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(The Arizona Daily Star)   Putting money you owe your kids in a bag labeled "child support" and burying it in your yard won't exempt you from having to pay it   (story.news.yahoo.com) divider line 77
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2004-04-02 11:45:30 PM  
One man was able to get out of going to jail by directing officers from the Marana Police Department to a brick in his yard, under which was buried $5,000 in a bag marked "Child Support

Actually, it apparently WILL stop you from being arrested.

Nice job, poster.
 
2004-04-03 12:17:00 AM  
Making your headlines totally incorrect won't stop them from getting green-lighted.
 
nm
2004-04-03 01:21:38 AM  
farked? broken link?
 
2004-04-03 02:03:06 AM  
Or wait, maybe it does make sense. I don't know.
 
2004-04-03 06:19:54 AM  
Uh... he still had to pay it. The headline doesn't say anything about being arrested.
 
2004-04-03 07:00:28 AM  
so 40 people have to pay about 60k.... thats about $1200 each. What a bunch of cheapscates
 
2004-04-03 07:02:11 AM  
Putting money? What about chipping money? Driving money? Sand-wedging money?
 
2004-04-03 07:10:04 AM  
Burying the money in the garden? WTF? Why on earth would you do that?
The logic behind this action totally eludes me.

On an other note, people need to pay their childsupport. Failure should lead to enforced sterilisation. Can't feed them, don't breed them.
 
2004-04-03 07:13:01 AM  
Burying the money in the garden? WTF? Why on earth would you do that?

There's plenty of situations where noncustodial parents learn very little of their child support is actually going to their children. This certainly isn't a case of him not feeling he should pay, or not being able to pay, so there has to be some reason, but why would someone like the media actually find that out for us? :p
 
2004-04-03 07:15:54 AM  
macker:

so 40 people have to pay about 60k.... thats about $1200 each. What a bunch of cheapscates

The ~$60k was what they need to pay to get out of jail. Later in the article, it said the 40 people owe(d) a combined total of $764,000.
 
2004-04-03 07:18:15 AM  
I know my step-father's child support was pretty much 100% wasted on his ex-wife and not his son.

Good for this guy in question. That's what they should do, put the money in a bank account that only the kid can touch, and not until he/she turns 18 (so the parent can't pressure him/her)
 
2004-04-03 07:19:58 AM  
asimor: Ummm, except that moneys supposed to be paying to feed the kid now.
 
2004-04-03 07:20:33 AM  
Asmor
The only problem with that is that the child is going to need support for things like food and clothing to reach 18...
 
2004-04-03 07:22:37 AM  
oh, i see SpaceButler...
Thank you for making me feel publically humiliated and an idiot.

appreciate :)

In that case, um, I got nothing
 
2004-04-03 07:33:31 AM  
having been a child whose father didn't pay his (outlandish) support payments i have mixed feelings about this. mother remarried within a year and my stepfather could easily afford to support mother, me and my sister. he also knew that was part of the package.

from the above we conclude that (realistic) child support is good when it goes to the children but should stop upon the woman getting remarried.

IMHO the real world situation seldom plays out like that. then there is the whole visitation issue but that's for another time.
 
2004-04-03 07:34:16 AM  
can a guy get child support from a woman? Why dont we ever hear about that. Why do men always have to pay. Women want equal rights, just with the female benefits.

I see.
 
2004-04-03 07:39:50 AM  
Macker
Can't say how it is over "the pond", but in my part of the world it is the parent that have the main care that gets the support, regardless of gender. And the amount of support is decided from annual income and how much time you spend with the child. If the child lives with you half the time, there is little to pay, if you aren't taking any responsibilities, there's hell to pay
 
2004-04-03 07:42:09 AM  
And it tends to be the girl sitting with the whole responsibility of the child as the father runs in the opposite direction...
 
2004-04-03 07:48:16 AM  
so, if I make 70k a year, get married, have a baby, then get divorced and keep the kid, and my wife has no job, ill get nothing from her?

Somehow, I'm lead to believe that even if she made 70k, I was unemployed, and she had the kid, I would still have to come up with the money for the child.

I hear about this all the time. At the time of judgement, someone might be making say 50k, but later they make 25k, yet there still expected to make full payments. And its always in the womans favor. Similar to custodity usually goes to the mom.

what gives?

women who biatch about equal rights, can't handle equal rights.
 
2004-04-03 07:52:53 AM  
and does anyone know what the hell "over the pond" means? Is that alabama or something?
 
2004-04-03 07:58:16 AM  
And it tends to be the girl sitting with the whole responsibility of the child as the father runs in the opposite direction..

it also tends that the people who run away and fake kidnapings are women, and are usually mentally and emotional unstable to begin with. If not for that, maybey men wouldnt run.

weird.
 
2004-04-03 08:21:46 AM  
It means across the Atlantic. Not sure exactly which side of it she's on though.
 
2004-04-03 08:23:09 AM  
AHHHH! Marana,The armpit of Arizona
 
2004-04-03 08:27:28 AM  
When I lived with my Mom, Dad would always mess with her as far as child support was concerned. He'd pay her like 3 months in a row, so she'd get this fat check. She'd always run and blow it on beer and cigarettes. Then when the next month came, she'd throw a fit because she wasn't getting any money and he'd remind her that he didn't owe for another 2 months.

Then when my Dad finally got custody of me, he actually had to get a court order that garnered my Mom's paycheck, so the state actually sent him child support every month. So yes, women do have to pay. And it was funny, because Mom would always biatch about being broke. But then her and my stepdad would turn around and take a week long trip to Hawaii or something. So whenever she did this and Dad was able, he'd petition for a raise in his child support, since she could obviously afford it. Every single time, it was raised.
 
2004-04-03 08:28:25 AM  
Er, he'd pay three months at once. I suck at typing.
 
2004-04-03 08:32:11 AM  
I placed macker over in the ol' USoA. So that would place me on the other side...
And yes, it is mostly women who get custody, and therefore gets support. And as I was saying, I have no idea how such cases are handled on your side, but here you do not have to pay if you do not have money. And if your monetary situation changes, the amount you pay changes accordingly. The rules are quite complicated, but strive to reward shared custody and encourage both parents to spend time with the kid.
 
2004-04-03 08:47:36 AM  
a co-worker of mine was married fairly young and had a child...got divorced. while the divorce case was being decided, he took her credit cards and ran them up to the limit, sold her car, and drained their bank account.
all legal since they were still married.
after the divorce, he was ordered to pay support and alimony.
he quit the job he had and moved. never payed. when she sent private detectives after him, a judge ordered his check garnished to pay back payments and keep on track with future payments. so he quit that job and moved again.
he's done this about 8 times in the past 3 years....all the way up til about 5 months ago when he got caught on this go araound.
THAT judge ordered him to basically sell what he owned and pay up, and to make sure that he didn't skip on future payments, or disappear again, the judge ordered that for every x amount of dollars late, he'd have to spend so many days in jail, and if he moved without a forwarding address again, he would spend an equal amount of time in jail to the time it took for them to find him again.
dumbass didn't beleive it and skipped, was gone for three months.
he's still in jail right now from when they caught him.
 
2004-04-03 08:53:41 AM  
If you pay child support, even if you get less money later on from a dif. job, the child is not able to lessen their food intake so you SHOULD PAY THE COURT-ORDERED AMT.!
Not to sound all Dr. Laura and all, but if you made the decision to marry this person, and have un-protected sex, then you should do everything in your power NOT to divorce and get astuck with settlements and visitation.
Her exceptions to this are Abuse, Addiction, and Affairs. Then...GET OUT!!!
Do everything you can NOT to get divorced. Not being "happy" is not an excuse. You made a committment. Act on it.
I know I am going to get stories of awful exes. Suck it up. You CHOSE to get married and/or make a baby...own it!!!
/flame on!
 
2004-04-03 08:56:33 AM  
astuck.....Is that sorta like a splode?
 
2004-04-03 08:58:38 AM  
Bhags
What a total a**! I can't believe some things people pull. He fully deserves every day in prison. He may be "take revenge" on the ex, but it is the kid who pays.
 
2004-04-03 08:59:53 AM  
Bellefromhell: yep, its much better for the child to see his parents miserable and hating each other in marrage, than moving on and starting over.
 
2004-04-03 09:05:03 AM  
While I agree that parents should stick together if at all possible, sometimes a divorce really is the best way to save at least some of the relationship, to the best of the children. If the relationship is dying, it may be best to split before you start hating each other.
 
2004-04-03 09:06:57 AM  
Actually, child support payments are supposed to be a percentage of your income. So if you're income were to change, so would your child support payments. You just have to make the adjustment with the courts.
 
2004-04-03 09:07:02 AM  
And what if the 2nd marriage is also miserable? The child gets drug around yet again! Hate is an emotion. Find an outlet for release. Agree to just disagree and be civil. Act mature.
And a great trick is...WAIT to get married! Graduate at least high school first, be able to support yourself finacially, THEN get married, THEN have kids. Do not marry till you ahve been thru TWO years dating---how do you handle family vacations? Do they get moody around certain holidays? Any secrets? How do they handle stess? Finances? Any whacked out family members? It takes TIME to get to know a person.
DO NOT marry just on emotion. You CANNOT live on love. But you CAN live on trust.
Once you make the choice to have a child, do everything in your power to GROW UP!!!! Your child needs you.
 
2004-04-03 09:13:01 AM  
It is fully possible to act responsible and in the childs best interest even if you don't stay married. It depends on both parents. And totally agree on the wait thing. Have been with my fiance for 8 yers now, only resently decided we should marry. It takes time to grow up and to know somebody.
 
2004-04-03 09:23:35 AM  
Am I the only one who finds it creepy the cops searched so thoroughly as to find money buried in a yard? I mean these guys were deadbeat dads, they weren't running gun and drug-smuggling cartels or anything.

This story seems to have vague Orwellian undertones to me.
 
2004-04-03 09:48:06 AM  
Pitnicker

Am I the only one who finds it creepy the cops searched so thoroughly as to find money buried in a yard? I mean these guys were deadbeat dads, they weren't running gun and drug-smuggling cartels or anything.



The guy told them it was there... take off the tinfoil...
 
2004-04-03 09:52:28 AM  
 
2004-04-03 10:07:07 AM  
Hi:

In Colorado, unless it has changed recently, child support is gender neutral and based on which parent has custody of the child(ren). The incomes of both the custodal parent and non-custotal parent are added together. Using a state mandated formula based on total income a monthly child suport amount is set. That monthly amount is then assigned to each parent based on both the percentage of income each parent contribuites and the amount of time each parent has custody of the child(ren). Example, Dad makes $10/hour so his income is $20,800/year, Mom makes $5.35/hour so her income is $11,128/year. Total family income is $31,928, a per child monthly child support amount (X){~$344/month} would be figured from that total family income, plus other factors such as child care costs and health insurance. Dad would be responcible for roughly 2/3 of that amount, Mom roughly 1/3. Now if Dad has fulltime custody Mom would have to pay Dad (~X/3) amount of dollars per month for each child {~$145/month}. In most cases a court order would be issued that requires Mom's employer to take the child support payment (~X/3) from her pay check each month after taxes but befor any other obligations.

If a parent is not employed, in most cases income will be inputed to that parent based on either past income or minimum wage.

Child support is owed to the custodal parent, not the child.

Child support is part of the total household income of the custodal parent.

Child support is not child rent, it has nothing to do with child visitation and can not be withheld (by the non-custodial parent) to punish the custodal parent who does not honor visitation orders.

If the family income or custody arrangement changes the child support can and should be recalculated.

All bets are off if private child support arrangements are made as part of a divorce. Divorce attorneys like it that way.

see: http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/Childsupport/colorado/ for a child support calculator.

see: http://www.childsupport.state.co.us/home/indexIndex.jsp for Colorado Child Support.
 
2004-04-03 10:07:43 AM  
here is a real life story for you...I am curently living it.

My wife was previously married. This short union produced 2 chilren. During the marriage, she was not allowed by her then-husband to work outside the home. After 3 short miserable years, she left him (not for me, I was still several years down the road at this point) because he was abusive. Her husband at the time had a cousin who was an attourney - so with no attourney fees for him to pay he managed to drag out the divorce precedings for 4 years with the result being that she (my wife) got nothing from the marriage and actually ended up being ordered to pay child support.

Cut to today, 7 years later. My wife and I have 3 children of our own (plus the older two in the summer and alternate holidays). I earn a good living as an IT consultant enabling my wife to stay home with the children - she could work if she wanted, but chooses not to, and we don't need the money.

Even though she is not employed and HAS not been employed for over 4 years, she is still required to pay child support every month. So guess who actually ends up paying it?

So I present to you a case of a woman that NEVER contributed to the income while she was married to her first husband but is still required to pay support.

It should be noted that the ex-husband does not pay day-care expenses as his mother lives next door to him and is the one that really takes care of the children.

The funniest thing about the whole situation? The oldest child from the preivous marriage is 15 and has told me on numerous occasions that she wishes I was her real dad instead of him because he is such a worthless parent.

/flaming_pinto
 
2004-04-03 10:36:14 AM  
"FLAMING99"

So your wife chose to raise her children and you chose to step up to the plate and support her and _all_ of your children. I honor you.

So your wife chose to not work and her ex has custody, guess what she has an obligation to pay child support. The amount may be subject to an adjustment and perhaps she needs to contact her local state/county child support enforcement office. One other thing if the grandparents has actual physical custody of the children they should be recieving the child support not the father. But if they are providing free child care, then be happy that the children are being cared for at no additional cost to you.

Again props to you for taking on the support of the woman you love and her children.
 
2004-04-03 10:37:42 AM  
So I present to you a case of a woman that NEVER contributed to the income while she was married to her first husband but is still required to pay support.

Sorry, I feel for yours situation, but in fairness I have to say that your wife should pay.

No one would care if a man had not worked in four years. If his kids were not living with him, he'd have to pay.

Not only that, if a man can prove through DNA the children are not his, he still legally has to pay child support.

I am all for people paying their child support, but lets be honest. That entire $1000 does not go to the child. That money needs to be protected. 1/2 should go to basic living needs, and 1/2 to a trust.
 
2004-04-03 10:41:16 AM  
"NUCLEAR_ASSHAT"

"Not only that, if a man can prove through DNA the children are not his, he still legally has to pay child support."

That statement is incorrect in Colorado unless he legally adopted the children.
 
2004-04-03 10:46:10 AM  
"Not only that, if a man can prove through DNA the children are not his, he still legally has to pay child support."

That statement is incorrect in Colorado unless he legally adopted the children.

Glad to hear that. In many states once the ruling is handed down they really don't care if you are the actual father.
 
2004-04-03 10:55:10 AM  
"N_A"

Yes the system can be a bit blind once they have someone to pay. Add to that the husband is presumed to be the father of all children conceived during a marrage. So it usually takes forcing it back into court with the DNA evidence to get a support order overturned.

So now you know why all my children under the age of 20 are neutered.
 
2004-04-03 11:00:34 AM  
flaming99,

You wanna give me the name of your wife's husband's attorney?

I have custody of our three children, my ex is a nurse, I'm unemployed.

She got everything, car, house, furniture, etc. She pays zero child support.

I have to pay her $1,000 a month.

Where did I FU?
 
2004-04-03 11:18:53 AM  
I don't know how child support works in other states, but in Indiana the payment is based on some kind of system that figures it based on the father's income and the mother's income. If the mother is unemployed, then it's based as if she made minimum wage. Also, any time there is a change in income, you can go back to court and petition to have it re-figured.

That said, my experience is as the step-father who married a woman with a child. I have accepted all resonsibility for him, etc. However, that shouldn't allow the ex to stop paying. The fact is, he was ordered originally to pay only $35/week and is about 3 1/2 years behind. He has since joined the military and we received a few catch up payments but he is probably still close to $6,000 behind. Should his ass go to jail? Probably but what good would it serve and unfortunately, my wife isn't someone to push the issue.

Personally, I feel like he's getting away with something. But my wife doesn't want the stress of another court hearing.
 
2004-04-03 11:19:26 AM  
"GARGOYLE"

Have you contacted you local Child Support Enforcement office?

If not, take a look in your phone book under county/state government or do a GIS for {Your State} Child Support Enforcement.

Good luck.
 
2004-04-03 11:24:21 AM  
All but three of the 40 people arrested were taken to the Pima County jail and will have to pay nearly $58,000 total before they're allowed to leave.

You know, last time I checked, debtors' prisons were ILLEGAL in this nation... I mean, how are these people supposed to get the money to pay their debts when they're locked in a jail cell?

Yeah, yeah, I know... they're "deadbeat dads" so nobody cares...
 
2004-04-03 11:32:40 AM  
"hEARTbURNkID"

It may be that the arrest warrents were issued because the "deadbeat PARENTS" are in violation of a court order, not because they are debtors. Perhaps if they had made a good faith effort to pay their child support they would not be under arrest. Like the guy who "paid" his child support by burying it in the garden.
 
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