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YMW
2004-03-23 08:57:20 PM
simple. make dui a felony and let 3 strikes laws around the country throw them in prison for life.
 
2004-03-23 09:03:50 PM
damn straight. then when the prisons are overcrowded, all the murderers, rapists and child molesters can go free so we can keep all those *real* criminals locked up.
 
YMW
2004-03-23 09:05:42 PM
haha. biter.
 
2004-03-23 09:06:55 PM
POOR IMPULE CONTROL.

Wonder if anyone will catch that :)
 
2004-03-23 09:07:33 PM
Impulse!
I previewed too... don't go on fark with little sleep.
 
2004-03-23 09:08:34 PM
j3bu5, that was the first thing I thought about.
 
2004-03-23 09:11:13 PM
who really cares if your license gets taken away? i owe the dmv about $1000 in traffic fines so i've been driving with nothing but an id card for almost 3 years now.

yep, that'd sure be a deterrant.
 
2004-03-23 09:37:58 PM
*cough*asswithnosenseofhumorwhocouldn'tidentifyajokeifitwascrammeduphisass*cou gh*

Uh. Yeah. I got a sense of humor. Back away from it if you want but I've heard this argument a hundred times. "Yeah, I drive safer when I'm a little drunk beacuase I don't want to get pulled over". If you need some kind of crayon drawing to outline why this is *cough*moronic*cough*, maybe we can put something nice together for you.

And then cram it up your ass.
 
2004-03-23 09:48:21 PM
Folks, please: how'd we get from DUI/ MADD/ & DAMM to "cram it up your a$$ ?"
 
2004-03-23 09:53:04 PM
You guys don't understand. This is all about safety. If the drunks are marked, you'll be able to get out of their way (and possibly save your life) because you'll see their orange plate... after they pass you... oh wait.
 
2004-03-23 09:53:56 PM
This may be the FIRST time I agree with someone that spells Dog...dawg. Only Southerners will understand this.
 
2004-03-23 09:54:39 PM
it's kind of like those stupid "baby on board" stick-ups in cars. because an unsafe/and or drunk driver is going to go find another car to hit instead of the one with "baby on board"
 
2004-03-23 09:55:31 PM
curlinggod, you're on TF. Of course your submission was taken.
 
2004-03-23 09:57:34 PM
farky fark: I agree. Most alchies will drive with or without a license. But here you can't get registration or insurance without one, so if (I mean when) they are caught the consequences are quite severe and usually criminal. Well more so than the DUI was in that they'll be spending time in prison. No need for a license to get to a job in that case, they won't have one.
And BTW, in Ontario your first conviction nets you a year suspension, 2nd gets you 3 years, and a 3rd is a "lifetime" revocation with an appeal after remaining clean for 10 years (this includes medicals). The 4th is truly a lifetime ban. Man, these people in Illinois have it so easy it's laughable. Well, I suppose not laughable to the people who have to drive on the same roads as these turds.
 
2004-03-23 10:17:46 PM
In Ohio the plates aren't just a scarlet letter. They indicate that the primary driver is on probation and the police can pull the car over at any time, without probable cause, to make sure the driver hasn't been drinking.
 
2004-03-23 10:27:37 PM
Screw all of you Biblically vengeful MADD types. I was popped for a "DUI" this weekend, at one of those money-generating checkpoints the cops periodically set up when the city coffers need a boost. I had consumed four beers over a six-hour period, the last one well over an hour before I got in my car. The cop pulls me over; for some reason, I'm nervous as a bunch of guys with guns demand I do a series of acrobatics by the side of the road, so apparently my pulse was a bit quickened and I didn't jump through their hoops with quite the finesse that they required. After blowing a zero twice on the Breathalyzer, the cop STILL says, "you must be on something," and I'm dragged down to the police station for a blood test that I KNOW will come back negative, because I hadn't ingested any illicit substances. So I got to spend the night in a tiny holding cell with about ten other guys, the majority of whom didn't seem remotely buzzed, and I couldn't retrieve my car until two days later, after paying nearly $200 to the towing yard.

When my blood test comes back negative, I'm thinking of suing the police department. Hell, I may even find a lawyer who'll launch a class-action suit. I don't think people should drive while they're intoxicated, but I also think that DUI laws, and especially checkpoints, are tailor made for jackbooted, lucrative abuse.
 
2004-03-23 10:28:51 PM
This is just another example of the ultra-conservative right wing trampling on our constitutional rights. This time it's our right to drink and drive. When Kerry gets elected we can all do whatever the hell we want, any time we want, with whomever we want, anywhere we happen to be.
 
2004-03-23 10:34:13 PM
CaptainFatass: Sounds like your problems with the police, not the DUI laws.
 
2004-03-23 10:34:28 PM
Isn't Bush the one who actually has a DUI on record? AND Cheney?
 
2004-03-23 10:36:59 PM
Personally I'm also a little worried about the idea of someone with 3 DUIs being allowed to drive and have cars registered to them, but then again I guess I'm an uptight Canadian.
 
2004-03-23 10:39:55 PM
it's kind of like those stupid "baby on board" stick-ups in cars. because an unsafe/and or drunk driver is going to go find another car to hit instead of the one with "baby on board"

When I'm driving and I notice children in a car or see that sign, I will back off and use extra caution. I'm sure others do the same.
The sign is just another way of saying, Hey, just because you can't see my child doesn't mean he/she isn't in here.
 
2004-03-23 10:46:15 PM
This is just another example of the ultra-conservative right wing trampling on our constitutional rights. This time it's our right to drink and drive. When Kerry gets elected we can all do whatever the hell we want, any time we want, with whomever we want, anywhere we happen to be.

I've been tring to determine if you're serious or not? But anyway.....
Driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a "constitutional right".
 
2004-03-23 10:47:00 PM
rhiannon: Mostly, yes, but the DUI laws--random checks, lowering the BAC level to the point where you're paranoid even when you're fully aware that you're sober--enable this kind of thuggery.
 
2004-03-23 10:49:20 PM
True story. My boyfriend's mom's ex-boyfriend actually had the distinction of getting busted twice in one day for DWI. He said it happened years ago in a little town in Louisiana, back before they routinely brought every drunk driver to jail. He said the first time he was stopped, the deputy was a buddy of his and drove him home. So what's the first thing he wants when he gets back to the house? Why of course, another six-pack. This time he gets behind the wheel of his daughter's car, he's stopped again, and needless to say he didn't get the same preferred treatment as in the earlier incident.

And this is the same bastard who raged at my boyfriend for smoking a little pot.
 
2004-03-23 11:30:09 PM
I have not read the thread, but leave alchol away from pot.
 
2004-03-23 11:45:30 PM
awesome
 
2004-03-24 12:23:33 AM
everyone who has said "f drunk drivers they deserve what ever they get, scum." Remember that the next time you are at a picnic and have 5-6 beers in an afternoon. You will blow over the limit, and thus have a DUI. (if you are driving, duh) You will not be drunk, or a hazard. However, your life is forever altered. It is very easy to say "never drink and drive", but if you drink, ever, you will.
 
2004-03-24 12:23:57 AM
i know people with like 7 and 8 DWIs. this kid who lives in my apartment complex has 4, and he's only 22.

but, of course... nothing ever happens to these people. atthe end of the day, it's all about who you know and how much money you have.
 
2004-03-24 12:24:31 AM
2004-03-23 10:27:37 PM CaptainFatass

Screw all of you Biblically vengeful MADD types. I was popped for a "DUI" this weekend, at one of those money-generating checkpoints the cops periodically set up when the city coffers need a boost. I had consumed four beers over a six-hour period, the last one well over an hour before I got in my car. ....SNIP.....

2004-03-23 10:34:13 PM rhiannon

CaptainFatass: Sounds like your problems with the police, not the DUI laws.

- - - - - - -

No, his problems are with procedures that dictate the way the police go about their business. Cops are under pressure to catch as many people as possible (speeding, DWI, whatever) and will go to some lengths to hold onto a catch, even if its blatantly obvious that the person is perfectly fine.

It is my opinion that drug laws in the states have reached totalitarian-like levels of authority. I'm a tall guy and can drink quite heavily without showing any signs of intoxication, or exhibiting any problems relating to the operation of a vehicle. Yet, for some reason, if I have four or five beers and get pulled over, my ass ends up in jail. These troubles are compounded if the already quite low BAC of .08 in Illinois is lowered to .06. It's BULLshiat. So then I'm marked with a shiny new plate that reminds others of nothing but irresponsibility and death? Nice.

So I guess I wouldn't mind this law so much if the laws governing the dispensing of DWI offenses were tighter.

Or maybe I'm just a drunk driver.
 
2004-03-24 12:34:18 AM
Maybe they should ban the production, transportation, and sale of alcohol?

Oh wait. They already tried that.
 
2004-03-24 12:39:05 AM
Americans like to play with fire but don't like to get burned. No, they farking kick and bite and scratch if they get singed even a little but. Pussies.
 
2004-03-24 12:45:41 AM
2004-03-24 12:39:05 AM blastradys



Nice try.
 
2004-03-24 01:00:09 AM
True story. My boyfriend's mom's ex-boyfriend....a little town in Louisiana... raged at my boyfriend for smoking a little pot...

a jerry springer story just waiting to be told.
 
2004-03-24 01:02:08 AM
Eh, you know its true. We suck.

We set up so many regulations for things that we want. We want to smoke, we want to drink, we want to fark on camera, whatever, you know. But there are always people that take it too far - and most countries understand this. But we, well, we police, and police, and police some more, then take some rights away, and throw some people in jail. Maybe I'm just extracting too much from this article, but maybe not.

And...come on, at least use a male doll for christ sake. I mean, shiat.
 
2004-03-24 01:11:37 AM
j3bu5 - raven
 
2004-03-24 01:21:08 AM
2004-03-23 10:27:37 PM CaptainFatass
Sounds lie you got hosed. In most states, the field sobriety test is optional, although the crooked ass cops present it to you as if it were mandatory - they're coached on the proper ambiguous language to use and kind of roll you into it before you know what's happening. They then take you through a test has no clearly defined end other than when they have collected enough 'evidence' to convict you. Most people can't perform the tasks sober even without traffic whizzing by and blue lights flashing. Hire a good lawyer who will fight the good fight if you can afford it. If you didn't admit that the beers affected you, you may have pretty good shot of beating it with your blood test results.
 
2004-03-24 01:46:17 AM
clevershark: no kidding, eh? Out here you lose your license on the first offense.
 
2004-03-24 01:56:15 AM
I miss the good ole days before MADD when they just told you to drive home and stay there. Back then the limits were high enough that the officer had the discretion to determine for himself if you were OK to drive. Now my wife and I have to take turns being the DD even if we're just going out for dinner and a bottle of wine. Over-reactive legislation at its finest and us taxpayers just keep paying more and more and get less and less. I'm all for a local chapter of DAMM myself.
 
2004-03-24 02:29:00 AM
/caught the snow crash reference
 
2004-03-24 04:23:49 AM
If a three-time DWI convict is behind the wheel, it's the State, and the people's lack of vigilance, that are the true culprits.

Lifetime loss of license should result after DWI conviction #2. Execution should result for those who drive illegally thereafter.

Cars are weapons. Just because they're not necessarily penis-shaped like guns doesn't mean you can ignore their threat. You know what I'm talking about.
 
2004-03-24 06:12:49 AM
vapor, guns dont look lick wangs

if you see a crank every time you see a firearm, you've got some issues, maybe some serious sexual repression.

people who like big cars and guns arent necessarily trying to amend their ego, they may be engineering savants or just having fun... or women

anyway, executing people should only occur for intent oriented crime, not neglegence. i agree with you that drunks shouldnt drive, neither should potheads or stupid people... and maybe violateors of those laws should be fined heavily, maybe pull a few days in jail, but you dont give the government the power to kill merely for noncompliance... it should be in a case where someone meant to harm another, at minimum
 
2004-03-24 07:07:05 AM
"It is very easy to say "never drink and drive", but if you drink, ever, you will."

Bullchips. I drink and have had my own personal zero tolerance policy for driving with ANY alcohol in my system. I've been doing this for the last 19 years. But maybe you're right. I do feel a slip up coming. In about, oh, 15 years. So WATCH OUT!
(Hint for you: They're called designated drivers. Learn to love them. Buy them pop).
 
2004-03-24 07:20:21 AM
Any alcohol? Do you drive to work after taking cold medicine? Do you drive after drinking a beer 12 hours earlier?

Get real. The reality of the matter is that there IS a point where your judgement isn't affected at all and you can still drink. And the reality of the matter is that a .06 limit is laughable when it comes to affecting you behind the wheel.

MADD has gone too far. When the founder says that they've gone too far, perhaps there's something to what people are saying about them.

Crap, any time I'm out late and night and get pulled over, the first question is invariably "have you been drinking", followed by a good 20-30 minutes of nonsense to prove that I haven't been drinking. Face it: these laws aren't making a difference for DWI/DUI, which is why people still have their license after 3 offenses (provided they have the necessary $$$), they're just leading to increased police harassment of regular people.

"Your honor, I thought he might have been drinking because he swerved and a local bar had recently closed"
 
2004-03-24 08:08:07 AM
3 DWIs is a lot, you should've learned by then (or gone broke from fines, lawyers, insurance).

i think maybe rather than getting these plates after 3 DWIs, it should be after someone gets a DWI with a really high BAC, like .2 or something. i'm more worried about the guy who may have been busted once with a .2 than the guy who got 3 DWIs at .08.

this is similar to people having the right to know whether or not a convicted sex offender lives in their neighborhood. you could easily argue that someone who drives drunk enough to get caught 3 times (not to mention the many times that they haven't been caught) is a danger to other drivers and pedestrians.
 
2004-03-24 08:52:06 AM
I am real, and while I'm no expert I'm pretty sure at my bodyweight my liver would have metabolized one beer I drank 12 hours before my going to work. I can't comment on the cold medicine, I don't take any. Did take some Contac C a year ago, but I was so sick at the time I didn't go out anywhere. How much alcohol is in Contac C anyway?
As I said earlier, my policy is my own.
 
2004-03-24 09:11:16 AM
What, no plate for the wife beating murdering child molestors? I guess DUI must be the worst crime out there.
 
2004-03-24 09:36:10 AM
You people are sheep. Why don't you just throw all your rights in a bucket and hand it to the first cop that stops you.

biggbossman, spare us your paranoid rhetoric. Get back in your wooden shack in the hills where you belong.
 
2004-03-24 09:44:49 AM
I ain't reading all these comments - so if I'm a repeat, just ignore me.

AFTER 3 DWIs, IF YOU ARE CAUGHT DRIVING, YOU SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR 10 YEARS. PERIOD.

If you've been drinking, stay the FarK off my road, motherfarker!


/that is all
 
2004-03-24 10:55:19 AM
I waver back and forth on this. I don't drink anymore, so it doesn't affect me. When I did drink I would have a few and have no problems driving home. Unfortunately, I know too many people who love to get plastered and drive.

Recently, a good friend's bandmate was hit and killed by a drunk driver/gang member in Chicago. The guy was lucky enough to push his girlfriend out of the way before he was hit and killed. It is things like this that really bug me, but I take solace in the fact that the culprit will be ass raped for the rest of his natural born life.
 
2004-03-24 12:09:14 PM
Most of the people with 3 DWI's have probably driven way more than 3 times while intoxicated, they've just been caught 3 times. I don't feel the least bit sorry for them that they have to show everyone what a screw up they are.
 
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