NASCAR stated to care about it's image. Why would you let a company selling used car parts with a name that maybe/could be considered offensive while upstanding beer and cigarette sponsors are being ignored. It's not like car parts have anything to do with racing anyway...

/doesn't watch NASCAR

And I think motorcycle racing is boring. I can watch a NASCAR race all the way through. Even funner when you're actually there.

That's because you're a toothless hill-billy and don't know any better. NASCAR == Lots of left turns, and an occasional pass.

MotoGP & AMA Superbike == All kinds of turns, lots of passing, four and five wide racing, and better wrecks. Plus, you actually get to see the racers work the machine.

Hell, F1 is better than NASCAR, and there hasn't been an F1 pass for the lead in a decade. It's a friggin parade of cutting edge speed gear.

NASCAR == Rolling bill board parade.

Jeff Gordon sucks.

/obligatory Jeff Gordon sucks comment in Nascar-related discussion

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As you know, he isn't doing that any more, he's doing this;



& is still the man.

I really shouldn't have laughed at the perpetuated stereotype - "Wealth doesn't change a redneck. It just allows them to buy bigger trucks and gaudier black-velvet Elvis paintings."

And you guys sound lucky - at least there's racing in NASCAR - unlike the current Formula One parades.

I can't believe a real newspaper would have this headline. It looks like something from the Hoosier Gazette.

msw-mojo

You are entirely correct. The guys riding for Repsol are trying to figure out how to catch that inferior Yammerha.

Q: What do you call Valentino Rossi on a Yammaha.
A: Defending World Champion

Coming from Georgia, everyone I know has always insisted I take NASCAR seriously as a sport. And I accepted there was some athleticism involved. But it isn't until now, when the sport takes a huge dump on it's fans, that I can say without a doubt, "NASCAR, welcome to the big time."

bargirl24

...now we miss half of the pitstops, most of the wrecks,...

Yeah, it's funny when the mullets stand up and cheer when there's a wreck, from the 2 minutes I can manage to watch of left turn racing on tv.

/why war makes good tv also

This was one of the worst written piles of drivel I have ever read. What little point it had has been happening in that sport for almost a decade now.

This man abused the colon (bahahaha) as well: moron.

That's because you're a toothless hill-billy and don't know any better

I take offence to that.

I am a Puerto Rican, 22 year-old female college student with all of my straight white teeth who was born in Tacoma, WA and spent the better part of my childhood living in Germany. I now live in Central Texas, in a three bedroom house in a decent neighborhood, with a nice vehicle that is paid off. And I like Nascar.

There are many types of racing, and not everybody is going to like them all. This is a Nascar thread. If you don't like Nascar, don't post here.

I'm going to work now, so don't bother responding back to me.

I am a Puerto Rican, 22 year-old female college student with all of my straight white teeth who was born in Tacoma, WA and spent the better part of my childhood living in Germany. I now live in Central Texas, in a three bedroom house in a decent neighborhood, with a nice vehicle that is paid off. And I like Nascar.


So, what are you wearing?

That you are a latino hottie doesn't change the fact that NASCAR is the most boring racing you could ever find.

/ I'd hit it.

The only thing I don't like about NASCAR is that it is all left turns.... Then again, I think "run what brought ya here" ghia racing (hot laps, emphasises cornering speed and ability, not HP and top end) and such, to SCCA stuff, autocross, etc. are all much better with the Mille Miglia, Le Mans, and the like at the top.

onethreeseven

"That you are a latino hottie doesn't change the fact that NASCAR is the most boring racing you could ever find."

Yeah, bike racing is _so_ exciting. I've seen it in person and I remain unimpressed. It's also too bad that nobody farking cares about racing bikes.

You can kiss the collective ass of NASCAR fans nationwide.

Let me sum up the thread for anyone just joining
"F1, blah, blah blah"
"IRL, wonk, wonk, wonk"
"CART, yadda, yadda, yadda"
"NASCAR, wah, wah, wah"

I enjoy all racing when you make a generalization about anything all you're really saying is that you're ignorant.

And if its all left turns how come they don't wind up in the middle of the track?

Yeah, bike racing is _so_ exciting.

Yes, it is. I'm glad you see things my way.


I've seen it in person and I remain unimpressed.


That's because you're a toothless hillbilly, or a hottie latino co-ed. Either way, there is no aspect of racing that is dominated by NASCAR, except the number of southerners willing to sit in the stands and watch the left turns happen. It's boring racing, by any standard. F1 gives you better technology, and MotoGP gives you better racing.


It's also too bad that nobody farking cares about racing bikes.


Except those 100K that show up for the races, and the 300,000,000 MotoGP fans that tune in world wide.

By "nobody" did you mean to say "nobody in my trailer park?"

NASCAR == Redneck billboard parade.

NASCAR sucks and it's all Bush's fault! Even if Clinton got a blowjob, F1 is so much better!


(if you're gonna turn this into a flamewar, might as well do it right...)

The only thing I don't like about NASCAR is that it is all left turns..

Not if you're dyslexic.

I just wanna say that I went to a NASCAR race in CLT when I was a kid and it was the most farking fantastic thing I had ever seen. The cars were so loud and atmosphere so charged--it was awesome.

Ohya, and he's a little off about how can be stereotyped: it's not just rednecks, it's anyone of white Euro decent and / or Judeo-Christians. Everyone *else* has contributed to civilization to a vastly greater degree.

/off to watch Apollo 13, when blax and mexicans walked on the moon

Grilled possum is best with chimmichurri and a light Chablis.

RadWorld4
when you make a generalization about anything all you're really saying is that you're ignorant.

Isn't that being... I dunno... A bit too general?

/Sorry. Had to. Loved your summation of events thus far.

This doesn't count

"Nascar needs a trash talkin African-American in the Number 3 car... a nubian God straight out of Kenya. One that would make Darth Vader look like an anemic albino. Let him have a pit crew made of girls from a Jay-Z video... remove all sponsorhip but two : AFROSHEEN and CRYSTAL.

I suppose you'll want "reparations" the first time he gets punted, right?

onethreeseven
NASCAR == Rolling bill board parade

I did not see any bill boards a few weeks ago as I watched the Budweiser car drive in the Golden Corral 500...

Regarding today's Busch race from Texas: FOX SUCKS.

Dale Jr was shown on TV more than the racing action. He was controlling the camera inside the 8 car (not racing.) FOX took nearly every opportunity to remind and show viewers that he was doing this with their split-screen "technology."

Farking irritating. And I am a fan of Dale Jr, but this was just insane.

In a 3-way race of suck, FOX would beat Creed and Duke by several laps.

2004-04-03 06:54:54 PM HAMMERTOE


"Nascar needs a trash talkin African-American in the Number 3 car... a nubian God straight out of Kenya. One that would make Darth Vader look like an anemic albino. Let him have a pit crew made of girls from a Jay-Z video... remove all sponsorhip but two : AFROSHEEN and CRYSTAL.

I suppose you'll want "reparations" the first time he gets punted, right?

No, but he'll want the other guys to carry 500lb weights on their cars as an affirmative action.

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> It's also too bad that nobody farking cares about racing bikes.


Except those 100K that show up for the races, and the 300,000,000 MotoGP fans that tune in world wide.

Again I have to correct you. Average live viewing of a MotoGp race is 450K around with world wide on average 600k viewing each race counting repeats.

F1 as an exaample averages between 600k and 300k. Poor Ferarri they just don't get no respect.

BTW: Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro at Jerez did 215.8 MPH in practice. But I suppose that isn't exciting racing in a world governed by restrictor plates and engines that are essentually based on designs from the 50's.

BigNick wrote, "In a 3-way race of suck, FOX would beat Creed and Duke by several laps."

Hahaha. Love it.

HAMMERTOE I suppose you'll want "reparations" the first time he gets punted, right?

First, you should know that you do not mess with a brother's ride, that is how people get shot, and the rest of the pack should know that.

LittleCamel No, but he'll want the other guys to carry 500lb weights on their cars as an affirmative action.

Hell no... same weight for everybody, hell, go ahead an add an extra 20 lbs on the brother's ride for a kick ass sound system, the bass alone should help the car go faster. let the rest of those hillbilly boys listen to all the Tobey Keith they want, ain't no real bass in country music anyways. the brother I am talking about will kick it down to the floor old school crankin 'Pac and Biggie to eleven, ya heard ?

I read a few new NASCAR rumors today at Jayski.com. NASCAR might move the Watkins Glen race to a road course in Mexico City. Also, Pocono and Darlington might be losing races to make room for second races at Texas, Kansas City, or Las Vegas. Why do the asshats that run NASCAR insist on moving races from unique and exciting tracks to the new boring as hell cookie cutter D-ovals? Fark Brian France!

NASCAR already has had a successful African-American driver in its top division, then called Grand National: Wendell Scott.

Also, Bill Lester currently drives a Toyota in the Craftsman Truck series.

Moving the Southern 500 from Darlington would be like moving the Indy 500 from Indianapolis. They've already farked the race date by moving it to mid-November this year. Darlington is an awesome track to watch a race, the Pearson Tower (though a bit overpriced) allows you to see everything on the track. I was there last year for the last "true" Southern 500. This year I'll be at Martinsville (not in two weeks, but in October.)

The idea behind the cookie-cutter D-oval is that both NASCAR and IRL can run on the same track. Much like the late 60s dual-purpose "concrete donut" baseball/football stadia that were built and (some) later destroyed (the Vet in Philly, Three Rivers in Pittsburgh, Riverfront in Cincinnati, Busch in St. Louis, Seattle's Kingdome, etc.)

Baseball wised up and started building more unique retro-themed ballparks starting about 12 years ago with Camden Yards. Maybe it will take some time before ISC and SMI can figure that out. Too bad a tracks like Darlington and Rockingham won't survive that long.

NASCAR without Darlington would be like Baseball without Fenway. Or Football without Lambeau.

BigNick no offence, but Bill Lester makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

EMP:

There are more that 4 of us that pay attention to NASCAR but I swear that if they keep up this clean up of the sport, I might just change my viewing. I also watch CART -until it dies, Grand AM, SCCA and F1 (which means I have to get up at 6 or 7 tomorrow morning depending on if they thought about the time change at Speed.

And by the way, the crowd at Sebring for the 12 hour race is every bit as wild as the Bristol races were in the late 60's and early 70's. Falling down those concrete seats must have hurt.

2004-04-03 07:23:48 PM bashturn

Hell no... same weight for everybody, hell, go ahead an add an extra 20 lbs on the brother's ride for a kick ass sound system, the bass alone should help the car go faster. let the rest of those hillbilly boys listen to all the Tobey Keith they want, ain't no real bass in country music anyways. the brother I am talking about will kick it down to the floor old school crankin 'Pac and Biggie to eleven, ya heard ?

uh huh. (while backing up and grabbing iron skillet)

/only speaks English.

Well you are probably right on that. He's not controversial by any means. I'm probably misquoting him somewhat but he had stated something along the lines of "I don't care about race, I just want to race."

Now if a driver comes along with a personality like Tiger Woods, with skills to match, I'm sure NASCAR would attempt to promote the hell out of that. Bill Lester is already in his early 40s and is still only in the Truck series, so it's unlikely he'll make any big splash in the Cup series.

It's not just NASCAR, though the finger frequently gets pointed in NASCAR's direction because of its Southern roots. You don't see African-American drivers in F1, either.

But you probably don't see many - or any at all - at your local dirt track, or driving quarter-midgets as kids. Until more minority drivers get involved at the entry levels of motorsports, it is rare that they will be seen in the top divisions.

mcbearbryant: SPEED shows that coverage starts at 7 AM (EDT) tomorrow, they usually come on the air 1/2 hour before the start, which seems to jibe with the F1 website showing 14:30 local time race start. Evidently they don't use Daylight Saving Time in the desert, as the gap was 8 hours today but only 7 hours tomorrow.

GMT doesn't use DST either, and only the Canadian, US, and Brazilian Grands Prix will be on at a "normal" time here in the States. It's good that SPEED re-runs them at 9 PM.

/me has to remember to set alarm as well as change clock tonight.

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Actually that time I farked up. It is 450M live and 600M total viewing.

The "lucky dog rule": NASCAR's version of "No racer left behind."

Although I'm no redneck, I've been a NASCAR fan since Gordon started shaking things up in '95. I've spent thousands on NASCAR collectibles, overpriced tickets, overpriced beer, overpriced brats, yada, yada, yada. Now, they want to "grow the sport" (a thinly veiled euphamism for "their profits"). All I say is "Enough." The network coverage of the races used to be good; now it's crap. They used to break into the middle of a commercial to show a wreck in progress; now they break into the race at every chance to show commercials in progress. Good luck, NASCAR in finding the money you're looking for, because you won't be getting any more of mine!

"By "nobody" did you mean to say "nobody in my trailer park?"

NASCAR == Redneck billboard parade."

Gee, my house bears no actual resemblance to a trailer and oddly enough, it's not in a trailer park. And what really strikes me as strange is that none of the people I know who
like NASCAR racing live in a trailer park either. And most puzzling of all? None of them are rednecks. Odd, since Mr. know-it-all seems to think different.

"BTW: Loris Capirossi ITA Ducati Marlboro at Jerez did 215.8 MPH in practice. But I suppose that isn't exciting racing in a world governed by restrictor plates and engines that are essentually based on designs from the 50's."

Of course it's interesting. I don't really care, but I didn't know they went that fast.

But as far as NASCAR "being governed by restrictor plates", get a clue. Yes, NASCAR uses plates at the two biggest tracks, but nowhere else. That's hardly "governed by" and as
far as 50's technology is concerned, that's only partly true. So, please get another clue.

msw-mojo

"Actually that time I farked up. It is 450M live and 600M total viewing."

Here's a clue: Virtually nobody in this thread cares. I, for one, am not the least bit impressed by those numbers.

The "lucky dog" rule as it exists is flawed logic. They simply award a lap back to whichever driver is the "first car one lap down" regardless of his position on the track.

The rule was put in place to allow drivers, who would have otherwise (before racing back to the caution was eliminated) been able to race the leader back for their lap, to have a chance to get a lap back.

If the leader has a ten-second lead on the rest of the field, NO ONE should get a lap back that time.

However, if there are three cars, all one lap down, right behind the leader stalking him, under the old system, the leader (at his discretion) could have slowed down and allowed them to have their lap back. Or not.

In some situations (under the old rules) you could see the leader give 5 or more cars a lap back, or fight tooth-and-nail to keep the cars from getting their laps back.

With the new system, one car gets it back, every time. Unless the yellow comes out with ten laps or less to go.

I would propose a new rule:

When the caution comes out, determine what three cars are directly behind him on the track and their interval in seconds to the leader.

1. If the three cars are all on the same lap as the leader, do nothing.
2. If any of the three cars are one (or more) laps back AND within 2.0 seconds of the leader, automatically award them one lap back, unless of course they are on the lead lap. These cars will restart at the end of the line of lead cars at the restart. (It is reasonable to believe these cars could have regained their lap under the old system by racing the leader back to the start/finish line.)
3. If any of the three cars are one (or more) laps back and within 2.001 seconds to 5.0 seconds of the leader, they are NOT awarded a lap back automatically, the lead driver can choose to give them their lap back or not. The driver must make this choice "as a unit." In other words, all three cars get a lap back if they are a lap done, or none do. (Since it is reasonable to assume they would only have regained their lap under the old rules if the driver in the lead slowed to allow them to have their lap back.)
4. If any of the three cars are 5.001 seconds or further behind the leader, NO LAP FOR YOU! (Too far behind the leader to have been able to get a lap back under the old system unless the leader slowed WAY down, or was involved in the wreck, or other unusual circumstances.)

It shouldn't be hard to visually see which 3 cars are closest to the leader when the caution flag flies, and intervals should all be retrievable from the electronic scoring system.

My other idea was to have "different" types of cautions. One where racing would be allowed back to the line, and one where the location of the wreck would prevent that from being safe. For instance, a wreck behind the leaders on the backstretch would usually be OK for them to race back, where a wreck in front of the leaders right at the end of the frontstretch might not.

For normal cautions with racing back allowed, wave just the yellow flag.

For cautions where racing back would not be safe, wave yellow and red flags. Or an orange flag, or a yellow flag with a red X, or something like that.

Problem with that is that it leads to judgement calls - and there might be accusations that the judgement is based on who is the current leader rather than the safety or lack thereof involved with racing back. That, and delayed response by the safety teams to the crash - the one good thing that has come from the no-racing-back rule is that the ambulance gets to the wreck(s) much faster now.

My last name isn't France, so no worries there.

I can't make myself care.

rhiannon

"BigNick: Holy complicating matters Batman. The easiest solution? Get rid of the rule and let them race back to the line. God would want it that way."

That may be easiest, but it's not the safest option. It is pretty clear that since the no racing back rule has beem in
place that the safetu crews are responding faster than ever.

I'd get rid of the lucky dog rule and _nobody_ gets a lap back for free.

Under the old "race back" rules, it was rare that a driver was battling the leader to get their lap back. Nearly always, it was people being given laps back by the leader. I say make 'em work for it under the green flag.

Eat More Possum, Here's another NASCAR Farker. I began attending NASCAR races in '85 and attended Speedweeks at Daytona regularly since '87...that is until 2 years ago. I dropped my tickets to the Daytona 500 due to all of the rule changes and outrageous prices. I would go with a friend and camp at Ormond Beach for Speedweek. We were at the speedway 4-5 days and would go to Volusia County Speedway nearly every night. We could do all of this and pay for gas,food and souvenirs for around $400 each. This day in age you couldn't get decent tickets for that amount. I agree 100% with everything this article is saying.

Now I am trying to find another motorsport to satisfy my need for speed. I only wish more late-model dirt racing was on live TV.

The France family will never get another dime from me.

/boogity, boogity, boogity has to be the most annoying saying in all of racing.
//Thank God for the mute button

Gee, my house bears no actual resemblance to a trailer and oddly enough, it's not in a trailer park. And what really strikes me as strange is that none of the people I know who
like NASCAR racing live in a trailer park either. And most puzzling of all? None of them are rednecks. Odd, since Mr. know-it-all seems to think different.


They're called "mobile estates" now, I hear. Put 'em right up on cinder blocks, and it's almost like having a foundation!

None of that changes the fact that NASCAR is about the most boring racing you can find, anywhere. Hell, I just got done watching speed skating, and it was more of a thrill.


Of course it's interesting. I don't really care, but I didn't know they went that fast.


That's because you're a toothless hill-billy, and don't know any better. Here's a fact: NASCAR, in the scheme of top tier racing, is pretty slow.

Loris Capirossis top speed at the Circuit de Catalunya was clocked at 347.4km/h. Thats 215 MPH for the NASCAR folks. On a Ducati.

NASCAR == J.V. billboard parade.

Bashturn wrote:

"Nascar needs a trash talkin African-American in the Number 3 car... a nubian God straight out of Kenya. One that would make Darth Vader look like an anemic albino. Let him have a pit crew made of girls from a Jay-Z video... remove all sponsorhip but two : AFROSHEEN and CRYSTAL.

You couldn't do that, dude ... you just KNOW they'd be getting pulled over every three laps.

/obvious

perpetual broken record parade.

Used to be a NASCAR fan, till all the drivers I liked started dissapearing...
Alan Kulwicki-'93
Davy Allison-'93
Stayed with the #28 car, Ernie Irvan (or if you prefer... Swervin' Irvan) almost dissapeared
And Yes, I actually started to like Dale Earnhardt's driving.

Never again will I follow Nascar, for I fear I am a curse on the drivers

onethreeseven is so concerned with the fact that people might have different tastes than his own... is that the aroma of insecurity?

OK, so my descriptions of how to handle the "lucky dog" rule was probably too complicated.

Good thing I didn't post technical details on how to get rid of the restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega.

Most people would lynch me for proposing it: Drop the max displacement of the engines to 5.0 liters (305 cubic inches) and run the smaller Busch-series 390 cfm carburetor. That should hold them under 600 HP and still allow them to RACE (rather than freight-train around the track) without topping 200 MPH.

There's always the option of using the restricted air-intake hose like the Trucks do.

137 i doubt your bike races are 400-500 miles long. I know for a fact F1 races arent that long. F1 would be good racing if not every 10 laps someone has a broken gearbox. The reason moto gp isnt popular in the US is due to lack of exposure, moto gp has zero races in america to my knowledge and the only time ive ever seen 100,000 people at any type of biker event would either be sturgis rally or Bike week in daytona. As far as the comparison of speeds, Nascar isnt a type of race, its a governing body, Its actually Stock Car racing. Thats why the speeds are generally in the 150mph range. If you ever go to a race id suggest you sit in the midfield if possible and you'll notice hardly anyone is watching the race untill about 20 or so laps left, or an explosion of some sort, everyone is getting drunk and chicks are showing their tits. Its a 3hr party good times id recommend it to everyone.

I've only been watching NASCAR races regularly since 2001, so I don't have a lot of experience watching the old races, other than bits and pieces of races here and there I caught on ESPN in the early to mid-80s. I try to catch old races when ESPN Classic shows them.

I wish I had started watching long before I actually started. My first race was quite a bad experience.

You must be older than me, though. Didn't they ban the Hemi back in the 60s? I think Dodge should be able to run the Hemi, at least in the truck series, since it is currently offered in their STOCK trucks...

And they need to design a 2-door coupe version of their Magnum wagon and run it instead of the Intrepid. Too bad Pontiac pulled out, even though it's Australian-built I'd have liked to see a GTO on the track this year.

I do hate the common templates and the new 26/10 playoff format.

Unfortunately the first NASCAR race I decided to watch happened to be the 2001 Daytona 500. I wish I had gotten to see more of Dale racing than I did. Especially his last win at Talladega in 2000. I'm sure that race will eventually be on ESPN Classic.

I have seen videos of some of the old races (just highlight reels, basically, since there wasn't any full TV coverage in the 60s and early 70s) and there was something so different about the races then compared to today.

I watched Friday night's IROC race, didn't seem like a lot of excitement, with Lasoski taking the lead from the pole and never letting go.

Today's F1 race will probably be the same way. That starts in 4 hours, so I need some sleep or I won't be up in time.

I don't really consider myself a NASCAR "fan", but if I happen to catch a race, I enjoy it.

I guess maybe because I don't see it every week, the changes to NASCAR were pretty apparent the last time I caught a race. Good lord, with sponsors like Viagra, Levitra, and Enzyte - and commercials for them every single stinking break - I had to wonder, does NASCAR think that their fans have serious penis problems?

Why aren't there any black NASCAR drivers? Or black hockey players?

farkdog
as far as 50's technology is concerned, that's only partly true. So, please get another clue.

G, I'm sorry for being so clueless. Those pushrod V8's, that's some modern shiat there.

memphomaniac
Why aren't there any black NASCAR drivers?

There too busy screwing the wifes while hubbie is drinkin' Bud and watching the racin'?

My new neighbors are rednecks. I think I need to move. The "old lady" is very loud and abusive. Lady: "You go on inside and go to the bathroom yourself. Don't bother momma while she's smokin'."