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(WSVN)   During discussion about evolution, teacher bets student $20 that student will be injured if he jumps out of second-story window   (wsvn.com) divider line 81
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2004-03-02 08:33:50 PM
Darwinism ensues
 
2004-03-02 08:42:10 PM
I imagine it's a lot simpler than that.

student: I believe in god, not evolution, so I can jump out of the window and god won't let me be hurt.

teacher: whatever, here's $20, go jump out a building.
 
2004-03-02 08:48:41 PM
Does he get a Darwin Award if he gets killed doing that?
 
2004-03-02 09:02:19 PM
The teacher should have known better than to goad an attention whoring student, and that's his only crime. The bet of $20 could not have been sincere unless the Teacher really does have some kind of problem.

I think the point was, injured or not, the kid took a risk that is clearly deserving of a Darwin Award.

Wanna bet $20 that kid won't make it to old age?
 
2004-03-02 09:03:21 PM
hes a for trying to get rid of one more stupid kid
 
2004-03-02 09:07:23 PM
So much for your theory of "evolution," I guess.
 
2004-03-02 09:17:34 PM
so did hilarity ensue or not?

/didn't RTFA
 
2004-03-02 09:25:40 PM
Now that we have established the nimwit is not injured, let's focus on more important things.

Will this incident keep the teacher out of the Hall?
 
2004-03-02 09:26:39 PM
An interesting, if only slightly related tidbit...

I've read that there is a direct correlation found in primates between the promiscuity of the females of the species and the size of the males' testes. Presumably, this would help any given male be more likely to pass on his genetic material, as opposed to his less-endowed competitors. This has resulted in a kind of arms race (balls race?) where certain primates have gradually increased the size of their , sometimes to ridiculous proportions. I forget the name, but there is a certain monkey whose testes are literally the size of billiard balls. I remember seeing a photo in a natural history magazine while I was in 6th grade...impressionable young minds...
 
Ade
2004-03-02 09:30:04 PM
Wait.. who was that guy? That evolution guy?

D... Da..? D-something?
 
2004-03-02 09:34:07 PM
The story would of been 20 times better if he pulled a Greg Louganis and hit his head on the window sill.
 
2004-03-02 09:37:04 PM
In Darwinian terms, "fitness" does not refer to certain creatures being stronger, or better than others. Indeed, fitness is only considered in terms of net reproductive success. For example, let's say you have two male chimps. One is incredibly strong, smart, agile, etc., but has a low sperm count. Meanwhile, chimp #2 is runty and stupid, but has a much higher sperm count. Though chimp #2 is much less "fit" his greater likelihood of producing a prodigious amount of offspring makes him more fit.

Not if chimp #1 is much more capable of getting food than chimp #2 or if chimp#1 kills chimp#2 for trespassing on his territory or trying to score with his biotches. Physical fitness in the animal world usually means reproductive fitness.
 
2004-03-02 09:41:49 PM
crazy_gaijin

not really. though females are more attracted to the physical fit monkey-man, it does not mean that he will be more likely to reproduce, ie genetic fitness
 
2004-03-02 09:46:10 PM
Except that the Bigger chimp will tend to keep a larger harem for a longer period of time, than wimpy chimp. Also, in the wild bigger healthier body usually means bigger healthier ummmm parts.

Of course, this leads to a bimodal situation where some males have high fitness from being big and strong and defending a harem, and others have high fitness from being quick, sneaky and shooting a big load. The big guys' harem females will mate on the sly with the "sneakers" because their male offspring will be sneakers too, and that's a high-fitness trait. There are several species in the wild where this has been demonstrated. Sexual selection is where evolution gets really weird.
 
2004-03-02 09:53:53 PM
I've read that there is a direct correlation found in primates between the promiscuity of the females of the species and the size of the males' testes. Presumably, this would help any given male be more likely to pass on his genetic material, as opposed to his less-endowed competitors. This has resulted in a kind of arms race (balls race?) where certain primates have gradually increased the size of their , sometimes to ridiculous proportions. I forget the name, but there is a certain monkey whose testes are literally the size of billiard balls. I remember seeing a photo in a natural history magazine while I was in 6th grade...impressionable young minds...

That has to do with the fact that over 99% of sperm serves no other purpose but to attack other sperm(of other males). So, the ones with the capacity to produce the most infantry will be most likely to pass along their genes.
 
2004-03-02 10:00:36 PM
though females are more attracted to the physical fit monkey-man, it does not mean that he will be more likely to reproduce, ie genetic fitness

If you're going to disagree, you need to state why you're disagreeing, and not just saying "not really." I know this is fark, but geez!

My point is that if physical fitness means greater chance at survival, then it follows that it will also mean a greater chance to mate. There are, of course, more variables to "genetic fitness" than physical fitness. ex: peacock. However, that doesn't mean that the previous 2 monkey scenario with the retarded gimp monkey having a higher sperm count.
 
2004-03-02 10:54:03 PM
I'm wondering if it the kid was one of those "Evolution is only a Theory! It's not fact!" Creationists, and the teacher responded with "Oh yeah? well gravity is only a theory, so go jump out the window yelling 'it's only a theory!' and see what happens."
 
2004-03-02 11:08:16 PM
I'm wondering if it the kid was one of those "Evolution is only a Theory! It's not fact!" Creationists, and the teacher responded with "Oh yeah? well gravity is only a theory, so go jump out the window yelling 'it's only a theory!' and see what happens."

Yea, but the kid won . . .

/swan dives out of apartment window
 
2004-03-02 11:25:54 PM
Remember the part in Carl Sagan's "Contact" (not in the movie) where they talk about whether or not God's will trumps the laws of physics. Jodie Foster's character offers to stick her face right next to a swinging Foucault pendulum that she knows, according to Newton's laws, will never swing back far enough to hit her.

I imagine this story was something like that.
 
ME!
2004-03-02 11:33:25 PM
Force*Time=Impulse. Physics people. Increase the time it takes for you to land, by bending your knees more when you first hit the ground, and the force is less. You to can see how it works with out jumping out a second story. Stand on your chair and then jump when you hit the ground you don't feel much. Now try it again, but lock your knees. You will feel the force of the floor more. Thank you Mr. Colby.
 
2004-03-03 12:56:49 AM
I wish the article explained HOW the topic switched from evolution to jumping out of windows...

Oh and Stinger I read that study too, and it said that larger testicles could be caused by either male or female promiscuity, let us not perpetuate any double standards here
 
2004-03-03 01:04:07 AM
Although they had been discussing evolution, the actual bet was in regard to whether or not the PTA had disbanded.
 
2004-03-03 02:21:13 AM
twenty bucks says that if the teacher had paid up, no one would have ever heard about this.
 
2004-03-03 03:27:58 AM
Artine

But that's only part of the story, since females are going to be less likely to choose to mate with chimp #2, possibly only mating with chimp #1 and others of his ilk. This could possibly result in a lack of offspring, with no selection taking place at all,

Ummmm What the &^$78 do you think you're trying to talk about? Because it sure as hell ain't selection! If neither chimp produces offspring, that's quite demonstrably very powerful selection against both of them!
 
2004-03-03 03:32:10 AM
crazy_gaijin
Physical fitness in the animal world usually means reproductive fitness.

Which is, of course, why rabbits are all extinct, right?

Geez, people, get your biology right at least!
 
2004-03-03 03:52:23 AM
Evolution makes students jump out of windows!!!

 
2004-03-03 07:48:03 AM
Student - As the more fit, more attractive individual I have been sleeping with your wife, your children are really mine. Your genes die with you.
Teach - I would have caught you.
Student - I jump out the window.
Teach - You would be hurt...
 
2004-03-03 08:57:15 AM
What a bunch of weird farking conversations.
 
2004-03-03 11:14:45 AM
bah, the student is the one at fault. i can easily see my teacher saying something like that sleight of hand, and no one would really take it seriously. if the student's enough of an asshat to try it, HE should be punished, not the focking teacher.
 
HTH
2004-03-03 01:08:41 PM
Falling from a second story window isn't falling very far(*). It's falling only one story. Two stories (third floor) is much more dangerous.

The evolution teacher obviously couldn't do math.

(*) That is, unless you have very high ceilings on the first floor. My high school had very high ceilings. I don't know how high they build them in Miami.
 
HTH
2004-03-03 01:11:35 PM
Kids jump out of second story windows all the time to sneak out at night.
 
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