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(Some Guy)   Cleveland Browns get screwed over by dumb ref. Beer bottle throwing ensues. Refs need police escort to leave stadium   (nfl.com) divider line 166
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2001-12-16 07:18:27 PM
YEAHHHH!!! GO BROWNS!
 
2001-12-16 07:18:59 PM
"Beer"?
 
2001-12-16 07:21:16 PM
This would have been much funnier if the bottles were glass
 
2001-12-16 07:24:28 PM
..is there any situation in life than can't be made better by being hammered to the gills?
 
2001-12-16 07:24:51 PM
Football hooligans?
 
2001-12-16 07:25:24 PM
"The fans tossed plastic bottles onto the field -- many of them filled with liquid"

No, really? I though they would have been filled with some sort of plasma. Moron.
 
2001-12-16 07:25:30 PM
Beer, morons, and bad calls. A winning combination.
 
2001-12-16 07:27:35 PM
Too bad there wasn't snow on the ground - we would have had another snowball/iceball incident like at Giants Stadium a few years ago.
 
2001-12-16 07:30:17 PM
"The fans tossed plastic bottles onto the field -- many of them filled with liquid"

I agree, VanRoosta...that line gets my "NO SHIAT, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS?" Award
 
2001-12-16 07:31:13 PM
The ironic thing is that the "spike" play was actually intentional grounding, and most likely would have led to a loss anyways. Cleveland should not be allowed to have fans attend home games the remainder of the season...that's flat out embarassing to the league.
 
2001-12-16 07:32:05 PM
The Browns got screwed....big time. Idiot refs.
 
2001-12-16 07:34:39 PM
"The fans tossed plastic bottles onto the field -- many of them filled with liquid"

No, really? I though they would have been filled with some sort of plasma. Moron.


Well, I would have finished my beer before tossing the container. Of course, that's just me.
 
#2 [TotalFark]
2001-12-16 07:36:10 PM
In Cleveland, we're not much for hockey, but we have the BEST football stories!!! Today's trouble, as abhorent as it was, I couldn't stop laughing watching the refs running out of there ( the first time ). Though I do enjoy hearing the network announcers 'shock and dismay' at the events, you know they enjoyed it as much as the Clevelanders, and will talk about it for weeks. We're kinda the American version of European football fans.
 
zkm
2001-12-16 07:38:34 PM
Oh and soccer hooligans don't regularly trample people to death. If this was Europe and would have been a soccer match they would have rioted and burned city blocks to the ground.
 
2001-12-16 07:45:38 PM
browns got screwed my ass. why do we have instant replay if not for plays like this? its just a football game for jebus sake!

no matter how terribly the situation was handled there is no justifying what those fans did. it was just childish. and shame on carmen policy trying to justify the fans actions.
 
2001-12-16 07:46:14 PM
Sam Wyche would have never have let this happen... if anyone actually understands that, they get a cookie
 
2001-12-16 07:46:43 PM
You think that's bad? Check out what happened in Montreal on March 17, 1955 afte the "Rocket" Richard was suspended.. Read it here
 
2001-12-16 07:50:04 PM
 
2001-12-16 07:52:32 PM
McBerry - there are no more home games.

Baconfarker - a play has already occurred, thats still my opinion.
When the refs first started talking, I thought it was b/c the intentional grounding.

The Browns DID get screwed, but they also screwed themselves by having NO OFFENSE the entire game.

I couldnt believe the refs did that though, I couldnt help thinking "why would they take it back, don't they want to get out of here alive?"

Apparently, I gauged the reaction of the fans well. I almost got hit with a few bottles myself.

Anyways, for my first Browns game I had a blast :)
 
2001-12-16 07:58:57 PM
The Browns DID get screwed, but they also screwed themselves by having NO OFFENSE the entire game.

well if thats your definition of getting screwed, then face it, teams get screwed EVERY weekend by blown calls.

the play might "have been run" but ive seen a bunch of times where a play "has been run" but the referees blow it off afterward. just because the players go thru the motions it doesnt mean that the play counts, the ref determines if it was run or not.
 
2001-12-16 08:01:21 PM
PHISHY: Neither would John Mackay...Too bad the Bucs lost today..Send my cookie..Rich
 
#2 [TotalFark]
2001-12-16 08:02:13 PM
Yeah, you can call the fans 'childish', 'hooligans', and 'embarrasing', but what is the point of any sport without passionate fans who really get into a game? The Browns lost all chances of a playoff with this game, and frustration always has an ugly face. I'm not excusing anyone here, but get real, soccer moms are far more potent than the knuckleheads here are. It's not the Browns fans embarrasing the league, it's the NFL putting an official with only 4 years experience in charge of a game critical to a town reeling from economic woes ( playoffs equal money folks!!! ).
 
2001-12-16 08:03:48 PM
Yeah, Phishy, you're referring to the "you don't live in Cleveland; you live in Cincinnati!" PA announcement of Wyche's many moons ago. Got a good laugh from that one.

Different Browns...same ol' hooligan Dawg Pound.
 
2001-12-16 08:03:59 PM
Yeah, really. What am I squawking about. I'm from St.Louis and.......we.......have........the....RAMS BABY!! That's right, I said The Rams. Hoot hoot. Bring it on.
 
2001-12-16 08:04:49 PM
yeah, yeah.
point is, refs sucked.

The end of the game was so long, i cant even remember, but they made another real bad call.. though i cant remember what it was.

Anyways, thanks, baconfarker, for the link to the Beer Night article. I was at the game today with my dad, who was also at Beer Night.

Anyways, im gonna go watch the Simpsons..
 
2001-12-16 08:21:43 PM
Biggest Screw job since Linda Ayers in the 60's!
 
2001-12-16 08:31:02 PM
Cyc66: Great link... kind of puts that whole Marty McSorley thing in perspective, doesn't it?
 
2001-12-16 08:33:35 PM
How many fellow Clevelanders/Clevo area folks on here anyway? I remember seeing a lot in response to last week's Alomar deal...
 
2001-12-16 08:34:21 PM
Luckyily no one was hurt. Those plastic bottles can cause some serious injuries.

Would have been alot more interesting if they would have been throwing coolers, and seats.
 
2001-12-16 08:51:06 PM
such an influx of sports news... i want more robot slug stories!
 
2001-12-16 08:51:22 PM
it couldn't help the Browns that their fans are inbred drunks.
 
2001-12-16 08:56:33 PM
I remeber watching a Chicago White Sox game that Harry Caray was calling. It was "seat cushion night", and late in the game after the Sox made another terrible play, the fans starting throwing the cushions out on the field.

Harry Caray: "Good thing it isn't bat night."
 
2001-12-16 09:01:42 PM
The officiating has been the worst this year I've witnessed in the 26 years that I have followed N.F.L. football.
 
2001-12-16 09:02:41 PM
Will someone explain to me how the Browns got screwed? If I read the article correctly, Couch threw an incomplete pass on 4th and 2, it was incorrectly ruled complete, and then corrected. Seems like the refs did what they should have done.
 
2001-12-16 09:09:50 PM
"Sometimes we need to save our anger and release it at an apropriate time.. like that time daddy threw the whiskey bottle at the referee.. remember that?"

Sealhunter - the "incomplete pass" was ruled a complete pass for first down on the field, then the browns ran a play (couch spiked the ball).. after that play, the refs decided to challenge the play that happened 2 plays ago (which isn't legal). The pass really wasnt complete, i dont think anyone is really disputing that, but NFL rules say that if the refs blow a call, and you run a play before anybody catches it, it cannot be reviewed.

I may not be the most mature person in the world, but there was something funny about watching referees run into the tunnell with their heads down, being pelted with bottles.
 
2001-12-16 09:10:41 PM
The Browns got screwed because after the disputed pass, the Browns ran another play, wherein Tim Couch spiked the ball. The referrees placed the ball, got out of the way so the teams could line up, and did not sound the whistle until after the ball was spiked. Then, contrary to the replay rules, the referrees went back and reviewed and overturned the disputed pass, even though another play had run.
 
2001-12-16 09:10:52 PM
Akron rocks,
Akron rocks,
Akron rocks,
Akron rocks,
Akron rocks!
 
2001-12-16 09:18:27 PM
Freddy gets the cookie :) I've been looking everywhere for either a video clip, a picture, sound byte, anything from that speach Wyche gave but have come up zilch. If anyone can be of any help..... but i'm sure most people have no idea what we're talking about, it's one of those things that lives on in Cincinnati lore (like Chris Sabo).
 
2001-12-16 09:21:25 PM
Ah, I see. So, an analagous situation might be that of a serial killer who, despite overwhelming evidence, is let free by an incompetent judge. Later, the judge, realizing his error, runs the serial killer over with his truck.

IMHO, this was pretty sloppy, and a poor performance by the refs, but I don't think either team got anything except what they deserved. The Jags were screwed as much by the first call as the Browns were by the second.
 
2001-12-16 09:27:17 PM
the refs on the field didnt know that the guys up top wanted to replay the play because there was a malfunction in the equiptment or something. I think its pretty funny that a team other than the jaguars got screwed by the refs. The jaguars have been getting bad calls all year. remember monday night football two weeks ago?
 
2001-12-16 09:34:56 PM
Seal Hunter, its even easier than that... the second play never counted. The ref said he felt the replay buzzer go off before the snap, therefore the second play never counted. end of story.
 
2001-12-16 09:38:28 PM
If I was the players and officials unions, I'd definitely try ang get a boycott going of games in Cleveland.

Sure, the call was blown, but the actions of the white trash Browns fans showed that Cleveland is definitely not a safe place to play.

The Browns should either be moved to another city or play it's home games in an empty stadium.
 
2001-12-16 09:47:19 PM
Ah, I love the NFL that much more now; it's not so removed from soccer anymore.
 
2001-12-16 09:49:29 PM
Pittsburgh-All-The-Way!!!
 
2001-12-16 09:50:51 PM
The Browns should either be moved to another city or play it's home games in an empty stadium.


While it would be a possible solution, I don't think it will happen. I think the threat of forfeiting the game because of the fans would be enough. When the Twins played the Yankees this year, all the fans in left field threw quarters at Knoblauch, simply because they still had a grudge over him leaving quite a few years ago. The Twins nearly had to forfeit.
 
2001-12-16 09:51:25 PM
"Sam Wyche would have never have let this happen... if anyone actually understands that, they get a cookie"

Well, not like anyone from Cincinnati can talk (not saying you are from there). I'll take Cleveland's football riots over Cincinnati's race riots any day of the week.
 
2001-12-16 09:55:47 PM
"If I was the players and officials unions, I'd definitely try ang get a boycott going of games in Cleveland."

If anything, the NFL should demand the pay raise back they gave to the refs. Obviously, they suck as much as ever and don't deserve a raise.

"Sure, the call was blown, but the actions of the white trash Browns fans showed that Cleveland is definitely not a safe place to play."

Great insult. How long did it take you to think of that one?

"The Browns should either be moved to another city or play it's home games in an empty stadium."

Yeah, they're gonna move an entire franchise over this. LOL. Jackass.
 
2001-12-16 10:02:26 PM
Those refs need to be fired immediately. That wasn't a catch; but they shouldn't have overturned it either- it should have been intentional grounding on Couch (BTW- I thought he'd be a lot better pro than this when he was drafted.)
Thank god it didn't happen in Jacksonville; the 'Necks around here would have just started shooting. The way the crowd erupts for "Sweet Home Alambama" at every game is almost as embarrassing as the reaction of the crowd at the game today.
 
2001-12-16 10:08:46 PM
"its even easier than that... the second play never counted. The ref said he felt the replay buzzer go off before the snap, therefore the second play never counted. end of story."

No... the only thing that stops play is an official sounding his whistle. The refs set the ball, the second play occurred, and was concluded before the officials sounded their whistles. The play was complete, and cannot be disregarded.
 
2001-12-16 10:08:58 PM
Bacon Farker/Seal Hunter: I'm not from Cleveland, hate the Browns, and my team lost today. That being said, it would be easy to just laugh at the refs' mistake today.

But what you are saying just isn't right. Ever since the replay rule was instituted, good QB's, realizing that a call was shaky have rushed thier teams up to the line and gotten a play off, insulating the call from review. Manning and Favre are masters of it. Bledsoe might have even gotten away with it once or twice. It's part of the game.

Whether the ref felt the buzzer or not -- who cares? If he didn't blow his whistle, the play was run. No review.

What is more amazing is that, as someone else noted earlier, this has been the worst season call-wise in quite some time; amazing considering that they were on strike for more money at the start of the season.
 
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