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(Pravda)   An American populist: Pravda.ru interviews Patrick Buchanan   (english.pravda.ru) divider line 30
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2001-12-19 08:35:28 AM
I dig Pat Buchanan.
 
2001-12-19 08:35:31 AM
What a boob... I am ashamed that my local newspaper actually carries this man's article.

Though, I wonder... What do you think he wore to the interview.... the white sheet or the swastikas?
 
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2001-12-19 08:56:52 AM
Drudgereport is reporting that Bob Dornan & Pat Buchanan are cool, and that Bill Clinton sucks.
 
2001-12-19 09:13:37 AM
Any friend of Fb's is a friend of mine,

;)
 
2001-12-19 10:33:02 AM
Agggh! I posted that, it was going to be my 50th post, I was going to retire...
 
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2001-12-19 11:45:22 AM
link was farked. didn't need to read it. heil buchanan.
 
2001-12-19 12:24:40 PM
Don't fret, all you Buchanan-haters, Pat will never be President -- not while the Republicans have such gems to put before the electorate as Bob Dole and George II Bush.
 
2001-12-19 12:39:11 PM
Did anyone even read the article??

Although I have no love for Buchanan, this is one of the most lucid and straightforward analyses of American foreign policy I've read in quite some time. There's very little bluster and a hell of a lot of good points. If you have any interest in the current world, I highly recommend actually reading the damn interview instead of just assuming you know exactly what he'll say. Buchanan may be a bastard but he's been in the game a long time and knows what he's talking about.

I find it quite amuding that the FBI checked up on him for subscribing to Pravda in the 60's/70's...
 
2001-12-19 12:50:24 PM
Oh boy, if this is what Russians think an American populist is like.. no wonder the rest of the world hates us
 
2001-12-19 12:56:05 PM
I read the article. And a long one it is at that...especially when I'm supposed to be working.
It was an actually very lucid article.
I still don't agree with him on most things. Then again, I'm an internationalist that puts my humanity before my tribal insticts, so Pat and I are probably not going to agree on a lot.
What the hell was that whole rant on the end of white people? He seems to think that on this already overpopulated planet that whities need to start breeding like rabits to keep up with the "brown" ones. I also like how he automatically equates the "brown" ones with Third World status. He seems to assume that if the US becomes over 50% brown, we will automatically become a Third World nation. You know, if we provide a good education to the "brown" Americans, they can be just as large of contributors to society as the "whities". It's called education. He seems to assume that they are genetically inferior and even living in a first world country will just drag it down. As I mentioned before, he seems to think we need an intensive breeding program for white people in first world nations. That is totally the opposite of what the world needs. The world needs LESS people breeding, not more. We need to fund education to show people in the developing world how to get ahead by having fewer children, not mate like rabbits to some Maltusian end game of which race can have the most babies.
 
2001-12-19 01:01:58 PM
Yea, it was a good article. His opinions are slanted at times, but so is the 10 O'Clock news. When you put the two together, you get closer to the truth.
 
2001-12-19 01:16:25 PM
An American Populist? HAW HAW HAW!

Pat changes his tune every four years when he's ready to begin his next fundraising drive presidential campaign.

First he was a hardcore Republican. Then he was running with the socialist Fulani. Now he's some kind of Populist/America Firster.

The only constants in Pat's career are losing and anti-Semitism.
 
2001-12-19 01:25:48 PM
World Citizen: Agreed, the section on world population is pretty bizarre. Maybe Pat will be a Mormon in his next incarnation.
 
2001-12-19 01:52:33 PM
Wow, this article must have been too long for most Farkers to have the time/interest to read. This thing is just loaded with things to get into big political arguments about. Or maybe everyone just forgot about the rest of the world outside the War on Terrorism...
 
2001-12-19 02:04:40 PM
Sonny, I agree. It's a great article for understanding why Russians see things the way they do. Like him or not, Buchanan knows quite a bit about what's going on in the world, and much can be learned by reading that article. Of course, it's much easier to make Nazi and KKK jokes, because then you don't have to read anything.
 
2001-12-19 02:33:04 PM
"Of course, it's much easier to make Nazi and KKK jokes, because then you don't have to read anything."

I said it was lucid. I don't argue that he knows a lot about current events. I also don't understand how you can explain that whole rant about race without thinking he believes in the superiority of the white race. I read it and I've never heard anything quite like it. It is quite openly a call for white people to breed more so that they won't be overcome by the Third World brown masses.
 
2001-12-19 02:59:46 PM
Whether you agree with him or not, Buchanan is always a good read. And you heard the man, start having sex and knock out some babies to preserve your European heritage.
 
2001-12-19 03:07:50 PM
AuburnTom: Have you paid attention to what PB actually has said in the past? What he mentions in this article (which I did reach BTW) is trivial. His vision of the United States is a fairly oppressive regime with limited civil liberties and a weakened Bill of Rights. Thank God he never got to serve in any real position of power.

Ironic thing is that he wants to limit the freedoms that allow a pompous windbag like himself to remain in the public spotlight.

Big deal, he made some insightfull comments in some random interview.. I am sure if you read carefully, you could probably pick out some insigntfull comments in Mien Kemf, but that doesn't mean the overall message is valid.
 
2001-12-19 03:08:08 PM
AuburnTom: Have you paid attention to what PB actually has said in the past? What he mentions in this article (which I did reach BTW) is trivial. His vision of the United States is a fairly oppressive regime with limited civil liberties and a weakened Bill of Rights. Thank God he never got to serve in any real position of power.

Ironic thing is that he wants to limit the freedoms that allow a pompous windbag like himself to remain in the public spotlight.

Big deal, he made some insightfull comments in some random interview.. I am sure if you read carefully, you could probably pick out some insightfull comments in Mien Kemf, but that doesn't mean the overall message is valid.
 
2001-12-19 05:08:09 PM
Yup, if he's against big government, in favor of tarifs, checks on immigration and wants to keep the US out of foreign wars, he must be in favor of a "weakened Bill of Rights" and a "fairly oppressive regime with limited civil liberties."

He never mentions "whites" or "browns" in the article either. Nice to see that he at least creates a stir with people though... God forbid we all become too self righteous to think anymore!
 
2001-12-19 05:14:49 PM
"He never mentions 'whites' or 'browns' in the article either"

Not directly, no. He's not that stupid, but if you tell me that it was not implied, I'll laugh in your face. He came right out and said that if the US dips below 50% European stock it will become a Third World country. It sounds pretty clear to me that he's saying that Euro-Americans are the only ones that can keep the US a First World country. He also pretty plainly said that whites (Westerners of European descent) must start having more babies.
 
2001-12-19 05:16:06 PM
Pat's words: "By 2050, a majority of Americans will trace their ancestry to Asia, Africa and Latin America, not Europe. America will be, predominantly, a Third World country."
 
2001-12-19 05:20:04 PM
More Pat: "American culture is being poisoned and polluted. In Europe, the churches -- Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox --are emptying out, while the mosques are filling up."
 
2001-12-19 06:32:39 PM
Cleighton: I think PB is very knowledgable about world events and has some good points. That doesn't mean I agree with him on the race issues. Besides, my kids aren't white, so he would probably be mad at me for diluting the gene pool. Comparing him to Hitler, however, is simply not valid.
 
2001-12-19 06:35:26 PM
I'd prefer it if the churches synagogs mosques temples etc were ALL abandoned and turned into libraries (which would definatly be ), Churces are the propogators of the tribalism which Buchannon preaches. If we didn't have these tribalistic leanings, if we were all like the merchant to whom the land we stand on is just a place to live, work, and die, there would be no reason to fear influxes of immigrants. If the americans who moved into Texas hadn't been racists, immersed from birth into the doctrine of manifest destiny, Texas would just be a state of Mexico, with the same prosperity they enjoy today (If you think losing half their land wasn't a destablizing agent in Mexico, then imagine what would happen to the US if we lost everything west of the Mississippi to, say, Canada). The same goes to Eastern Russia: If the people living there focus on cooperation rather than inter-racial competition, they will be prosperous no matter what government they are swearing allegeance to. But he's got a point about China: They've got a chip on their shoulder, and so we have to take that into account when dealing with them. We don't want to go through two disasterous world wars with them like we had to go through with Germany.

I really think education is the answer, the main weapon we have against national selfishness. In general people will attempt to prosper via the easiest method. Those that have a college education in America find it much easier to get a job than to rob convienience stores and live in perpetual hiding from the cops. The same idea should be applied to international dealings. The only way to avoid war is to give belligerant nations a way to prosper without going to war, and the only way I can think of to ensure competativeness in a capitalist world is to help educate their citizenry in the ways of science, engineering, and money, and to foster economic opportunities there. It certainly beats having to kill millions of citizens, ours and theirs, in war every few years. (The same goes for Americans, too: making sure that education opportunities are always available to anyone to allow them to improve their lives is a vital necessity in combating historical inequalities between races).

I forget where I was going with this. Oh well.
 
2001-12-19 06:38:38 PM
"The only way to avoid war is to give belligerant nations a way to prosper without going to war"

I should say, give them a way to prosper other than at the expense of those who are already prosperous. Appeasement always leads to disaster.
 
2001-12-19 06:59:26 PM
Actually, a very good article. Interesting. My favorite idea gleened from the Pravda interview:

"Demographics dictates destiny"

I like the ring of that. A truism worth remembering.
 
2001-12-20 03:01:16 AM
Populist ... is that what they're calling them these days.
 
2001-12-20 08:19:26 AM
"Demographics dictates destiny"

Well, if you consider that 3 our of 4 of the worlds most populous nations are also developing nations, I don't know if that holds much water.

1. China 1,300,000,000
2. India 1,000,000,000
3. United States 280,000,000
4. Indonesia 240,000,000
 
2001-12-20 02:30:49 PM
the purpose of becoming a great power is to be able to fight a great war, but the only way to stay a great power is not to fight a great war.


I wonder how he feels then about this grandiose "War on Terror".

 
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