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2001-12-20 08:39:46 AM
Well, "Duh" - Oliver Stone movies are rarely more than fiction wrapped in a historical cloak.
 
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2001-12-20 08:44:46 AM
Let me guess, it's 3 hours long and all that happens it Ronnie saying "Can I have some more apple sauce mommie?" as Nancy changes his diapers.
 
2001-12-20 08:59:29 AM
Will the actor who plays Ronnie be required to run for president in 2004?
 
2001-12-20 09:00:23 AM
I'm waiting for the Oliver Stone movie of the Clinton years. He'll replace Monica with a troupe of twelve dancing strippers who have Bill tied down to his desk stark naked. Rumor has it that none other than Babs Streisand will play the role of Hillary the biatch.
 
2001-12-20 09:15:04 AM
Actually, Oliver will most likely make Clinton out to be a god. After destroying Nixon with lies and propaganda he deserves to be shot. What an asshole. I havent seen this Reagan movie, but if he tried to destroy the character of one of the greatest presidents in American history, he would be deserving of another shooting.
 
2001-12-20 09:20:44 AM
"Blah blah blah MY BUDDY Haig, blah blah Stone blah liberal blah blah blah. Blah blah know it's true blah blah republicans said so. Blah blah blah, blah blah - Clinton's fault."

Another fine NewsMax article.

Chemmie - If Stone wanted to "destroy the character of one of the greatest presidents in American history", he wouldn't have wasted his time making a film about Reagan.

[begin flamewar now]
 
2001-12-20 09:24:19 AM
Fb- - How'm I doing? I've decided you're my new Buddy Lee. "I wanna be like Fb-"... but with a take shots at all sides attitude. Hell, I'm no Harmonica or Goat(sex)man, waving the terrorist-hugging, anti-US banner. I just wanna be an equal-opportunity Fb-! Piss off the right AND the left!
 
2001-12-20 09:30:24 AM
After destroying Nixon with lies and propaganda he deserves to be shot. What an asshole.

Yes, it was Oliver Stone who destroyed Nixon. Not Nixon himself.

BTW, Reagan was a shiatty president. A complete retard who sent our country into huge debts building bombs we will never use while lining his buddies' pockets. Iran-Contra was fun, too.
 
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2001-12-20 09:32:47 AM
BigPhilly,

Regan is a pile of puke in my opinion.
 
2001-12-20 09:34:56 AM
This day Dec. 20 in Reagan History:

Events of December 20 in THE REAGAN YEARS:

1981: The Reagan administration seeks to ease rules on nursing homes, repealing regulations on sanitation and safety.

1981: White House PR man Michael Deaver says he can't make ends meet on his government salary of $60,000 a year.

1983: Reagan claims that El Salvador has "a 400 year history of military dictatorships." El Salvador's first military regime took power in 1931.

1986: Ed Meese speculates that Reagan may have approved the first Iranian arms deal while groggy with sedation after surgery. Donald T. Regan later writes that Reagan had been as alert as he ever is. Nancy Reagan accuses Reagan of treating the president as if he didn't need any time to recover from surgery.
 
2001-12-20 09:38:21 AM
Jesus Christ Freddie, we have had this discussion before. But since we all know that Bill Clinton was the savior of our economic stability and if Al Gore wouldnt have invented the internet then we wouldnt be anywhere huh? We cant praise anyone but Clinton for a long term economic policy that brought this country to some of the greatest prosperity we have ever seen. Just like we have to blame Dubya Bush for our current downturn of economic well being. Sometimes I just dont understand how you liberals believe the shiat that flies out of your mouths. You been listening to too much James Carvelle??
 
2001-12-20 09:41:50 AM
I never saw Nixon, but I'm sure its not historically accurate, did they even mention how he orchestrated both of the Kennedy assassinations? I bet not!
 
2001-12-20 09:42:51 AM
We can blame Dubya for a lot of things. Bring on 2004.
 
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2001-12-20 09:43:52 AM
Back and to the left.

Back and to the left.

Back and to the left.

Back and to the left.

Back and to the left.
 
2001-12-20 09:46:42 AM
This day Dec. 20 in Bill Clinton History:

1977: Chemmie was born, a farking wonderful day for all mankind. He would later become the lone conservative warrior for Fark.

1990: farked Jennifer Flowers a few times.
1991: Pinched his secratary's ass
1992: Compiled a list of how many broads he farked in the oval office during the course of a year.
1993: Raised Taxes
1994: Pussed out after some terrorist attacks.
1995: farked some more biatches in the oval office
1996: When taken to court on a sexual harrassment charge, committed purgery so he wouldnt get caught. Then went back to the oval office and banged Monica.
1997: Banged some biatches at the White House Christmas Party.
1998: Got Caught. Damned right wing conspiracy
1998-2001: Watched Hillary dyke out with Janet Reno a few times over the years, and banged a few more biatches.
 
2001-12-20 09:47:20 AM
Oh, let's have a MEANINGFUL Left-Right debate:

 
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2001-12-20 09:48:40 AM
I like Clinton. I voted for him and would again.
 
2001-12-20 09:49:47 AM
Newsmax.com has little basis in reality, like Oliver Stone's Reagan movie and his Nixon and JFK movies.

Haig was a maniacal ass, ranting that he was in charge, despite there being all of those other officals like a vice-president, speaker of the house, senate president-pro-temp, etc.

3Horn
 
2001-12-20 09:55:26 AM
Chemmie: You forgot three of Clinton's defining moments:

Summer 1992: Asked he ever smoked pot, Wee-Willy Clinton said, "I smoked marijuana, but I did not inhale."

January 1998: While shaking his finger - not pulling it - at the TV cameras, Wee-Willy Clinton said, "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

August 1998: During the perjury charge deposition, Wee-Willy Clinton said, "It depends on what the meaning of is is."

:-D
 
2001-12-20 09:59:20 AM
A relic from the Reagan years:

 
2001-12-20 10:07:48 AM
I laugh when people say they think Raygun was a 'great president', particularly when they were not even alive or were in diapers during his actual term of office. He was an incompetent fool and dishonest to boot. A barely passable actor, let alone politician.
 
2001-12-20 10:22:10 AM
NewsMax gets Reagan crony to deny that movie is historically accurate, then complains about media bias
 
2001-12-20 10:22:46 AM
For being forever described as a war mongerer, what did Reagan actually do: invade Grenada and bombed Libya. That was it right???

Damn, I lost count how many times Clinton used the military. Probably why half the world is pissed at the USA.
 
2001-12-20 10:54:21 AM
Reagan accelerated the arms race which forced the Soviets to do the same. Reagan knew our capitalist economy could outlast their communist economy. As a result Communism collapsed and the world in unbelievably a safer place to live in today that before Reagan was in office. Nuclear war is no longer an immediate threat.

I'm sure Stone will twist the facts and portray Reagan as an idiot. However, he is one of our finest presidents ever.
 
2001-12-20 10:57:05 AM
Yes, Communism, the world's biggest threat.
 
2001-12-20 10:58:35 AM
fark all that. 'Nixon' was a great movie, poetic liscence or not.
 
2001-12-20 11:08:23 AM
"Reagan knew our capitalist economy could outlast their communist economy. As a result Communism collapsed... "

You mean in retrospect his advisors can claim they gave good advice. Communism collapsed because communism is weak. Let's face it - the President's job is to take blame and credit. Nothing more.
 
2001-12-20 11:13:35 AM
Abox,

So the increased arms race which forced larger amounts of military spending by the Soviet Union had nothing to do with it? I don't think so.
 
2001-12-20 11:14:29 AM
Freddiemiles1: Yes, for fifty years it was the worlds biggest threat.
 
2001-12-20 11:23:04 AM
For anyone interested in exactly how Oliver Stone toyed with or blatantly disregarded facts in JFK, read this.
 
2001-12-20 11:30:45 AM
Anyone looking to movies for historical accuracy of any kind should never vote.
 
2001-12-20 11:31:58 AM
Hoosier-

let's add secret, illegal cia war in nicaragua to that list.

Oliver stone may be an idiot who makes up utter bullshiat for his 'historical' films, but that doesn't make reagan an less of an evil old bastard or crappy president.
 
2001-12-20 11:44:10 AM
NewsMax, Oliver Stone, how can any sane person argue either side as the "truth"??? It's not like either of them can make any claims to being remotely objective. Stone's not making documentaries, and NewsMax... well, er, hmmmm? NewsMax isn't anything more than some sort of neo-Bircher front. Joan Allen's Pat Nixon gig was pretty amazing in the Stone film, by the way...
 
2001-12-20 11:56:23 AM
RockandRoller

The increased arms race was an inevitable result of advancing military technology. The inability of the Soviets to withstand the economic impact was due to the inherent weakness of communism. To say 'Reagan accelerated the arms race' and 'Reagan knew...anything' is giving the man way to much credit.

If Reagan deserves any credit at all it's because he occupied the 'credit/blame' seat at the time and he would have had to take the blame if things went sour, even though it wouldn't really have been his fault.
 
2001-12-20 12:43:50 PM
I agree with Abox. I've always seen any president as primarily a speech-giver, a spokesman for his party.

For instance does anybody really think that Bush wrote this?

``Disclosure to Congress of confidential advice to the attorney general regarding the appointment of a special counsel and confidential recommendations to Department of Justice officials regarding whether to bring criminal charges would inhibit the candor necessary to the effectiveness of the deliberative process by which the department makes prosecutorial decisions,'' Bush wrote.

yeah, uh huh, sure.
 
2001-12-20 12:49:53 PM
Finally, Fb-, we agree on something! I do believe the sky is now falling.

Oliver Stone's Reagan movie has little basis in reality, like his Nixon and JFK movies

key phrase: has little basis in reality

Also applies to: Newsmax articles
 
2001-12-20 01:03:32 PM
When were we to assume a connection between Hollywood and reality? This follows the same mentality that commends the artistic merit of sit-coms that "tackle the issues." Or evaluates Janet Jackson as an entertainer be her extreme physical fitness. It's entertainment, kids --the stuff in People Magazine. Don't read anymore into it than glitz and [boobies], 'cause that's all it is. May as well look for the true story on the Biography Channel. Shiat.
 
2001-12-20 01:18:49 PM
Chemmie - Hate to burst your bubble but RR was by far the worst president that this country has ever had. Yes Clinton is a doody-head too. But not on the scale of Uncle Ronnie. He had some REAL scandals, not just BJ's. Let's see... what's worse - a little head in the Oval Office or SELLING ARMS TO A TERRORIST NATION - IRAN (the terrorists that he swore he'd never deal with?) IN ORDER TO FUND AN ILLEGAL WAR IN CENTRAL AMERICA AND THEN LYING ABOUT THE WHOLE SORDID AFFAIR? Perspective, my man, perspective.
And speaking of the religious right's obsession with the sex live of other people (possibly because they don't have a sex lives of their own?), just think what if... what if the repugs hadn't spent all that time and money chasing cum stains on dresses and instead had worried about oh, I don't know, TERRORISTS? But no. All they can do is sell arms to them.
 
2001-12-20 01:43:34 PM
Here's what Stone SHOULD have in his movie. It's a little known fact that the Hinkleys and the Bush families were friends. John Hinkley's brother was scheduled to have lunch with Neil Bush (George's son) the day of the assassination. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

That family is so farking dirty it makes both Clinton and Nixon look like the Dalai Lama.
 
2001-12-20 02:24:06 PM
Texas is gay.
 
2001-12-20 02:24:23 PM
Stone movies are not meant to be documentaries. Go watch the History Channel, if that's what some of you are looking for. I thought "Nixon" was pretty well done, and even made me occasionally sympathetic to the old dweeb.
 
2001-12-20 02:31:14 PM
I think it's kinda fitting... Reagan's presidency had little basis in reality, why should the movie?
 
2001-12-20 03:01:23 PM


dude, what's this?
 
2001-12-20 03:41:58 PM
Regans years were some of the most prosperous in the nations history. Despite what is detractors say he was one of the most popular presidents in history. That is untill int became en vouge to hate him. The prosperity of the Clinton years is nto due to his economic policy it is more due to the internet and other factors raising corprate taxes and individual taxes is not a cause/effect relationship with economic prosperity. He got lucky with the econmy we are seeing it slump now and even before the election I love to see how you are going to try and blame this recession on Bush.He is a remarkabley charismatic man I think he rivals regan in that regard but as a whole he gained popularity thru scandal, all teh right loved to hate Clinton which made the left more rabid in their blind support.
 
2001-12-20 03:43:50 PM
The truth is that Reagan was a complete dick with no political knowledge, but people liked him because he was a nice old man.
 
2001-12-20 03:46:59 PM
That is untill int became en vouge to hate him.

I've been hating him for twenty years now, thanks. He's a senile old fascist.
 
2001-12-20 03:51:53 PM
Peaceboy: I agree, Nixon was well done, and I even liked the tone and pacing of JFK. The problem is that there are people who are stupid enough to believe that if a movie is based on historical characters, then it should be dealt with as historical fact rather than as speculation or outright lies.

It's one thing to embellish stuff or fill in gaps where unknown events occurred. It's quite another to create a film that wipes its ass with known facts.
 
2001-12-20 04:01:23 PM
Christ Vman! A little too much nose candy at lunch.

The prosperity of the Clinton years is nto due to his economic policy it is more due to the internet and other factors raising corprate taxes and individual taxes is not a cause/effect relationship with economic prosperity.

WRONG. It is precisely due to his economic policy. It's actually really simple. Pay down your deficit, balance the budget, promote growth (not just with tax breaks!). See, Rightwads never get it. Giving huge companies billions of dollars in tax breaks is government spending. And it never works anyways. Why not give some money to people who really need it?
 
2001-12-20 04:49:55 PM
Qu'est-ce que c'est "vouge"? Je ne sais pas ce mot.
 
2001-12-20 04:51:29 PM
"En vouge"??? Vman is tres continental...
 
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