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(Reuters)   Virus writers use internet worms for war of words. "Bagle - you are a looser..."   (reuters.com) divider line 154
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2004-03-04 10:08:11 AM

Was fur ein "Looser"
GIS for looser
 
2004-03-04 10:10:44 AM
Pocket Ninja

That's a dumb argument. The car argument for example:

What if you were a mechanic and there were no limit on the age or skill of the people driving, the potholes on the roads were so big they could swallow the whole car and random, anonymous groups were digging new ones all the time with different covers to trick you into driving into them. What if it was your job to fix all those cars and even though you told all those "drivers" everyday to steer clear of those holes (hidden or not) they still drove into them all the time and even blamed you sometime for not making their car hole-proof. Would that not get super-frustrating fast? Would you not ask them to please not drive if they couldn't steer clear or at least take a course to learn what a big dangerous "hole" looks like?

Your argument is dumb.
 
2004-03-04 10:15:15 AM
no virii for Copeland OS yet...


Hello navi.
 
2004-03-04 10:15:36 AM
I think the situation that frustrates many Support Techs today is the fact that a large percentage of customers do not act as normal customers on the phone.

Support conversations will be frequently jump from "Hello, ABC Support, How can I help you?" directly into "Why the hell did you break my computer?" or "Your servers are infected and their infecting all your customers" and so on.

Customers who call in for assistance do not oftentimes act like someone who's in need of assistance. They act like someone who wants a flip switch fix and to give one hell of a chewing in the mean time.

People, lets not forget something here. It's not the people with virus protected machines that are spreading these menaces, it's those who aren't. Ignorance of a technology is not an excuse for ranting and raving about an issue that you help perpetuate.

I'm sorry but the analogy given earlier seems biased and overlooking. If you don't know how to fix your cars transmission you don't go to the mechanic and yell and scream. You ask for help. If you don't understand the law you don't scream at the police. You'll get no desirable results. Therefore, if you don't understand a technology, how about you ask for help rather.

These are people on the phone. They are trying to make a living. They do not appreciate verbal abuse. You could not perform well at work if someone was screaming to you about an issue before even explaining the problem. If you have a problem with Support then most likely you'll get better results if you act like a human being and not act like a frustrated 3rd grader who doesn't understand why things "Just don't automatically work the way you think they should!"

Two sides to the story here people. How about you stop with the stereotypes and do something creative. Or would you like to act like a kid and continue with the name calling?
 
2004-03-04 10:16:30 AM
smoother101 : It is called "job security". I have about 1200 users on about 800 workstations, it would be negligent of me not to expect at least a few of them to open these attachments, especially the way the latest Beagle pulls text that is related to the organization..... And as I pointed out, e-mail is not the only way these spread.

/all analogies suck
 
2004-03-04 10:18:38 AM
ItamaeChef: If they are rude like that, hang up on them. Or don't you have the balls?
 
2004-03-04 10:27:16 AM
"maffick'
You see... that's a funny statement considering the fact that I don't do Phone Support. But, I can see that people with child-like attitudes such as yours deserve all the viruses and name calling you get.

How about you grow up and try to bring some respect to a job that companies outsource due to asshat's like you!
 
2004-03-04 10:27:26 AM
maffick

Yeah, sorry, analogies do suck. That car analogy was especially crap because viruses, as you said, spread in so many different ways then just email.

I was being somewhat facetious because his argument was so off-base as ItameaChef pointed out quite a bit better than I did.

What you say is job security I view as a total waste of my life. I would rather be building efficient systems and solving legitimate problems than cleaning up messes caused by viruses.
 
2004-03-04 10:28:43 AM
Web host I used to use gave me a wildcard address for email, in addition to the 10 fixed addresses. Basically, anything at all that came to to my domain (that was not 1 of the 10) would get sent to my wildcard address.
So I could get email at @mydomain.com

So anytime I used an email on a form, I would customize it. For example, I used jo­n­st­ewa­r­t­[nospam-﹫-backwards]n­iamo­dym­*com to get my newsletter. Within a day, I started getting SPAM from all over the place sent to that address.

There were plenty others, but Comedy Central was the worst - do not EVER give your email to them
 
2004-03-04 10:29:54 AM
smoother101 : well I agrre with that smother, I have much better stuff to do, but ya know, that is why they call it work... ;)

ItamaeChef: yep, yer a farking pussy....
 
2004-03-04 10:30:14 AM
After seeing that one guy get arrested, it's at least comforting to know that he's a fat slob, dresses like a flood vicitm, lives in his parent's basement (well, now he lives in jail)and certainly couldn't get laid except by the lowliest of chlamydia tracomatis sufferers.

I imagine they are all like that. Bunch of farking Mandarks or Comic Book Store Guys playing with their pathetic, inadequate acorns.
 
2004-03-04 10:30:27 AM
Sorry you don't get it, smoother101. I guess you've never, ever driven into a pothole in your life. You are clearly a superior being.

And yes, analogies do suck. But not as bad as people too dim to get them.

/smirk
 
2004-03-04 10:33:15 AM
To those of you who are personally insulted by non-personal attacks by end-users:

You have to understand that it is not personal. They are merely frusterated. I started out in helpdesk. Hanging up on them or calling them stupid is not appropriate and only brings you down to their level.

The trick is to be a level above them, and assure them that the issue will be resolved and that you understand. Say you don't know anything about law and your lawyer did something that you didn't understand or that didn't apparently help. Chances are YOU would get angry at them too and do the exact same thing. The lawyer, in this case, would be professional and explain the situation to you and try to reassure you.

Why is that so hard? Honestly, I see a lot of I/T people get their fragile egos bruised by these types of incidents. It is not personal, it's business. Don't take it so seriously!

Better yet, work yourself into a higher position. You don't get nearly the amount of nasty calls as you get on helpdesk. If you're working on that, congrats. But still - you are taking things way too personally.
 
2004-03-04 10:34:54 AM
"maffick"
Please continue to show us how smart you are with your ever so witty retort. I know people are just booming with pride to know you personally.
 
2004-03-04 10:35:08 AM
When are we going to create the FARK virus? Sure would be a lot more fun than these beagle and netsky and mydoom ones.
 
2004-03-04 10:37:21 AM
I think I've already contracted the Fark virus. It causes one to waste inordinate amounts of time on an internet news site dedicated to big-nutted squirrels and beer.
 
2004-03-04 10:40:49 AM
Pocket Ninja :

Same here. I seem to have a penchant for the feeling you get when you run into brick walls. Because that is what it feels like here sometimes.

No matter, it's wastes time so that I can be out of here by 5 and drinking beer. That is my light at the end of the tunnel on weekdays.
 
2004-03-04 10:54:32 AM
Obviously I have skipped the above comments when I say wtf is a "looser"?
 
Ant
2004-03-04 11:02:13 AM
2004-03-04 02:46:05 AM Girion47


so why not make permits for computer usage?


Everytime I hear this I cringe. This is a very bad idea. Who decides who's fit to use a computer? The government? Which government? A group of experts? Who decides who the experts are?

You don't even want to go there. It's better to live with the risks.
 
Ant
2004-03-04 11:06:33 AM
2004-03-04 10:35:08 AM swettling


When are we going to create the FARK virus?


The Fark virus is like the Snowcrash virus: It infects your brain and makes you speak gibberish in the offline world.
 
2004-03-04 11:08:01 AM
The most amusing thing about the new Bagle virus is how it sends itself in a passworded zip file, with the password in the rest of the message. So now it's even more of an intelligence test than before. Yesterday I got an e-mail where a guy replied to all (a copy got sent to a mailing list) saying the password didn't work. Question 1: are you stupid enough to open attachments and run them? Question 2: are you too stupid to even enter the password correctly? Question 3: are you stupid enough to admit how stupid you are in a reply-to-all?
 
2004-03-04 11:14:01 AM
b1t r0t

The most amusing thing about the new Bagle virus is how it sends itself in a passworded zip file, with the password in the rest of the message. So now it's even more of an intelligence test than before. Yesterday I got an e-mail where a guy replied to all (a copy got sent to a mailing list) saying the password didn't work. Question 1: are you stupid enough to open attachments and run them? Question 2: are you too stupid to even enter the password correctly? Question 3: are you stupid enough to admit how stupid you are in a reply-to-all?


farking.... I wasn't going to reply to this thread, prefering to sit back and watch the carnage unfold, but that is seriously farked up. poor guy. sounds like one of my best friends. This is the same guy I had to block because he forwarded me every piece of spam he got - I only wish i was joking. nice guy, but yeesh.... I don't accept mail from him, or anything. if he wants to send me something, it goes snail or in person.
 
2004-03-04 11:40:34 AM
Ant:

Beer?
 
2004-03-04 11:43:09 AM
I want a navi....
and 8 monitors.
 
2004-03-04 11:48:41 AM
What's wrong with spammers?
 
2004-03-04 11:49:17 AM
What's wrong with spammers?
 
2004-03-04 11:50:04 AM
What's wrong with spammers?
 
2004-03-04 11:55:47 AM
CheekyMunky, maybe the one you got was the "Irish Virus"...
 
2004-03-04 11:57:03 AM
Do any of you know if using Black Ice will conflict with Norton Anti-virus? Can I use both at the same time with no ill effects?
 
2004-03-04 12:00:18 PM
REPORT: Scanned attachment "Document.zip"
REPORT: Trapped suspicious zipped files:
REPORT: ablljnh.exe
REPORT: Not a document, or already poisoned by filename. Not scanned for macros.
STATUS: Message quarantined in /var/spool/mail/quarantine, not delivered to recipient.
NOTICE: Envelope sender domain terraworld.net not supported by Received: path. Suppressing sender notification.

Hooray for the Email sanitizer. I admin our company's email server and get a report everytime our server blocks one of these. Which is a lot.

Even though we have AV software on the workstations. They are usually a step behind on the worms.
 
2004-03-04 12:02:20 PM
Killroy69
I am quite aware of that. I know we are a far way before having safe surfing. I'm just saying on who the responsibility *should* be. The company that you pay for your access and that has all those experts that went to SCHOOL for that knowledge, or the unqualified commoner that just want to benefit from a paid service ?

An ISP's job is to provide you with the internet and a email address. Its not our job to protect you from yourself. An INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER is just that. We provide you with the means to access the internet. We try very hard to do everything we can do to protect the users from spam and potential viruses. What do you expect ISP's to do block all attachments. Which can be done. You have no idea the volume of calls that techs get about viruses. More so than others like these that change so fast. Did you read the article? 5 variants since Friday. That's unheard of. 5 variants that all are different and require different detection methods. Just my two cents. Its very frustrating. Not to mention if you want to help stop spam do not give out your email address to any and every website that asks for it.
 
mtt
2004-03-04 12:02:30 PM
mruttan - It's ok Girion47, I already took a look through your machine and you don't have anything I want. Thanks anyway.

*golf clap*
 
2004-03-04 12:04:29 PM
Report:
No viruses found

Hooray for Macs.
 
2004-03-04 12:06:01 PM
Where's Tsutomu when you need him?



Oh yeah, he's eating in a nice resturaunt.
 
2004-03-04 12:07:54 PM
ItamaeChef
I think the situation that frustrates many Support Techs today is the fact that a large percentage of customers do not act as normal customers on the phone.

Support conversations will be frequently jump from "Hello, ABC Support, How can I help you?" directly into "Why the hell did you break my computer?" or "Your servers are infected and their infecting all your customers" and so on.

Customers who call in for assistance do not oftentimes act like someone who's in need of assistance. They act like someone who wants a flip switch fix and to give one hell of a chewing in the mean time.

People, lets not forget something here. It's not the people with virus protected machines that are spreading these menaces, it's those who aren't. Ignorance of a technology is not an excuse for ranting and raving about an issue that you help perpetuate.

I'm sorry but the analogy given earlier seems biased and overlooking. If you don't know how to fix your cars transmission you don't go to the mechanic and yell and scream. You ask for help. If you don't understand the law you don't scream at the police. You'll get no desirable results. Therefore, if you don't understand a technology, how about you ask for help rather.

These are people on the phone. They are trying to make a living. They do not appreciate verbal abuse. You could not perform well at work if someone was screaming to you about an issue before even explaining the problem. If you have a problem with Support then most likely you'll get better results if you act like a human being and not act like a frustrated 3rd grader who doesn't understand why things "Just don't automatically work the way you think they should!"

Two sides to the story here people. How about you stop with the stereotypes and do something creative. Or would you like to act like a kid and continue with the name calling?


SO TRUE SO TRUE!!! Quick fix my computer its broken. Well have you changed anything sice I helped you yesterday. No no no of course not. Why would I. Well lets go into your settings and take a look. WHY THE fark CAN'T YOU JUST FIX IT!!!!???? OK sir I am going to need you to click on My Computer. THAT'S THE farkING PROBLEM I CAN'T GET TO YOUR GODDAMN COMPUTER!!!

So very typical.
 
2004-03-04 12:40:35 PM
Does anyone get these weird HTML attachments from one name senders like: elena,kare,kira. With a weird file.htm? I just started getting these 2 weeks ago. Subjects are lame "are you interested in this, this will make your day".

Grr
 
2004-03-04 12:45:06 PM
I spend too much time on teh intardweb...I actually call people "loosers" now.
 
2004-03-04 12:48:00 PM
2004-03-04 11:57:03 AM
BobC


Do any of you know if using Black Ice will conflict with Norton Anti-virus? Can I use both at the same time with no ill effects?


Go with a hardware based firewall, no more than 100 at best buy. I use a software setup, but I have to tweak it more than I would like, and am about to switch on over.

Now, as for the OS Holy war, I am a windows admin, I do everything from setup to removal. I also do the printers and whatnot. I run a mac in my office. I like the built in email better, and It gives me few problems. I also have a 23 inch HD monitor, it rocks. The cost of a mac is not that much greater, if you pay for windows software. Plus is purty, and can do what a PC does. To be fair, if windows did not break as much, I would have to get a real job.
 
2004-03-04 12:50:10 PM
I'm getting emails from people I don't know (@yahoo.com and @aol.com) with '(none)' as the subject header.

of course, if i don't know the person, I delete by default...

except to ADL's email. which nobody has used yet. ;)
 
2004-03-04 12:55:41 PM
I have been getting some of these...
Staff at my website dot com. There is no staff at my site. I'm the staff!
Then I was getting emails from my "Team" at my website... Now wait a second - I know I'm an Army of one, but I'm not a Team of one.

Real simple rule about attachments... NEVER FREAKING OPEN THEM unless you KNOW who sent it, and was EXPECTING that spedific attachment.
 
2004-03-04 01:07:04 PM
Thanks Nomales! I got a Trojan Horse virus last week without opening any attachments and my computer started swapping letters around on the start-up screen (in other words all the F's turned into C's and so on) which was scary. These hackers are getting really good at what they do!
 
2004-03-04 01:12:00 PM
BobC

Well, its sad to say they are not getting better, its getting easy to do this now. Most high speed internet users have nothing to protect the system. There are more targets as every day go by. Its a numbers game. Good luck with that fire wall, its suicide not to run one.
 
2004-03-04 01:17:42 PM
Thanks! Can I open the e-mails with attachments that read "Virus alert?" That was a joke! Hey can you recommend a way to beat spam? I've noticed spammers are mispelling words in the body of the e-mail (not just the title anymore) to beat the spam blockers. Some are practically illegible, the frikkin idiots. God I hate hackers
 
2004-03-04 01:43:00 PM
I am very sick of Mac people. You don't have viruses because no one cares about you. It is not fun to infect 4 computers but it is apparently fun to infect 4 million.
 
2004-03-04 01:50:08 PM
Mad Ogre
Real simple rule about attachments... NEVER FREAKING OPEN THEM unless you KNOW who sent it, and was EXPECTING that spedific attachment.

But what if it promises naked pictures on Anna Kournikova? Good God man, we're only human.
 
2004-03-04 02:23:20 PM
broomballwilson

And that's they way we like it.

It's like satellite radio vs. FM radio. Only a small fraction of radio listeners listen to satellite radio. But it's a helluva lot better than the commercial radio.
 
2004-03-04 02:53:05 PM
I am very sick of Mac people. You don't have viruses because no one cares about you. It is not fun to infect 4 computers but it is apparently fun to infect 4 million.

I am very sick of PC people who have no math skills or live in a cave. There at least 50 million worldwide Mac users, each owning at least one or more Macs.. Virginia Tech counts as one user, for example, and their SuperComputer cluster contains 1,100 Macintosh dual G5s (the #3 fastest supercomputer in the world).

So apparently your cave is too dark for you to see the real world, but is big enough to let viruses infect you.

Oh, and my two-foot dong says hello.
 
2004-03-04 03:56:39 PM
quote:
The latest version of Netsky, dubbed Netsky.F, has a message in the code that says "Bagle - you are a looser!!!! (sic)" and an earlier version says: "MyDoom.F is a thief of our idea!"

correction:
The latest version of Netsky, dubbed Netsky.F, has a message in the code that says "Bagle - you are a looser!!!! [sic]" and an earlier version says: "MyDoom.F is a thief of our idea!"

seems the hacker isn't the only moron in the story.
 
2004-03-04 04:03:09 PM
broomballwilson

Far less than 1 Million of the Windows PCs get infected by these virus "outbreaks". This article reports that only 500,000 PCs were infected by the Blaster worm (according to US Gov and Symantec), resulting in Millions of Dollars of damage (according to Microsoft) (actually, that number may be Microsoft's direct costs).

There are approximately 10 Million Macs out there running OS X and most of them have no virus protection, a seemingly large, easy target for the virus writers, and considering the notoriety to be gained, why do ZERO VIRUSES affect Mac OS X? It's due in large part to Mac OS X being designed with security in mind, unlike Windows. It's far less work to spread viruses to a few thousand Windows PCs, because it's one of Microsoft's bestest built-in features! A rogue program can't just do whatever-the-hell-it-wants on a Mac, but it sure can in Windows!

Even if a virus is written for Mac OS X, the difficulty of getting it to spread and/or conning users to enter their password will probably cause the writer to abandon the idea rather than be embarrassed by a low infection rate.

/Stop contributing to the spread of PC viruses: tell the attachment-opening idiot users to get a Mac.
//People should have to pass a security test before being allowed access to an internet-enabled Windows machine.
 
2004-03-04 04:16:20 PM
The thing is, is there's no reason for anyone to get a virus. Anyone idiotic enough to download an infected file attachment doesn't deserve to own a computer. I've had a computer in front of me since 1985, and I've not once had a virus.

Meh. If you were so smart and knowledgeable, you'd know that viruses are not just transmitted by emails, but also through networks. So if your dumb co-worker opened an unsafe attachment, you can get infected as well, even if you didn't do anything wrong.
So I've gotten viruses before myself. Never through my own fault.
 
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