And this guy's plants are farking up the high THC plants? Destroy him!

OBB is a tool. If the Feds raided every house who had some idiot claiming they were commiting a crime 90% of net users would be arrested.

They will, however, reserve the right to launch an investigation. Remember what happened to NeXar?

Nope. Do tell.

honestly i just want all of it to be legal so i can get ridiculously stoned in the middle of the street. seriously, i just want to get high, im not going to lie about it.

but to be accurate: hemp has no significant amount of thc (if any) and it really is supposed to be far better than say, paper and cotton. it isnt illegal anyway, it just isnt legally grown here... there ARE hemp stores you know (check your local "mall").

He was a farker who posted comments which the Feds did not agree with. He was investigated. His story made the main page. This was quite a while ago so most farkers don't remember it.

"It is ridiculous that this would even be considered a controversial topic. If Hemp was grown in the US, we could end deforestation, and allow hundreds of thousands of farmers to prosper. One acre of Hemp produces 4 times as much paper as an acre of trees, and grows back quickly. It is the strongest natural fibre. Our founding fathers said it was the most important crop in the US. The Betsy Ross flag was made from Hemp.
Fuel made from it burns super clean, and would end our reliance on the middle East for oil.
I could go on and on, but it would be pointless. The timber and oil industries have a stranglehold on our Government, and it would take a revolution to change things." - SuburbanCowboy


...... BRAVO!!! Well said, old bean...

Tinian: 'I love the tinfoil hatters that drag out the old "hemp was banned because of nylon" claptrap... Proof positive that pot makes you stupid.'

Notice I said coincidentally in my post (about as coincidental as Halliburton?). Tinfoil hat or not, it is well documented that Nylon was introduced at the same time that hemp was outlawed. Draw your own conclusion.

The next step is being allowed to bring your bong on an airplane, avoiding those pesky drives across the continent just so you could have your favorite bowl.

hemp fueled cars will save the world!

Nazzerov: Thats pretty spooky. What was it that he said?

It's all William Randolph Hurst's fault.

Nazzerov - Exactly! If the Secret Service will investigate threats made on this board against members of the Bush Administration, there's nothing saying that they might not pass along info to their DEA buddies. Small scale grow ops doesn't make things less illegal in the eyes of the law.

2004-03-06 12:53:55 PM my_morning_jacket


honestly i just want all of it to be legal so i can get ridiculously stoned in the middle of the street. seriously, i just want to get high, im not going to lie about it.

Dont know where you live, but that will never happen in USA, we have drunk in public laws for a reason. Theill change the law to apply to stoners too imediately.

You know, openly admitting the fact that you are growing drugs on an easily accessible Internet forum that IS monitored by the Feds is probably not the best of ideas.

ah the taste of freedom...

Drugs are bad. Drugs are very bad. Very very bad. VERY bad, really. No one should ever do drugs, cos they're bad. People who do drugs are bad. People who say that drugs aren't bad are bad. Bad, bad, bad. Very bad.

But there's nothing wrong with nicotine, caffiene or alcohol, because our government likes those things. They're not drugs, so they're not bad.

Yes, freedom doesn't mean saying you are doing illegal things and expect the authorities to look the other way. Jackass. If I was posting everywhere on the net that I was a serial killer and the cops showed up one day to ask me about the killings I really shouldn't be surprised or feel like my freedoms have been trampled.

Fark a Duckk

If hemp can really be used for all these things, why isn't there a country that has done it? I'm not saying this to disprove what the article said, but it is a valid question. America does lead the world in which products we use for what, but not to this extent. Many governments do not have any problems with even recreational pot smoking, so the authoritarian arguments don't work. Why don't they have cars that run on this super fuel, paper all made out of hemp, etc? Particularly the cars, why isn't there a country that has cars that run on refined industrial hemp parts?

I'm with grxymkjbn. we should outlaw nicotine, caffine and alcohal.

Fark a Duckk

[If hemp and pot are such different things, how come the threads are always flooded with stoners?]

For a couple of reasons:

First, pot seriously impairs reasoning. The great Du Pont conspiracy theory and bizzare beliefs such as burlap is hemp are good examples of this. So are rabid Dean supporters.

Second, potheads have a very, very strong "emotional attachment" (read: psychological addiction) to the stuff. They are miserable without it. It's why they pay so much for the stuff and are so unhappy when it's "dry".

And so the reason-impaired stoners are drawn like a moth to a flame to anything that can possibly be construed as an argument for marijuana. Even when it involves a plant that doesn't get you high (industrial hemp) or a totally different plant (jute).

Hope that helps.

Tinian

More like,

-Pot smokers aren't afraid of the large stigma attached to cannabis of any forms because they realize what bullshiat the government's disseminated propaganda on both are

-Hemp was not outlawed because of Du Pont and I don't know of anyone that corroborates this theory besides you in your ramblings

-Hemp was outlawed along with marijuana because of its many other industrial uses, most of which threatened the paper and logging industries of which Hearst was a large benefactor

-Your insistence on perpetuating these erroneous theories shows you to be the reason-impaired one

Hope that helps

Hope that helps.

Only thing that helped was help start a flame war. Yay!

She's bloody dying and all you bring us is hemp. All we've eaten mate for the last four bleeding weeks is hemp soup, roast hemp, steamed hemp, braised hemp in hemp sauce, hemp in the basket with sauted hemp, hemp meringue pie, hemp sorbet... we sit on hemp, we sleep in hemp, we feed the cat on hemp, we burn hemp, we even wear the bloody stuff!

that is just one more reason i agree with the legalize pot crowd.well that and the cops would stop putting people in jail for a plant that grows wild on every continant but the poles and you could grow it there with a green house.im glad he specified that the "mop crop" is hemp and not smoking herb because hemp is the coolest fabric.the hemp cloth stuff i've owned lasted like 9 times as long as cotton.which is all the reason to switch our laws to a more intelligent mind set.
LEGALIZE IT!please.

I love the tinfoil hatters that drag out the old "hemp was banned because of nylon" claptrap.

Oh, they've got lots more besides that one, they can't remember which one they're touting from day to day.

It's you stupid hippies who smoke pot extoling the virtues of hemp that really cloud the issue.

Excellent! Why is it if hemp has nothing to do marijuana, why is it that it's always stoners promoting it? If hemp is legalized, do they think the cops will be too stupid to know the difference or will they claim the govt. then has no legal basis to ban pot? The funniest quirk about them is that so many of them want to ban tobacco (nasty, eeeeevil corporations, I guess).

Umm your wrong.

/Not reading the flames, but contributing anyway.

Tinian-

You're painting with a pretty broad brush here. Not that I don't agree with you in some instances, but to assert that recreational use of cannabis renders one incapable of drawing a distinction between it and industrial hemp is baseless. These people are stoned, not retarded. Most "potheads" don't give a rip about hemp because they are farking kids. Yet another "half-baked" theory from Tinian.

"always stoners promoting it"

Silly, baseless assertion.

Train_of_Thought

-Hemp was not outlawed because of Du Pont and I don't know of anyone that corroborates this theory besides you in your ramblings

Go here:

2004-03-06 12:38:10 PM TypoFlyspray
2004-03-06 12:40:27 PM darthx86

InternetSecurityGuard - Next time use Lupins. I heard they smell nice. ;)

William Randolph Hearst


William Randolf Hearst hated minorities, and he used his chain of newspapers to aggravate racial tensions at every opportunity. Hearst especially hated Mexicans. Hearst papers portrayed Mexicans as lazy, degenerate, and violent, and as marijuana smokers and job stealers. The real motive behind this prejudice may well have been that Hearst had lost 800,000 acres of prime timberland to the rebel Pancho Villa, suggesting that Hearst's racism was fueled by Mexican threat to his empire.

Source:

HALL OF CONSPIRACY THE MEN WHO CONSPIRED TO MAKE HEMP ILLEGAL
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~sg85nc8p/pubenem.html, 18-Jan-2002

Tinian
Maybe people like you can't do drugs and still function in society. Sure, weed probably takes...maybe 5-10 points off of your IQ (while you are smoking consistently, but it always comes back).
That being said, there are people who can't afford to lose the precious IQ points that they actually have, buit there are actually people who can smoke weed and *gasp* still maintain functioning ability. Shocking!

Care to play me in a game of chess to prove my point? I'll light up a huge joint at the start and still toast you.

culebra

Silly, baseless assertion.

You haven't read much of this thread, have you?

It's so slow today that even this "heavy element" flame-war topic won't even reach critical mass. Or begin fission or fusion. On a weekday the flames woud have been flying long ago and the ad hom attacks would be rampant.

To clarify on both of these counts: agricultural concerns in places like the Dakotas, Montana and Nebraska have been pushing for the right to cultivate industrial cannabis for years now, with some success I might add. The Lakota people, and specifically the White Plume clan, have been planting industrial cannabis every spring for several years,too (though the Feds later rip it up). None of these people are stoners, and it stands to reason that most of the people that support it a)are not stoners and b)don't frequent Fark, bastion of diversity that it is. You guys are just narrowminded, which is fine if you can admit it. What you've decided to do is act like the opposition is stupid without bothering to prove the accusation. You guys are poor debaters that can't even be bothered to learn how to do it right. Good luck with that head in the sand thing.

HIV

Try reading that again; it was a joke.



(and I thought stoners had a sense of humor... or do they just laugh at everything?)

/Mmmkay

"You haven't read much of this thread, have you?"
Every word. The conspiracy theories are just as disconcerting, trust me. I do like to call a spade a spade though.

racehack this thread is about hemp not drugs

"I love the tinfoil hatters that drag out the old "hemp was banned because of nylon" claptrap."

And I love the people who are the first to stand up for corporations that screw them on a daily basis. Yeah, pal, why would any huge corporation care if their products could be manufactured cheaper by other people, with better results and quality? I bet they wouldn't do ANYTHING about it. Especially not go to their friends in Congress to ban the plant that could run them out of business, right? Or use outright falsehoods to scare the public? No corporations LIE or FABRICATE information for MONEY, right? I mean, that would make them GREEDY, and we know corporations don't care about money.

It's all documented. Henry Anslinger's testimony in front of Congress shows him using scare tactics and outright falsehoods to encourage the ban of pot AND hemp. He used racial hatred as a way to demonize marijuana. He said that blacks and hispanics used jazz music that was inspired by marijuana to steal white women from their white men. He said that marijuana led to violent outbreaks in people, or made them hallucinate, two things that any D.A.R.E. graduate knows isn't true. The anti-marijuana/hemp people used racism and lies to ban pot, and THAT is documented fact. I'm sorry it doesn't jive with what your wonderful, trustworthy government/corporation told you about marijuana, but you'd have to be cripplingly stupid to believe them in the first place.

So don't come in here and tell us we're just dumb for repeating something that's been part of the PUBLIC RECORD for seventy years.

So to finish proffering you your respective posteriors, the reason that it is always stoners defending industrial hemp is because: "it isn't". I doubt you'll care to respond, and you have probably all eased on down your ignorant road into a sunset of Neanderthal reactionary though process. Learn to debate. You might last awhile.

I have been saying this for years. Drug laws help drug dealers. Did we not learn anything from prohibition?

iceagecoming: well said.

Holy crap, drop the conspiracy shiat. If we debate, it should be whether or not we should legalize it, not why it was made illegal. RTFA, it said nothing about a conspiracy. Thats just someone steering the thread off course. Now everyone calm down and remember what you're really arguing about.

Thanks, Exocet.

I'd like to add that my grandfather (a farmer), who never smoked a bit of marijuana in his eighty-some-odd years is a die-hard supporter of industrial hemp.

So take your "it's all dumb stoners defending industrial pot" bullshiat and cram it up your ass.

To paraphrase Menken, Barnum, or whoever: No one ever lost money/election underestimating the taste/judgment of the American public.

Along the bottoms of the Big Muddy, The U.S. subsidized the cultivation of hemp during WWII. The stuff still grows in the draws that cut into the bluffs. The plants are big enough to climb, but that's the only means by which one can get high on them.

In 1988, Bush Sr. and Ashcroft dropped in on Franklin Island Wildlife Area along the river. Many acres were grown up in the rope strength, bird seed factory. The DEA, local le flic and the politicos had their pictures taken in front of the resulting conflagration (burnt tons on pile of old tires). No dope destroyed, good PR, and lot's of hungry birds - go figure.

SuburbanCowboy:

[...] end deforestation [...]

Sorry hippie, but in case you haven't noticed wood comes from trees. People like wood for it's many woody properties.

Not to you anymore, but it's weird that hippies don't like logging because it kills trees, but are also agaist plastic which doesn't (it does a lot of other things, but the trees would still be there).

First thing I thought of when I saw the pic...

the green grinner you are clueless if you think this isn't about drugs

Fellow Farkers, listen up!

It is not about drugs, and never has been; if that were so, we would have had the problem solved by now.

The question is power, and social control of the people; we have known for many years now that permanent peace is inevitable, and if so it would be bad for government: tthe people must be presented with an enemy sufficiently terrible to keep them in constant fear, so that they will willingly sacrifice both their money and their liberty in order to feel physically safe.

Take that away and the whole reason for government evaporates; you don't think all those parasites would actually go out and WORK, do you?

Go to google and key in REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN; read it and judge for yourself whether it is fake or not, as many people claim.