Peak antifreeze? What will I drink with fish now?

Not responding to anyone in particular, but I find this passage worrisome.

The forecast assumes that sufficient capital will be available to expand production capacity.

Damn it, it won't let me use the a href. Here's the link http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/overview.html

So is the government blindly assuming that the world can keep up with oil production or what?

chtorran beat me to it.

I know this great little shop on Mars, all the oil you could want..

How is Cheney's energy plan working out?

I see

farkin ingrates...america has the cheapest gas out of anywhere in the world. travel a little and then you'll realize how godamned expensive this shiat is elsewhere

Hydrogen cells are great, the only problem is where do you get the fuel?

Hydrogen does not easily come pure like oil. The main way to get it is through the electroylosis of water (2 Hydrogens + 1 Oxygen). Unfortunately that takes electricity and 50%+ of our electricity comes from non-renewable sources. And the amount of power used to get the hydrogen out is more than the amount of power that the hydrogen can get. Basically the only way it could work in a sustainable way is if our electricity came completely from Nuclear, and renewables, which it isn't close to.

/This concludes today's lesson

Mrstupid7

So is the government blindly assuming that the world can keep up with oil production or what?

From what I've read, there's lotsa oil in the 'stans, around the Caspian Sea, so we're moving our forward military bases out of Europe and into Bulgaria and Romania, made nice with Uzbekistan and Khazakstan, rewired Georgia to secure the Caspian-Black Sea petroleum lines. India and China, 2 big growth markets, get the Afghani gas piped through the Khyber pass or through Pakistan.

/I am not usually invited to parties.

2004-03-23 08:47:56 PM loabn

If US invades Canada will any of you gorgeous Americans women be coming? Canadian girls - contrary to what the T-shirt says - do not kick ass

Say it isn't so!!!

Not only does California require special gas (which means that the suppliers can't get cheaper gas from states with a surplus), they *also* haven't let anyone build a new refinery there in years -- which means that every year there is exactly X gallons of "special California" gasoline (unless one of the elderly refineries breaks down, in which case there's less).

And, since every year more people move to CA and bring their cars, or existing people buy new ones, the price of gas goes up every spring, when the refiners do their annual shift in product from heating oil to gasoline (all made from the same crude; they just shift the proportions around). Which makes the newspaper and wire services guys happy, because they can just take last year's story about high gas prices, update the numbers, and get it highlighted on Fark with an asinine tag...

Build some more refineries, and the price shifts won't be quite as dramatic ($1.57/gal for regular here in Texas -- man, that's expensive gas!!!)

I have a car that runs on natural gas...
Farts!
But Powell's FCC won't allow me to drive it, because farts are now considered offensive.
My car that ran on breast feeding was also banned.

/can't win

What I'd like to see, side by side, is average income (adjusted for inflation) compared to the price of gasoline.

I bet you'll see incomes going down as fuel prices rise. What we really need to look at is how much of a person's income does it take to fill a car, compare to how much they're making.

Went from 1.599 yesterday to 1.839 today

Just to let you know, "Bob" predicted we'd all be paying for air after X-Day.

We're paying for air.

Just so you know I've expected this nightmare decades ago. I am surprised the Conspiracy has waited so long.

Here's an idea---STOP DRIVING SO DAMN MUCH!

Or if that ain't possible, try driving something that gets decent fuel economy. You don't NEED that Ford Exhibition to get your groceries. Get out of it, you're killing us all with that pollution.

It ain't rocket science folks.

I honestly don't even look at gas prices any more. I need the shiat to go places in my car, so whether it's 90cents a gallon or $2.00 a gallon, I still need it to power my car. I just fill up the tank, and hope for the best.

for farksakes, chtorran, I know my answer before I even open the thread, and there it is, Weeners. :D

What the fark did the censors do to my sentence?!!

and I second (/third/whatever) that: BIODIESEL

/they piddled on your lovely rug

We are very privleged to be of a generation that will get to see the end of the world as we know it as affordable oil goes the way of the passenger pigeon.

We all gotta die one day anyway, it might as well be at each other throats, fighting for food and water.

shiat, its not like the Sun isn't going to supernova one day anyway, and we'll be hit with hundreds of climate destroying asteroids before then.

The human race is a quirk of reality, gone in the blink of an eye, meaning nothing. Might as well have some fun if you are able.

I still think the rich will taste GREAT with some BBQ sauce and hickory chips.

For the record I lost my shirt, car, home and employment in the last Bush administration.

I never got back on my feet. I tried. Went insane. Really.

People work their asses off in the USA and get nothing but price increases and lower wages ... unless they know someone high up in the social pyramid. It's freakin' fact. Don't even get me started on what the RIAA did to me as a musician.

It's the same with oil and gas. You know someone, you have connections, you have push, you get the goods. The rest of us shlubs just have to take it and eat cockroach burgers.

CrazyCurt

Don't you know its just your own damn fault if you aren't banking 100 grand or more a year? Didn't you get the memo?

Everybody can be president if they just work hard enough! Just look at George Bush Jr. You think he had anything handed to him?

BlobBrain --- really? I thought you had to have a personal relationship with Jesus. I mean everyone knows Christ hates poor people and poor people must be of the devil, otherwise they wouldn't be poor because Jesus loves them and gives them money. Well that's what I was taught anyway.

;)-

'bout $2.09 here in Vegas. for the cheap stuff.

farking re-dic-u-lous.

$1.83 today in my city. a station in the town down the highway was practically giving it away at $1.57. there was a lne of about 15 cars parked in the road waiting for their turn. and it was a pretty busy road.

i got a nifty picture of the "$1.83" sign from the speedway here in town.. its nifty because theres an american flag flying right above it.... im quite proud of my picture.

BlobBrain, CrazyCurt Can I buy you fellows a drink?

Right now I'm thinking $89 billion would have subsidized a lot of gas. Or, it would have made a heel of a dent in alternate fuel R&D.

your mother?

what you say about my mother?

/overreacting

Saying we are going to run out of oil is like saying we are going to run out of granite. There's lots of oil all over the place. Alaska, for example, is practically floating on that shiat.

Someday in the distant future we'll have the technology to harvest the staggeringly massive reserves of oil under the Gulf of Mexico. We haven't bothered to invest very much money in such technology yet because gas is so goddamn cheap that it's not worth pumping it out from down there.

Also, I don't give a crap how much Californians are paying for gas. That's a direct result of their own asinine energy policies, just like the "rolling blackouts" they had to endure a couple years ago. Get your state government un-farked-up and you won't have these stupid problems.

Here in Minnesota, it's been waving between a buck fifty and a buck eighty for the last couple years, and that's more than cheap enough for me to continue driving my massive boat of a car with a V8 engine.

2.09, VegasJ? Where did you see that? It was 1.85 in Baker 2 days ago on my drive back into town.

we will probably never run out of fossil fuels, we just wont be able to afford them when the supply gets critically low. we need to find a way to run cars on dirt or something, theres plenty of that goin around.

Haha...yeah, I was talking out of my ass. Good call.

/or was I?

$1.738 for a gallon of gas? Why, that must be at Donny's Discount Gas!

/obscure Simpsons reference

Gas was only $1.49 last week here in South-East Michigan/Northwest Ohio area... then the very next day it was up to $1.70. Boy am I glad I filled up that day... Toledo people --- Go to the Clark on Alexis Rd by Sylvania, cheapeast gas around!!

CrazyCurt
..lost my shirt...in first Bush administration
Are you saying you wagered large amounts of money on Dukakis?

Evil Cheyney & Bush, the oil Barons, sticking it to we under-rich again. They are really shafting us.

On the flip side, here are a few things off the top of my head that cost more than $2.00 a gallon:

- A couple of 12-oz waters at most stores
- Soup
- Wine, Spirits, Beer
- Coke, Pepsi, etc.

Anyone else?

Well, I guess all those people who said the war in Iraq was about oil were wrong...

/Anybody But Anybody But Bush

But are you factoring in the battery's inefficiency? Loses maybe 5% of energy before it's used--or so I've heard?

Now hydrogen cells, I like.

/grasping at straws, even after conceding point

Gas prices are also up because recent states (NY, for example) have banned the additive MTBE. I'm not sure the exact reasoning, but this has led to significantly higher gas prices in these states.

vid
"Saying we are going to run out of oil is like saying we are going to run out of granite."

Not according to everything I have read. Affordable oil is in its waning days. This is fact.

"There's lots of oil all over the place. Alaska, for example, is practically floating on that shiat."

Enough to fuel the entire USA for a half-year.

"Someday in the distant future we'll have the technology to harvest the staggeringly massive reserves of oil under the Gulf of Mexico."

What makes you so certain of that? We have probably waited too long to pursue alternative fuel/energy technologies and vague ideas like the one you just floated. These things require lots and lots of oil, and we are quickly running out of time.

"We haven't bothered to invest very much money in such technology yet because gas is so goddamn cheap that it's not worth pumping it out from down there."

We are below 50% of our own oil reserves *right now*.

"Also, I don't give a crap how much Californians are paying for gas."

And they won't give a crap about you.

"Here in Minnesota, it's been waving between a buck fifty and a buck eighty for the last couple years, and that's more than cheap enough for me to continue driving my massive boat of a car with a V8 engine."

Long term planning, gotta love it.

If I recall correctly about 40% of US domestic gas consumption is supplied from US sources, the other 60% is imported. Of the part that is imported, only about 20% comes from the middle east. Russia is a big wild card too and if trade is stepped up w/ them they could become a bigger supplier as well. Decreased domestic consumption combined with increased domestic exploration + alternative fuel sources could really reduce dependence on foreign oil.

The price of a wholesale gal of gasoline based on current mkts is about $1.10-$1.15/gal. The much higher pump price is all taxes on top of that.

Hey it is 2004, shouldn't we all have flying cars that run on their own nuclear fusion reactors anyway? What's the hold up?

bobbette,

Yeah, sure, but what about us where the nearest bus station is 50 miles away. And what about us who can't afford to buy shiney new hybrid cars? Huh?

davidv

Start a grassroots movement for public transportation. Get a good pair of walking shoes.

davidv

Hybrids aren't all that expensive. Especially with gas the way it is.