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2004-03-23 06:06:45 PM
 
2004-03-23 06:18:11 PM
The judge said that Konow will remain locked up until she is prepared to continue representing El-Shabazz during the trial.

So, she could be in there for the rest of her life? Thats farked up. Just execute the sick bastard now and let her out.
 
2004-03-23 06:23:07 PM
How much would you charge for THAT privilege CyberLuddite?
 
2004-03-23 06:32:57 PM
Come on, who among us hasn't wanted to punch a lawyer at least once in our lives?

And don't be asking that question of Cyberluddite, he might like it rough.
 
2004-03-23 06:50:13 PM
The headline and the actual article dont quite match. The judge is insisting that the public defender represent the defendant -- even though he punched her colleague in the face -- and is holding the woman in jail until she complies. That judge is a fecking biatch.
 
2004-03-23 07:09:32 PM
Geez. Even if she wasn't actually assaulted, she must still feel physically threatened to have seen his only other representative be punched without provocation like that. Can't believe a judge would force an attorney to represent someone who she does not feel safe around.
 
2004-03-23 07:55:17 PM
Seems like they could prevent physical danger to the attorneys while allowing them to represent the client.
 
2004-03-23 07:57:00 PM
*Prays* Oh, please let this not be Todd Bertuzzi

/Canucks fan yet to RTFA
 
2004-03-23 07:58:04 PM
The prosecutor had just rested her case yesterday when El-Shabazz jumped up and punched Goodman.

Wait a minute...this guy punched his lawyer IN FRONT OF THE JURY! Yeah, I think that might be a Bad Idea.
 
2004-03-23 07:59:23 PM
Sad thing is this nonsense guarantees the creep will never be executed. This will be fodder for appeals forever.
 
2004-03-23 07:59:25 PM
Guy is probably going for a mistrial or at least decent grounds for appeal when he is sentenced to death. Well, either that or he's just a psycho.
 
2004-03-23 08:00:28 PM
He sounds like a pleasant enough fellow.
 
2004-03-23 08:00:47 PM
In most places a Judge can hold you in a cell, in contempt, for as long as he wants to. Some woman was held for YEARS for not telling the judge where her daughter, who she had kidnaped, was.

Basic rule of court, Don't piss off the judge.
 
2004-03-23 08:01:49 PM
Brilliant move by the defendant. He probably knows he's guilty as sin, so all he can do is make an absolute circus of things to delay the inevitable as much as possible.
 
2004-03-23 08:01:52 PM
I'd love to defend someone like that. I tell you, that'd be the lousiest effort I'd ever put into a case. My entire closing argument would be me giving the jury the finger. What's the death-row-sentenced assbasket gonna do, sue me for malpractice?
 
2004-03-23 08:02:09 PM
Once again, they make an example by punishing the innocent and ignoring the guilty. Who started that cycle?
 
2004-03-23 08:03:13 PM
I suppose the judge might feel differently if El-Shabazz had sucker-punched her.
 
2004-03-23 08:04:51 PM
2004-03-23 08:01:52 PM Alexis

I'd love to defend someone like that. I tell you, that'd be the lousiest effort I'd ever put into a case. My entire closing argument would be me giving the jury the finger. What's the death-row-sentenced assbasket gonna do, sue me for malpractice?
No, that's a very bad idea. Anything that you could have but did not bring up in the original trial will be grounds for appeal. Better to confront the evidence now than try to counter an appeal later, when witnesses are older, evidence is stale, etc. In the end, you would only be bettering the defendant's chances of winning on appeal.
 
2004-03-23 08:04:51 PM
Wonder if she could get out of jail if she just quit her job?
 
2004-03-23 08:05:20 PM
Smallberries

In most places a Judge can hold you in a cell, in contempt, for as long as he wants to. Some woman was held for YEARS for not telling the judge where her daughter, who she had kidnaped, was.

Basic rule of court, Don't piss off the judge.


When you enter a courtroom, the judge is basically God. It's best to be respectful to the point of absurdity, without looking like an ass-kisser, of course.


etymxris

Brilliant move by the defendant. He probably knows he's guilty as sin, so all he can do is make an absolute circus of things to delay the inevitable as much as possible.


Definitely a smart move, but I dunno about brilliant. I mean, what choices do you have? If you're gonna fry, you don't have a whole lot to lose, so you may as well pull any stunt you can.
 
2004-03-23 08:07:07 PM
What's the death-row-sentenced assbasket gonna do, sue me for malpractice?

Yes; I would.
 
2004-03-23 08:07:40 PM
Yet another arrogant judge who needs to be removed from
the bench. The punk criminal should have been restrained
in chains to the satisfaction of the female defense attorney. The criminal forfitted his rights when he attacked an officer of the court. To continue to treat him as if his rights are more important than the saftey of the
working folks in the courtroom is foolish. The judge caused
this problem, not the lawyer.
 
2004-03-23 08:08:31 PM
Guy is a Genius.

Grounds for mistrial, my lawyers didn't represent me fairly cause I sucker punched one.

Prepare for more lawyer punching, copyright suing inmates.

I really don't feel too bad for the lady. If she bows out the entire case will probably have to be retried, costing taxpayers money. She chose to be a public defender, part of that decision is representing freaks like this guy.
 
2004-03-23 08:08:53 PM
etymxris

No, that's a very bad idea. Anything that you could have but did not bring up in the original trial will be grounds for appeal. Better to confront the evidence now than try to counter an appeal later, when witnesses are older, evidence is stale, etc. In the end, you would only be bettering the defendant's chances of winning on appeal.


I know, I was just being a smartass. =)
 
2004-03-23 08:10:06 PM
So if this guy actually raped and murdered a 6 year old, don't you think torture is an appropriate punishment?
 
2004-03-23 08:12:12 PM
A "Tony Danza" is much better than a donkey punch
 
2004-03-23 08:15:26 PM
>Spreadhead
>So if this guy actually raped and murdered a 6 year old,
>don't you think torture is an appropriate punishment?

Just put him in general population, problem solved.
 
2004-03-23 08:15:51 PM
lawyers are scummy like that, just like cops and firemen...
 
2004-03-23 08:21:06 PM
wheatweasel: I hope you are just trolling with that inflamatory remark. If not, I sure hope your house catches fire.
 
2004-03-23 08:21:46 PM
And here I thought defendants didn't punch attorneys due to professional courtesy.
 
2004-03-23 08:28:19 PM
Spreadhead

So if this guy actually raped and murdered a 6 year old, don't you think torture is an appropriate punishment?


No.
 
2004-03-23 08:32:24 PM
AnastasiaBeaverhausen

I work in a courthouse. I see the worst versions of all three on a daily basis. Am I biased? yes, am I trolling? no...
 
2004-03-23 08:36:17 PM
These asaults on lawyers and judges are rare. What I find stunning is when it happens to them they get indignant. When it happens to a cop, we send them in or prosecute em for mis- use of force. How may people would be in jail if lawyers and judges had to go and effect the arrest and confinement?
 
2004-03-23 08:40:11 PM
I, for one, welcome our lawyer-punching, felonious overlords.
 
2004-03-23 08:40:47 PM
We don't need no pedos let the mother farker burn. Burn mother farker, BURN!
 
2004-03-23 08:41:08 PM
AnastasiaBeaverhausen
It is called sarcasm, a concept you seem to have missed
 
2004-03-23 08:52:38 PM
Obviously the dude needs a court-appointed lawyer. How should the issue be resolved? Should public defenders be allowed to pick and choose who they represent?
 
2004-03-23 08:54:44 PM
um, Wheatweasel: I could give a shiat about Lawyers. but cops and firemen? THAT's what Anastasia most likely had the problem with...
 
2004-03-23 08:56:28 PM
Why can't she just demand he be in restraints when she is around him? As much as a scumbag as he is, he does need someone to represent him in order to get with the business of giving him a dose of his well deserved 'sleepy juice'.
 
2004-03-23 08:57:54 PM
2004-03-23 06:23:07 PM Dancin_In_Anson
How much would you charge for THAT privilege CyberLuddite?


I'm not sure what the question is--how much would I charge to represent that scumbag, or how much would I pay to donkey-punch his lawyer?

If it's the former question, I don't do criminal law, so the point's moot. Though I suspect that, as someone who knows nothing about criminal law, I could give him the kind of representation he deserves--extremely shiatty.

If it's the latter question, I don't have anything against that lawyer, but I could think of a few lawyers I personally know who I would pay big bucks to have a right to sucker-punch.

As I've mentioned before, not all of us lawyers are bad. It's 95% of lawyers who give the rest of us a bad name! :)
 
2004-03-23 08:58:31 PM
FUUUCKK I HATE FIREMEN
 
2004-03-23 09:03:54 PM
Yeah, restraints would work, as well as keeping him out of arms reach at the defense table. A nice crack in the head with a prybar might be a good idea too.
 
2004-03-23 09:07:40 PM
FUUUCKK I HATE FIREMEN

Um, yeah.
 
G2V
2004-03-23 09:09:15 PM
I think "contempt" law is a little too loose. Judges have too much power in their courtrooms they can abuse.
 
2004-03-23 09:18:11 PM
Doesn't El Shabbazz sound like an obvious fake name?
 
2004-03-23 09:39:18 PM
Obvious solution:

C'mon people. Problem solved.
 
2004-03-23 09:51:58 PM
G2V

I think "contempt" law is a little too loose. Judges have too much power in their courtrooms they can abuse.


I dunno about that... the judicial branch is really the only part of the government I can respect anymore. The legislature is comprised of puppets for the RIAA/MPAA/OPEC/whatever big business is lining their pockets this week, and the executive branch, which is headed by a joke, is, like the legislature, too consumed with invading upon the lives of the people to do their job of protecting the ideals of freedom. Do judges have a lot of power? Yeah. But in most cases, I'm glad they do. The courtroom seems to be the only beacon of intelligence and integrity in the bureaucracy today. There needs to be some check and balance to prevent America from going to hell in a handbasket.
 
2004-03-23 09:54:41 PM
guys has an overwhelming amount of evidence against him in a kidnap/killing/rape case and was probably going to get the death penalty.

This was his last attempt to save himself with a mis-trial. I heard on the radio that the prosecution thinks the defense team set the whole thing up.
 
2004-03-23 09:56:31 PM
Get out.
 
2004-03-23 10:09:32 PM
I doubt it was a set up. Who in their right mind would allow a client to punch them or get locked up for contempt for a child killer? Court appointed defense attorneys don't care that much...
 
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