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2001-12-13 12:51:30 PM
TimmyJimmy:

There are almost no terrorist 'sympathizers' in America. When people mean address the root causes, they mean addressing the peace process in Isreal, and basically being less mercenary and less of an asshole to the Middle Eastern countries and being more of a (guarded) partner.

There are a total of 3 people in the country (all in Berkley) who actually mean 'just being nicer to the terrorists'.

But don't denigrate a very good argument by representing it as something no one believes.
 
2001-12-13 12:51:40 PM
Popken - try reading the news about the other evidence. This is only very recently obtained evidence. The rest has to be kept secret to protect intelligence sources.
 
2001-12-13 12:52:17 PM
Harmonia, I know where you are heading with this, and I'll try to stop it now.

The final choice is where you come in. I doubt many people from the Western Hemisphere would choose Choice 2, so I left you an out with Choice 3. It isn't groundbreaking, it simply says that if you believe otherwise, your opinion is only valid if you try to realize it. While I can honestly admit that Rei talking about sabotaging US equipment (NOT in this thread) so that she can impose her opinion on others inflames me to no end, I would have to at least commend her slightly if she actually doing it. To simply sit their in your seat and tell someone they are wrong without offering a conceivable and viable alternative isn't helping to change the situation that we all detest into something better(of course, your definition of "conceivable and viable" probably differs from mine).

Basically, I am just chastizing inactivity. If you have an opinion, don't go to extremes by declaring it universally right and then sit and do nothing to realize it...

Of course, that kind of reasoning is what started this whole thing anyway...sigh, I hate the world these days.
 
2001-12-13 12:52:41 PM
Nez: you think they control the press?! What leads you to believe that?
 
2001-12-13 12:52:43 PM
Goatman: who cares if it is fake? i don't. i suppose it gives you a warm fuzzy.
 
2001-12-13 12:52:46 PM
Harmonia, please move to a muslim country like Pakistan or Iran. You would most certainly be happy there. Maybe over the years the shiat would flow off your eyes and you would see into what shiathole you have just wasted your life. It's very easy to be critical from the comforts of one's own western home with western freedoms.
 
2001-12-13 12:54:11 PM
Popken

UBL: The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a
martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didnt know
anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not
reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.


The use of "We" in the above does not indicate that he was behind it??? WTF??
 
2001-12-13 12:55:22 PM
yeah, TimmyJimmy this tape shows just how out of touch with the West these guys are. their public statements tend to give us a chuckle rather than the intended effect because they make is so obvious how little they understand us.

what was that quote: "we love death, the way you love life" - spoken as if it would instill fear and respect for the terrorists in us! bit of a cultural miscalculation that just makes us think they're scary and weird. in the gulf war the iraqi's were deploying some truly sophisticated psyops: radio broadcasts telling American troops that their girlfriends were at home being farked by Bart Simpson! Hilarious!

certainly, the interesting points to be made about this tape are not found the 'it's a fake' threads....
 
2001-12-13 12:55:51 PM
Maybe we should try talking about things.
 
2001-12-13 12:56:07 PM
Funkyfingerproductions: Your attitude is similar to that of Bush and co - I didn't say it was fake, I hypothosised such, and commented upon that hypothesis for fark's sake. Don't be so quick to condemn me, however fashionable it may be.
 
2001-12-13 12:57:00 PM
Even if Osama went to his house and admitted to the whole thing (using small words so he could understand), people like Goatman would still-

a) Chant "Fake, fake, fake!" while covering their eyes and ears.

b) Listen to the likes of Noam Chomsky and co. push it as faked, and an example of "America's Lies and Manipulation"

c) Swallow whole everything the leftist media has to say with nary a question.

Oh yeah,

d) and they would still have to watch as the bombing goes on.

The level of self-deception some people exhibit is nothing short of amazing.
 
2001-12-13 12:57:13 PM
Hello
 
2001-12-13 12:57:49 PM
The official name, according to my CIA factbook, is Koninkrijk der Nederlanden -- translated as Kingdom of the Netherlands.

Two of the provinces in the Netherlands are Noord-Holland and Zuid-Holland.

CIA Fact Book on Holland

Or if you are paranoid enough to believe that since the CIA said it, it must be wrong, try the official website of the Dutch monarchy:

Dutch royal family website

"Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden is een constitutionele monarchie:"

S.T.Pickrell
 
2001-12-13 12:59:35 PM
Mr.Gumbo: Nez has a lot of theories about "them."
 
2001-12-13 12:59:45 PM
MrGumboPants:

I don't mean "nicer to the terrorists" as such, I mean rather that people who do look at those root causes react to them the way that they would if they were happening in a free, democratic country. If that doesn't come across right please forgive me, as I haven't put my thoughts about all this into words in a long time.
 
2001-12-13 01:00:37 PM
It's not fake. Anyone with any experience in the field of computer graphics, animation, or visual effects would pin it as being fake if they used CG or any Hollywood tricks. Hollywood isn't perfect you know, the look of stuff is close enough for the masses, but anyone who knows what the hell they're talking about can distinguish between what's real and what's not when it comes to Hollywood magic.
 
2001-12-13 01:01:08 PM
Whoops I meant CIA factbook on the Netherlands.

However in the American English vernacular Holland and the Netherlands are used interchangeably.

Shawn
 
nez
2001-12-13 01:01:21 PM
Gumbo: Oh. You haven't heard. I'm Fark's resident tinfoil hat wearing psycho - at least that's what anyone disagreeing with me would tell you...

See, I believe that the government had knowledge of the attacks, and either assisted with or was complacent to them. I'm sure Skwidd will fill you in on my "crazy" ranting about the big bad politicians.
 
2001-12-13 01:01:21 PM
Cyc66: hi
 
2001-12-13 01:01:47 PM
here ya go NEZhttp://www.lonelyplanet.com/mapshells/europe/netherlands/netherlands.htm

http://www.orc.ru/~kysa/nl_map_e.htm

http://terrassa.pnl.gov:2080/fac/netherlands/map.html

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html


oh yeah, the video is fvcking fake and you are all brainwashed monkeys!!
 
2001-12-13 01:02:00 PM
Skwidd: What a delightful image you have of me! Have you ever tried reading my posts? They give an even better idea of what I'm like!
 
2001-12-13 01:02:14 PM
I think most of the people who are saying the tape is a fake are being sarcastic.

Shawn
 
2001-12-13 01:02:39 PM
I'll let that speak for itself.
 
2001-12-13 01:03:04 PM

I'm witholding judgement of the tape's authenticity until I see it (well, I probably should until I see it with a speaker of Arabic). Like MrTuffPaws, I, too, believe that UAL93 was shot down and the heroes came from the fertile imaginations of TV network minions at the behest of their bought leaders. I'm mistrustful of what comes from CNN, MSNBC and other major news channels due to their having interests and influences similar to those of our campaign-finance-influenced leaders. It seems an awful lot like a back-scratching affair to me, here.


In this vein, I would say to Asthmaticenemyofgod, this isn't 1974, and the news ventures aren't run by people with some kind of closely held ideals or journalistic integrity, just customer profiling and shareholder value (for better or for worse). I would hazard a guess that if this *were* faked, the only people who would rant about it would be fringe left-wing publications and libertarian wingnuts. They have been crying foul at this government pre-September 11, and have gotten no reaction from media outlets. They're not feared by the US Government, and are largely ignored by the populace taking their media spoonfeeding.


It's not in the interests of Murdoch, Turner et al. (or the Justice Department, etc. etc.) to smear Bush at this point. He's going to bat for them whenever they want him to. I imagine that everyone involved with this administration will walk away with bulging pockets after they fill out the other term.


Remember well: The US Gov't was able to blow up that weirdo house in Waco on video and get away with it with minimal damage. Ok, some people made noise, and the ATF has been quiet for a while, but really: what consequences? The media helps our already short memories with very little coverage of issues with little recency (Mr. Condit, would you stand up, please?). If it were faked, all they would have to do is not talk about it (hey, USA, here's Britney Spears in a skimpy bikini with a flag on it!). To smear a declared enemy with some faked footage isn't exactly a burglary at the DNC headquarters, it doesn't implicate Americans against Americans. No biggie.

 
2001-12-13 01:03:34 PM
Goatfarker: You just come across as wanting the tape to be fake...to fulfill some sort of emotional need. Also, you refuse to exercise any semblance of critical thinking, so I shall write your words off with poo.
 
2001-12-13 01:03:51 PM
It's ok, Goatman. I understand how complex you are and how no one understands you. Heh.
 
2001-12-13 01:04:32 PM
I'm going to quote this so that everyone reads it again:

"It's not fake. Anyone with any experience in the field of computer graphics, animation, or visual effects would pin it as being fake if they used CG or any Hollywood tricks."

It simply isn't possible to fool all the experts in such a high profile case. Give it a couple of days and let all the video dudes have a look at it, and if it's fake, there will be a huge groundswell of accusations. If it's real, there will be a couple of accusations that can't be backed up, and you've got to assume it's real.
 
2001-12-13 01:05:14 PM
Funkyfingerprints: Learn to differentiate between hypothesising and political leaning.

My seeming to want the tapes to be fake could easily be seen as an actual indication of your desire as opposed to mine.
 
2001-12-13 01:05:15 PM
i'm not being sarcastic at all when i say it is fake....read 1984!!
 
2001-12-13 01:05:21 PM
Skwidd, the mass media is not leftist, no matter what you think. There is no such thing as a real liberal mass media anymore-- Now they are just NEOliberals willing to throw aside their beliefs just so they can help their hypocritical politician friends get elected with the millions and millions of corporate dollars flowing into the campaigns.
 
2001-12-13 01:05:57 PM
Peanutnm: But what about the black UN helicopters?
 
2001-12-13 01:06:58 PM
MrGumboPants: Goatman told me they made it poor quality to cover up all the CG, seeing as how this is such an effective propaganda tool...

/rollseyes
 
2001-12-13 01:07:05 PM
Skwidd: I'm only complex to those without a concentration span of over a minute.
 
2001-12-13 01:07:13 PM
Skwidd: I'm only complex to those without a concentration span of over a minute.
 
2001-12-13 01:07:41 PM
"12-13-01 01:01:21 PM Nez
Gumbo: Oh. You haven't heard. I'm Fark's resident tinfoil hat wearing psycho - at least that's what anyone disagreeing with me would tell you..."

Nez, your shrill comments and your rude treatment of those who dare to disagree with you tend to lead to that assessment. Unlike Rei, Harmonia and even the Goat, your posts at no point sit down and make me think, "Hmm, they may have a point."

"See, I believe that the government had knowledge of the attacks, and either assisted with or was complacent to them."

Have knowledge? That is a distinct possibility. Whether incompetence at the middle levels of CIA-FBI bureaucracy or an ulterior motive at the highest levels can be open to debate. I personally favour the former myself.

Assisted with or was complacent to them? Those are serious accusations, and if you care to have anyone take you seriously, as opposed to regarding you as anything other than conspiracy nut, you should provide a little bit of evidence.

Oh yeah, and Clinton had several people killed in Arkansas too.

Freedom of speech does not imply freedom from criticism.

S.T.Pickrell
 
2001-12-13 01:07:42 PM
I can't believe how many idiots are out there today, Its Fake Its Fake. You are probably the same people that believe that Britney Spears actually sings at her concerts. That or you are watching the Video on the shiatiest of computers and internet connection. Think about this. The Gov released this video with intentions of convincing the Muslims that still support Osama that he is indeed a loon with hopes that they will no longer support him. Why would they put this plan in jepordy with a fake video and the risk of it turning even more people against the effort ?
I suggest that unless you have a broadband connection that you watch it on TV. Even the Tommy Lee and Pamela video seemed faked when I seen it on realplayer via a 56k modem.
 
2001-12-13 01:09:26 PM
NOW NOW NOW MY FRIENDS!!!!! It appears that we have a little dilema here. How can you prove that the video is actually Osama Bin Laden?
Now we see here. That turbine worn in the video is clearly a size 8.5. As all of you well know, Mr. Bin Laden is a size 7. That man's head is obviously too big to be Mr. Bin Laden! You must acquit!! IF THE TURBINE DON'T FIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT!!!!!!!

Don't make me use the Chewbacca defense!
 
2001-12-13 01:09:46 PM
MattIdol1 i agree with you there's no real liberal mass media.... but it's not that their throwing aside their beliefs, it's that they're only taking the neo-liberal beliefs on in the first place because it's fashionable, and those are the opinions of the politicians, corporate bigwigs they socialize with.

see Bernard Goldberg's recent 'insider' book on media bias.
 
2001-12-13 01:10:28 PM
Well this is about as fake as those moon landing propaganda tapes realeased in the 60's.
 
2001-12-13 01:10:46 PM
For those of you thinking the media is propagandizing on behalf of the U.S., read reports being released this morning that the U.S. has been making weapons-grade anthrax for the past few years in Utah, against international treaties. And that it is identical to the anthrax in the letters.

Then stick your heads back up your rectums. Commie bastards.
 
2001-12-13 01:10:53 PM
still not sure why people think torching the Waco nuts was a bad idea.
 
2001-12-13 01:11:04 PM
NOW NOW NOW MY FRIENDS!!!!! It appears that we have a little dilema here. How can you prove that the video is actually Osama Bin Laden?
Now we see here. That turbine worn in the video is clearly a size 8.5. As all of you well know, Mr. Bin Laden is a size 7. That man's head is obviously too big to be Mr. Bin Laden! You must acquit!! IF THE TURBINE DON'T FIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT!!!!!!!

Don't make me use the Chewbacca defense!


The turban shrank in the cold water they had to use to wash it in the cave.......

plus he was wearing a rubber prosthetic device on his head to protect his turban from lice infestation...
 
nez
2001-12-13 01:14:04 PM
Shawn, you've said some nasty things to me before, and usually don't respond to trolls such as yourself, but you're getting a little high up on your horse there pal.
 
2001-12-13 01:14:39 PM
Disasterbator - "these guys are real mystical wackos. this tape really underscores the fact that these extremists are living in a Medieval Arab time warp."

Yes, it's like he is setting himself up as the second Old Man on the Mountain. His cave complex in Tora Boar is like the fortress at Altamut. Of course there is a striking difference between the 13th and 21ts centuries he seems to have overlooked, big farking US Planes dropping big farking bombs.
 
2001-12-13 01:15:01 PM
Why the fark would someone wear a "turbine" on their head? Would it somehow generate energy? Or could you attach blades to it and fly up in the air like a helicopter?

Ah, perhaps he meant 'turban.'
 
2001-12-13 01:15:06 PM
Goatman: No, I could really give a shiat about validity of the tape. What you call hypothesizing I call 'Goatmans special desire'.


Oh hey, Noam called me up and left a message. He said -

'goatman is NOT coo.'
 
2001-12-13 01:15:32 PM
next you'll be telling me Michael Jacksons 'Moon Walk was Fake. nooooooooooooooo
 
2001-12-13 01:16:08 PM
because christian wackos have just as much of a claim to human rights as muslim wackos, Perrin, and incidentally, as any of us. even though political factions like to pick and choose who's basic human rights are actually of any importance.
 
2001-12-13 01:17:33 PM
next you'll be telling me Michael Jacksons 'Moon Walk was Fake. nooooooooooooooo

'Bout the only thing on or about that "man" that isn't fake


/HEEEE hee....g'ON girl......
 
2001-12-13 01:17:35 PM
I present to you the super Allah Turbine 2000 - YOu can go straight to heaven with this super model and only 5 easy payments of 59.95 and your soul!
 
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