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(Grist)   Remember the FEMA trailers that reeked of formaldehyde at 75x the safe levels and were only supposed to be used for a few months, at best. Yup. Still out there   (grist.org) divider line
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2015-09-01 01:01:57 AM  
FEMA needs an enema.
 
2015-09-01 01:46:53 AM  
"Do not initiate any testing until we give the OK," a FEMA lawyer named Patrick Preston advised on June 15, 2006. "Once you get results and should they indicate some problem, the clock is running on our duty to respond to them."

How can people be so morally bankrupt?
 
2015-09-01 02:29:35 AM  
You mean I shouldn't smoke the trailers?
 
2015-09-01 03:24:32 AM  
Better than a Katrina fridge.

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2015-09-01 03:25:12 AM  

jjwars1: "Do not initiate any testing until we give the OK," a FEMA lawyer named Patrick Preston advised on June 15, 2006. "Once you get results and should they indicate some problem, the clock is running on our duty to respond to them."

How can people be so morally bankrupt?


ctrl-F "lawyer"
 
2015-09-01 03:27:19 AM  
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2015-09-01 03:34:26 AM  
Jesus. They're still using those death traps a decade later? And FEMA unloaded them to shadey buyers with a "DO NOT INHABIT" sticker? And they magically got back into the market?
 
2015-09-01 03:34:57 AM  
Why are these people still in there?  Get off your lazy ass and find a real home.

I say this as a poor ass mofo.
 
2015-09-01 03:37:13 AM  
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2015-09-01 03:40:13 AM  
Occupants may die prematurely, but their bodies will be impeccably well preserved.
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2015-09-01 03:40:21 AM  
Brownie is still doing one heckuva job.
 
2015-09-01 03:42:55 AM  
Couldn't we give them something like this?

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2015-09-01 03:48:55 AM  
This is not FEMA's fault. Trailers should never have been exempt from housing rules regarding formaldehyde and other chemicals. The companies that made then did it that way because it made money and nobody was out there defending the health of the poor. It only came out that trailers were often dangerously fumy after Katrina because a lot of people had to live in them and the news was all over it.

Just another example of American capitalism at work.
 
2015-09-01 03:56:02 AM  
Has anyone bothered to retest these? I mean, toxic chemicals do tend to offgas and fade away after a while. Could be that they're so horrifically made that the offgassing is even higher now than when they were new, but somehow I doubt that.

shiatty trailers bought cheap, I doubt the occupants expect to live long anyway.
 
2015-09-01 03:57:29 AM  

foxyshadis: Has anyone bothered to retest these? I mean, toxic chemicals do tend to offgas and fade away after a while. Could be that they're so horrifically made that the offgassing is even higher now than when they were new, but somehow I doubt that.

shiatty trailers bought cheap, I doubt the occupants expect to live long anyway.


My off gassing has got worse as I get older.
 
2015-09-01 04:01:46 AM  

foxyshadis: Has anyone bothered to retest these? I mean, toxic chemicals do tend to offgas and fade away after a while. Could be that they're so horrifically made that the offgassing is even higher now than when they were new, but somehow I doubt that.

shiatty trailers bought cheap, I doubt the occupants expect to live long anyway.


A little invisible hand free market and the problem solves itself.
 
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2015-09-01 04:01:56 AM  

adamatari: This is not FEMA's fault. Trailers should never have been exempt from housing rules regarding formaldehyde and other chemicals. The companies that made then did it that way because it made money and nobody was out there defending the health of the poor. It only came out that trailers were often dangerously fumy after Katrina because a lot of people had to live in them and the news was all over it.

Just another example of American capitalism human stupidity at work.

 
2015-09-01 04:03:46 AM  

jjwars1: "Do not initiate any testing until we give the OK," a FEMA lawyer named Patrick Preston advised on June 15, 2006. "Once you get results and should they indicate some problem, the clock is running on our duty to respond to them."

How can people be so morally bankrupt?


I think it's a prerequisite for corporate or government work.
 
2015-09-01 04:07:54 AM  
Didn't read entire tedious article.  Isn't there some point at which formaldehyde ceases to outgas?
 
2015-09-01 04:17:45 AM  
Forgoing
Environment
Merits
Apocalypse


/amidoinitrite?
 
2015-09-01 04:19:21 AM  

adamatari: This is not FEMA's fault. Trailers should never have been exempt from housing rules regarding formaldehyde and other chemicals. The companies that made then did it that way because it made money and nobody was out there defending the health of the poor. It only came out that trailers were often dangerously fumy after Katrina because a lot of people had to live in them and the news was all over it.

Just another example of American capitalism at work.


It wasn't the companies that made the trailers, it was the companies that made the plywood that the trailer builders used. It was linked to improper heat treating of the plywood.

Then the govt dropped the ball on dealing with it. your tax dollars at work.

1) buy a shiat ton of trailers in an emergency situation at likely inflated prices.
2) find out they are uninhabitable.
3) sell them for pennies on the dollar, but make them safe with a sticker that marks them as uninhabitable.
4) don't profit and peddle a dangerous product.
 
2015-09-01 04:21:55 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Didn't read entire tedious article.  Isn't there some point at which formaldehyde ceases to outgas?


According to the guy that is going around testing the trailers they are still off gassing at dangerously high levels.

Once the trailers are sold at auctions the resellers that the warning stickers off the trailers.
 
2015-09-01 05:06:55 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Couldn't we give them something like this?

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Illustrated by Thomas Kinkade?
 
2015-09-01 06:05:59 AM  

adamatari: This is not FEMA's fault. Trailers should never have been exempt from housing rules regarding formaldehyde and other chemicals. The companies that made then did it that way because it made money and nobody was out there defending the health of the poor. It only came out that trailers were often dangerously fumy after Katrina because a lot of people had to live in them and the news was all over it.

Just another example of American capitalism at work.


Government is supposed to protect its citizens. If the trailers were poorly made, find better trailers.
But....since government officials are typically lazy and corrupt, poisonous trailers were what Katrina victims were stuck with.
 
2015-09-01 06:08:05 AM  

DubyaHater: adamatari: This is not FEMA's fault. Trailers should never have been exempt from housing rules regarding formaldehyde and other chemicals. The companies that made then did it that way because it made money and nobody was out there defending the health of the poor. It only came out that trailers were often dangerously fumy after Katrina because a lot of people had to live in them and the news was all over it.

Just another example of American capitalism at work.

Government is supposed to protect its citizens. If the trailers were poorly made, find better trailers.
But....since government officials are typically lazy and corrupt, poisonous trailers were what Katrina victims were stuck with.


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2015-09-01 06:11:23 AM  

ZMugg: Illustrated by Thomas Kinkade?


Modelled in Minecraft.
 
2015-09-01 06:21:42 AM  

ecl: Brownie is still doing one heckuva job.


nah, trailers were sold in 2010, this is  SMART POWERTM at work.
 
2015-09-01 06:27:10 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Couldn't we give them something like this?

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Where's the money going to come from? Tiny homes are very expensive per square foot, before you even factor in the free labor and salvaged material a lot of them rely heavily on.
 
2015-09-01 06:28:58 AM  

RatMaster999: Why are these people still in there?  Get off your lazy ass and find a real home.

I say this as a poor ass mofo.


Yeah I think I have to agree here... After ten years, you're now living in a FEMA trailer by choice or inaction. Neither should be garnering sympathy.
 
2015-09-01 06:33:34 AM  
Should have RTFA first, but even if the trailer is now in North Dakota it's still a conscious decision to live in one.
 
2015-09-01 06:39:17 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Couldn't we give them something like this?

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A papasan chair? Some have no taste
 
2015-09-01 06:45:06 AM  

adamatari: This is not FEMA's fault. Trailers should never have been exempt from housing rules regarding formaldehyde and other chemicals. The companies that made then did it that way because it made money and nobody was out there defending the health of the poor. It only came out that trailers were often dangerously fumy after Katrina because a lot of people had to live in them and the news was all over it.

Just another example of American capitalism at work.


Yes, the government should really step in and do something. That's the answer to all their problems.

The lie that President Bush was somehow responsible for the democrat disaster of Katrina will continue to be pushed by the left because the fact that the leftist mayors (and in the case of LA. during Katrina, a leftist democrat governor) are incompetent partisan hacks who actually kill people with their incompetence must be covered up as long as possible: with so many US cities imploding this summer it's getting harder and harder to obscure the fact that the democrat model, like communism in the USSR, just won't work. Illinois, another example. California, 100% of which is run by the democrats, is next.

FEMA was actually effective during Katrina, but the flailing democrat LA governor and the corrupt democrat NO mayor did nearly everything they could to kill their own constituents and keep President Bush from helping them. Now we have a corrupt and incompetent democrat in the White House as well, it's no wonder the EPA is actively poisoning the rivers it purportedly "protects" and FEMA is ineffective at best and dangerous at worst.

In the coming years the disasters of the obama admin will have to be cleaned up one by one, just like ravaged East Germany when it finally reunited with West Germany. Thank god the dems have zero power to actually pass any laws and all the vaunted "executive orders" can be undone with the stroke of pen, including obamacare (just refuse to enforce it, like obama does with immigration and drug laws). But in the meantime people are suffering under the Miserable Failure of a Stuttering Cluster fark.

He has been quite a gift to the Republicans, declared all but dead at the beginning of his term in 2009 with 60 Democrats in the Senate-counting two independents who caucused with the party-and 257 House members. Today, there are 46 members of the Senate Democratic caucus, the worst showing since the first year after the Reagan landslide. Across the Capitol, there are 188 Democrats in the House, giving Republicans their best showing since Herbert Hoover took the White House in 1929.
This is, however, the tip of the iceberg. When you look at the states, the collapse of the party's fortunes are worse. Republicans now hold 31 governorships, nine more than they held when Obama was inaugurated. During the last six years the GOP has won governorships in purple and even deep blue states: Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio. In the last midterms, only one endangered Republican governor-Tom Corbett in Pennsylvania-was replaced by a Democrat. (Sean Parnell in Alaska lost to an independent.) Every other endangered Republican returned to office.

Now turn to state legislatures-although if you're a loyal Democrat, you may want to avert your eyes. In 2009, Democrats were in full control of 27 state legislatures; Republicans held full power in 14. Now? The GOP is in full control of 30 state legislatures; Democrats hold full power in just 11. In 24 states, Republicans control the governorship and both houses of the legislature-giving them total control over the political process. That increased power at the state level has already led to serious consequences for Democrats, for their political future and for their goals.
"It's almost a crime," Democratic Party Vice Chair Donna Brazile says. "We have been absolutely decimated at the state and local level."


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/democratic-blues-1215 61
 
2015-09-01 07:04:21 AM  
Are there still hundreds of those mobile homes still being stored around the runways of the Hope Arkansas airport?
 
2015-09-01 07:06:26 AM  

dryknife: Are there still hundreds of those mobile homes still being stored around the runways of the Hope Arkansas airport?


I Hope not.
 
2015-09-01 07:12:55 AM  

DrunkenYodaZen: BarkingUnicorn: Didn't read entire tedious article.  Isn't there some point at which formaldehyde ceases to outgas?

According to the guy that is going around testing the trailers they are still off gassing at dangerously high levels.

Once the trailers are sold at auctions the resellers that the warning stickers off the trailers.


According to TFA, they did stop gassing off, for the most part. They went from 5 times the legal limit of 16ppm and above, to only 20ppm average in the most recent tests.
 
2015-09-01 07:20:10 AM  
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Could be worse....?
 
2015-09-01 07:20:19 AM  
I got this one:

docweasel: adamatari: This is not FEMA's fault. Trailers should never have been exempt from housing rules regarding formaldehyde and other chemicals. The companies that made then did it that way because it made money and nobody was out there defending the health of the poor. It only came out that trailers were often dangerously fumy after Katrina because a lot of people had to live in them and the news was all over it.

Just another example of American capitalism at work.

Yes, the government should really step in and do something. That's the answer to all their problems.

The lie that President Bush was somehow responsible for the democrat disaster of Katrina will continue to be pushed by the left because the fact that the leftist mayors (and in the case of LA. during Katrina, a leftist democrat governor) are incompetent partisan hacks who actually kill people with their incompetence must be covered up as long as possible: with so many US cities imploding this summer it's getting harder and harder to obscure the fact that the democrat model, like communism in the USSR, just won't work. Illinois, another example. California, 100% of which is run by the democrats, is next.

FEMA was actually effective during Katrina, but the flailing democrat LA governor and the corrupt democrat NO mayor did nearly everything they could to kill their own constituents and keep President Bush from helping them. Now we have a corrupt and incompetent democrat in the White House as well, it's no wonder the EPA is actively poisoning the rivers it purportedly "protects" and FEMA is ineffective at best and dangerous at worst.

In the coming years the disasters of the obama admin will have to be cleaned up one by one, just like ravaged East Germany when it finally reunited with West Germany. Thank god the dems have zero power to actually pass any laws and all the vaunted "executive orders" can be undone with the stroke of pen, including obamacare (just refuse to enforce it, like obama does with immigrat ...


                                           
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2015-09-01 07:22:14 AM  
Katrina worked itself out already. Stand by for the war on Global Warming, eh,Climate Change,eh,Weather.
From the same folks.
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2015-09-01 07:43:37 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Harry_Seldon: Couldn't we give them something like this?

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Where's the money going to come from? Tiny homes are very expensive per square foot, before you even factor in the free labor and salvaged material a lot of them rely heavily on.


Actually, I remember back in 2005-06, there was also a Katrina Cottage, which was cheaper than the trailer. But FEMA didn't want to buy them because the cottages were more long-term solutions and the trailers were supposed to be temporary.
 
2015-09-01 07:44:00 AM  
I'd like to see a chemical toxin analysis of mobile homes in general.  I have this feeling that due to a lack of regulation on their construction, a lot of shady stuff goes down.
 
2015-09-01 07:48:26 AM  
Someone was telling me just the other day about getting some "FEMA trailers" and going to do some project with them. Of course he had some sure-fire scheme where he would make a pile of money, and it would be perfectly OK to use contaminated materials to do it, because reasons.
 
2015-09-01 07:57:54 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: dryknife: Are there still hundreds of those mobile homes still being stored around the runways of the Hope Arkansas airport?

I Hope not.


You want tornados? Because that's how you get tornados
 
2015-09-01 08:09:18 AM  
I'm willing to bet that some of the manufacturers of the trailers were buddies with the people awarding the bids.
 
2015-09-01 08:58:31 AM  
They are no different than the ones people spend tens of thousands of dollars on so they can go sit in them every weekend during the summer.
 
2015-09-01 09:08:06 AM  
10 years.

they had 10 years to unfark their lives. At this point why should anyone care?
 
2015-09-01 09:08:45 AM  

jjwars1: "Do not initiate any testing until we give the OK," a FEMA lawyer named Patrick Preston advised on June 15, 2006. "Once you get results and should they indicate some problem, the clock is running on our duty to respond to them."

How can people be so morally bankrupt?


Remember, though, none of this was Brownie's fault. It was all due to that dastardly duo, Blanco and Nagin, and their willing stooges, the first responders. He was merely the head of FEMA, and not a responsible party capable of taking action and coordinating federal, local, and state activities. And yet we have folks like docweasel, regurgitating portions of Brownie's non-apology apology, begging us to rewrite history so that we think of him as merely an ineffectual pawn in a political struggle instead of the ill-equipped, superficial asshole who had to be replaced mere days into the crisis. He shares as much, if not more, blame with the very folks with whom he's smearing the memories of the disaster and the dead.

The only thing worse than watching the events that unfolded in the weeks during and after the hurricane, is watching those events rewritten by Brown and others to try and shift blame, a decade later, so this asshole can get a job again.
 
2015-09-01 09:20:06 AM  
I thought these were converted into re-education camps.
 
2015-09-01 09:44:53 AM  
Some people never miss any opportunity to biatch about the government, it's like some constant need they have to fulfill. They needed 120k trailers as fast as possible, they bought them from every company they could find at the time. There was no conspiracy, there were no inside deals, there were no kickbacks, they were just trying to help the people in the area with temporary housing. If there is anyone to blame for the problem it would be the company that made the materials used, they likely took shortcuts due to the sudden demand.

So what if they sold the trailers with nothing more than a sticker attached to them? What did people expect them to do, sell them for scrap and supervise the destruction of each and every one of them? The off gassing of formaldehyde has most likely dropped to below acceptable levels by now, and even if it hasn't they're still perfectly usable for storage or other non housing applications. If people are still living in them then for one it's probably perfectly safe and two, it's not FEMA's fault what was done with them after they were sold.
 
2015-09-01 09:49:27 AM  
Holy shiat, this story is America in a nutshell.
 
2015-09-01 09:49:48 AM  

Yogimus: 10 years.

they had 10 years to unfark their lives. At this point why should anyone care?


You know that a lot of this article is about where the unsafe trailers ended up going after FEMA sold them right?  It even starts with a paragraph about oil patch workers living in one.....
 
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