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(Yahoo)   Aristide confirms the U.S. forced him out   ( divider line
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2004-03-02 12:59:09 AM  
One of two things is happening. One, the U.S. kicked him out, and I don't care. Two, he left on his own, and is now, for some reason, trying to save face when he should just shut up, and I still don't care.
2004-03-02 01:05:38 AM  
Has anyone ever heard of the nation that Aristide has been exiled to, Central African Republic?
2004-03-02 01:58:59 AM  
if they hadn't of pulled his ass out his bloody naked body would be getting dragged through the streets right now.
2004-03-02 02:08:13 AM  
Hmm....People biatching that the US would do nothing in Haiti because there was no oil was sooo last week, now these same people will biatch about interventionist policy.

wil [TotalFark]
2004-03-02 02:30:43 AM  
So Aristide is lying . . . or the Bush administration is lying.

Let's see . . . hmmm . . . who's lied to the world over and over again for the past three years?

This is going to be a tough one.
2004-03-02 02:35:40 AM  

Yeah, I've heard of it.

There was this episode of Jeopardy I saw where they had an
"Obvious answer" category where the answer to every question was within the question itself. Basically as a joke and to see who could buzz in the fastest I guess.

Anyway, the $500 question was something like "Bangui is the capitol of this central african republic"

One guy guessed "Chad" and the other two stared blankly.

And, no, Sean Connery wasn't there.
2004-03-02 04:06:40 AM  
I'd say Aristide is trying to save face on account of the world gullibility that the US is the scapegoat for all problems
2004-03-02 04:07:40 AM  
Why does anybody care about this? Why is the government involved?
2004-03-02 04:08:22 AM  
On another note...anyone else think 4 Yahoo news posts in a row is a tad strange?
2004-03-02 04:08:48 AM  
Has anyone ever heard of the nation that Aristide has been exiled to, Central African Republic?

Yes. It's in the centre of Africa. And it's a republic.
2004-03-02 04:15:09 AM  
reveal101 It's "Jimmy crack corn and I don't care."

Wil Politicians around the world lie everday. We just happen to be more familiar with our local brand of liars, er politicians.
2004-03-02 04:15:38 AM  
OMG Yahoo news spam, everyone run.
2004-03-02 04:18:37 AM  
Hmmm... who to believe, Aristide or GW's minions? Jeez, that's a toughie.
2004-03-02 04:19:33 AM  
damn it, must read replies FIRST.
2004-03-02 04:22:08 AM  
Yeah, what can I say - I mean Aristide lie? No ruthless, senseless, harsh dictator would lie about the reasons he was forced to flee for his life. It must be a bush plot. You win a prize.....jeez
2004-03-02 04:22:59 AM  
ffffffff gigbsssbaddl


2004-03-02 04:23:02 AM  
Wasn't it basically on the front page of every US newspaper yesterday that the current US adminstration was asking Aristide to step down?? Now they are calling those claims unfounded?? So did like 90% of the news outlets in the US get it wrong the other day or is this just more selective memory loss??
2004-03-02 04:23:07 AM  
It's not news, it's
2004-03-02 04:23:58 AM  

I like how everytime the Americans oust someone it's "a ruthless, senseless, harsh dictator" but calling Bush a dictator makes you an "evil terrorist".
2004-03-02 04:25:14 AM  
just wanted to pitch in as a register'd bush hater. or to be more specific a religious person hater. Yeltsin! Yeltsin!!
2004-03-02 04:25:48 AM  
I call shenanigans
2004-03-02 04:28:56 AM  
Why does Jesse Jackson get all the cool phone calls?
2004-03-02 04:29:05 AM  
Never said anyone was a terrorist for calling bush a dictator let alone an evil one. In this particular instance why should anyone give Aristide any credibility?
2004-03-02 04:30:24 AM  
Let's not forget Aristide is a former priest.

Right now, Haitian altar boys are all breathing a sigh of relief.
2004-03-02 04:31:05 AM  
Agent Pothead- no, its called brain dead journalism. The news is so bad in the US, they will advertise for a real medicine, and just below it for some quack therapy. Many articles are self contradictory, and they never check facts. Remember the UFO prediction claim during the olympics? Never happened. How about now touting planting crops by astrology? Journalists and media workers are the stupidest people on earth. Clinton sleeps with an intern and there is talks of impeachment. Bush lies (embryos are deystroyed in SCR, WMD, faith based initiatives work, etc.) and there is no real media outcry. Hmmmm.
2004-03-02 04:31:26 AM  

Oh wait, I meant "unpatriotic camel jockey sympathiser". My bad.

Why should you give any politician any credibility? I think what pisses me off is that most people say that and they don't even know who Aristide is or his history with the US Gov't. All things considered, with how they puppeteered him into there it's not all that unlikely that they never unglued their fingers to the country and decided to do it again.

Why is one a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and one a "rational argument against a tyrannical dictator"? I don't see it.
2004-03-02 04:33:51 AM  
Two questions:

1) If Aristide is lying about it then the only reason I can think of is to make the US look bad. Why then describe their agents as "good, warm, nice,"?

2) Where can I get me a wife called Mildred?
2004-03-02 04:33:55 AM  
To add to the Central African Republic question, I learned from history class that it was briefly the Central African Empire in the 1970's I think, run by some guy named Emperor Bokassa. He liked to eat people, so they got rid of him and returned to being a republic. Yay for remembering something in history class!
2004-03-02 04:34:19 AM  
I'm a democrat, and I dislike Bush with a passion. But I still find it hard (VERY hard) to believe that we'd kidnap him, take him to the Central African Republic, and then permit him to make calls to the AP and members of Congress. If we'd nabbed him at gunpoint, the report would have stated he was in an "undisclosed location," and that he couldn't be allowed calls "at this time," for security reasons.

It seems more likely that he was an enormous pussy, begged the US to get him out, then tried to pander to his supporters still in Haiti by claiming he was taken against his will, so he wouldn't look like an enormous pussy. Hopefully Haiti will have a better time with whoever they elect now, without resorting to Communism or a Pinochet-like dictatorship.
2004-03-02 04:38:27 AM  
He wasn't "forced out". His private security guards called the U.S. embassy, and the Americans said they couldn't guarantee his safety. The U.S. was so magnanimous as to offer a free private flight out of the country to the destination of his choice. The price was his resignation.

The reason for the fact that he claimed he was "kidnapped" is that in the weeks preceding his exile, he claimed he would "never leave" and would "rather die" than go into exile. Making a ridiculous claim of being kidnapped relieves him from any responsibility for his choice.
2004-03-02 04:39:24 AM  
Yahoo news, source of the day
2004-03-02 04:39:58 AM  
As much as this adds fire to the whole Bush=bad man thing, I call bullshiat on this one. And how come Jesse jackson managed to get involved in this?

PS: If I was black I'd start getting real nervous whenever Jesse came to town. Everytime something bad happens to a brother Jesse is there. Coincidence? I think not.
2004-03-02 04:40:37 AM  
Aristide was put in contact with The Associated Press by the Rev. Jesse Jackson

Here comes the race card.
2004-03-02 04:41:40 AM  
Nor did I call anyone a, how did you put it? "unpatriotic camel jockey sympathiser"? Just so you know I do happen to know my history, I know who Aristide is, and his history with the US. Please keep in mind who the president was in 1994 who authorized the aid of the US army to reinstate Aristide.
And no, I dont trust any politician. If there lips are moving there is a good chance they are lying.
2004-03-02 04:44:24 AM  
Besides, we saved his job in the 90's, he's ours. His performance as employee was unsatisfactory and he broke company policy. We laid him off.

Also, who's preventing him from returning? He can book a flight just like anyone else. Why don't we all chip in and buy him a ticket, and drop him off on a street corner in downtown Cap-Hatien?
2004-03-02 04:45:20 AM  
So if this is true, where's the problem?

This time even France agreed that someone's got to get involved in this before we get major atrocities on prime time TV. And the US allowing French millitary action in their backyard would be a weird thought at best.
Removing an oppressive head of state and sending him to excile without bombing major cities and starting an attempt at nation building sounds fair to me.

So what's the wheather like in central Africa right now?
2004-03-02 04:45:39 AM  

Did a little research on Bokassa myself. Seems like a well-balanced and perfectly sane person, especially on this picture:

[image from too old to be available]
2004-03-02 04:47:19 AM  
Whatever happened, his life was probably saved by him leaving. If that's a good thing, only time will tell.
2004-03-02 04:47:42 AM  
I must say, sounds awfully like American modus operandi.
2004-03-02 04:51:57 AM  
Umm... didn't the US get him in there in the first place?
2004-03-02 04:53:07 AM  
Friend of mine was there back in 94. Only thing he mentioned about it was him being ordered to take more explosives than he usually would. So when he hit the beach and slung his pack down to use as cover he realised what he was doing. He was using a pack full of 120 pounds of C4, Claymores and grenades as cover.

He moved out pretty damn quick after that.
2004-03-02 04:55:00 AM  
Crap. Now one of us has to go out with a dry erase marker and restart the "We've had X Days Since Our Last Coup d'Etat!" sign on the Port-au-Prince border.
2004-03-02 04:56:05 AM  
If the kids are united they will never be divided.
2004-03-02 04:57:51 AM  
From what I've heard, Aristide got word from Colin Powell that people were coming to kill him and that the US would not intervene to protect him. They say this was an attempt to scare Aristide into stepping down voluntarily, but it didn't work. He was pretty bent on standing his ground and not going down without a fight. It seems very unlikely he would just have a change of heart and ask the US to escort him out, esp. since the US stated they would not help him. And if the US installs a new president, that would definitely strengthen Aristide's story.

Also, Haitian = camel jockey? Racial slur mixup there?
2004-03-02 04:59:41 AM  
Reason to hate Bush/Clinton in... wait it's been taken care of. Seriously though in the 90's when Clinton moved in it seemed as if fewer people would die if we supported him, now it's otherwise. Both times we were trying to keep countries from more revolt than was necessary. Granted, we've caused a hell of a lot of upheaval and disappointment, but we're doing the best we think we can, we're trying to 'police' the world in the least way possible. Of course we're screwing up, but would you rather us do it blatantly? or not at all?
2004-03-02 05:02:00 AM  
and that's a serious question, or perhaps the most serious question as far as US intervention is concerned, not looking for a flamewar, just perspectives.
2004-03-02 05:04:05 AM  
Aristide - after defiantly claiming he'd never leave his post - asks for help from the U.S. and gets this reply: "Either we can fly you out on condition of your resignation, or you can stay here and deal with the problems you created. Either way, the U.S. Military isn't at your beck and call."
20 hours of flight later in which all Carribbean countries state they don't want him, Aristide lands in Africa, bitter and pissed because he got the boot and the U.S. didn't help him keep his position of dictatorship. So he makes charges of kidnapping to...CNN?...Rueters?... nope, Jessie Jackson. And Jackson's lapdogs Maxine Waters and Charles Wrangel practically piss themselves in glee trying to get out the idea that the U.S. somehow kidnapped this guy (Jackson can't do it himself, he's got secretaries to tend to after all).
If your difficulty in deciding whom to believe rests on some "Bush lied to the world" idiocy, then yer head's too far up your hating ass to think clearly.
2004-03-02 05:04:17 AM  
We pulled out of Haiti after reinstating Aristide because the congress was against our using troops as "nation builders." After we leave Iraq, I give it a year, max, before it's affectionately known as Haiti II
2004-03-02 05:06:04 AM  
bushhater = american hater

2004-03-02 05:13:40 AM  

Honestly, as a member of the rest of the world, I would feel more comfortable if the US wasn't installing leaders at all. I am aware that democracy is an ideal for the US, but I don't think it can be even-handedly applied to every other country, and even if it could I don't see how it affects affairs Stateside anyway. I guess I just don't understand why the US has taken on this police role at all.
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