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(Boston Globe)   Church attendance drops back to pre-September 11 levels   (boston.com) divider line 40
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2001-12-13 10:54:01 AM
church is for dummies
 
2001-12-13 10:56:29 AM
Church is for xmas, easter, and when planes start flying into building. Other then that whats the point?
 
2001-12-13 10:58:38 AM
Flamebait,

What's the point? That's pretty obvious - a money pit. Much like a tourist trap.
 
2001-12-13 11:00:51 AM
Jesus..........
 
2001-12-13 11:01:19 AM
Good!

Stop looking to some imaginary, invisible man to solve your problems. Look in the mirror and at one another to solve your problems.
 
2001-12-13 11:05:43 AM
Or if you are going to look to an imaginary, invisible man.. don't just do it when you've got problems. Be consistent..
 
2001-12-13 11:06:09 AM
The Force needs no such buildings.
 
2001-12-13 11:07:27 AM
uhhh...does anyone else miss the good ol' fundie flame wars we used to enjoy here on FARK.com?
 
2001-12-13 11:07:50 AM
Good useifying of the "obvious" tag.
 
2001-12-13 11:09:27 AM
Like the old saying says, "There are no athiests in foxholes."
 
2001-12-13 11:17:55 AM
Whoooo-hoooo. All of the civilians are realizing that sleep is more important again. The terrorist _haven't_ won. =p
 
2001-12-13 11:32:02 AM
Zzazazz : So we should all be good little church goers because we might find ourselves in danger or in need of help sometime? I do have a religion I follow, but I trust in myself a lot more than I trust in anyone mystical coming to save me arse in a crisis.
 
2001-12-13 11:35:13 AM
However, porn consumption levels are still at an all time high!
 
2001-12-13 11:39:34 AM
this is a very sad post. People need to be in church, because when its too late, then they'll wish they had.
 
2001-12-13 11:41:44 AM
People would be better off going to the library to become educated on christianity than going to church. It isn't a magic bullet than can fix your life if you don't have faith -- it's hard to have faith without investigating the evidence first, since the typical view in this country is the (incorrect) view that it is based on blind faith...

Oh well... like no one predicted this would happen... nothing to see...
 
2001-12-13 11:42:04 AM
The terrorist haven't won, France surrenders anyway.
 
2001-12-13 11:43:55 AM
yeah, when its too late they'll wish they had...spent more time doing the things they wanted to instead of in fear of a god that isn't there..
 
2001-12-13 11:56:52 AM
Its remarkable to me that any christian can take their faith seriously when there are so many variations on christianity.

Actually, I guess its not that strange, most christians just interprete what they think is in the bible (regardless of if they've actually read it or not) however makes the most sense according to their existing ethical system. Parts that don't make sense just get ignored.

Its probably not just christians of course, just that there are lots of them running amok here in the states, so they make easy targets.

I'm not saying that the way they practice their spirituality is wrong, its just not necessarily consistant with the bible, which, again, isn't necessarily even consistant with itself. And why should they have to be consistant about their faith anyway? The sole function of faith, from my point of view, is to make the faithful more comfortable with the world.
 
2001-12-13 11:58:00 AM
Shwaunee:
Your post is what's sad. Like DivineOb said, people would be better off spending time in the library than in church. Instead of listening to some preacher telling you his "revealed" version of what's moral and how to make it to an imaginary afterworld, one should read about history of religion and philosophy; and then make decisions for themselves. But Fundies seem to avoid thinking for themselves at all costs.

"Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do." [Bertrand Russell]

But then again without Fundies there wouldn't be anyone to laugh at.
 
2001-12-13 12:04:10 PM
Shwaunee : I admit I don't believe in the Christian/Catholic/Jewish "God" per se, but I do have some theories about him. And fairly close to the top is that he put us here to live a life, and have some fun with it, so long as we don't hurt nayone else. I doubt God needs anyone praising him. If he did create all of existence, doesn't he already know he's all that and a bag of Dorritos?
 
2001-12-13 12:05:08 PM
Shwaunee:

Before its too late to get to go to heaven where the streets are lined of gold, there is eternal bliss and no pain, and Angels cater to your every whim?

Are there 72 virgins for the special people who make it to your heaven too?
 
2001-12-13 12:23:13 PM
Dimossi: I absolutely agree with you (and DivineOb) when you say that people should be in a library, reading, studying, etc. so they can make an informed, conscious decision. Faith in something (no matter what that something is for a person) should never be taken lightly. But should that take the place of going to a house of worship? Let's just say it never will for me.

Also, you know what I think is the saddest thing of all? People who completely trash something that is near and dear to millions, without any provocation whatsoever... just to pump themselves up or make them feel better about themselves.
 
2001-12-13 12:33:40 PM
Hopefully in the near future society will evolve past the need to go to a "house of worship" to praise an imaginary god.

The only good thing about a church is for the fellowship of other members and for the teachings of basic morals. Both of these can be accomplished without the superstitious mumbo jumbo that most churches profess.
 
2001-12-13 12:37:38 PM
Yeah,life is pretty much back to normal. Church attendance falls off, old ladies get trampled at Walmart, guy sues a railway because he gets drunk and falls asleep on the tracks and gets a new nickname called Stubby, another guy sues a varsity school cuz his kid ain't got game, Gary Condit is still around, and the Detroit Lions still suck...


Sighhhh, ain't we all happy now ?
 
2001-12-13 12:56:39 PM
Xbic: Maybe I wasn't clear in what I meant. When I see people who have fallen away from the faith, most of the time it is because they followed christianity blindly, so when they hit some questions they couldn't answer, they gave up. Christianity stands the test of evidence, and with the confidence investigation gives, one is more equipped to deal with the difficult times they encounter. Obviously attending church is important, but times of trial cause many nonbelievers or casual believers to think that doing so will be a magic bullet that makes it all make sense... when it fails to do so they get frustrated and give up as well...
 
2001-12-13 01:06:25 PM
DivineOb: Thanks for elaborating (I still agree with you, even if what I said may have sounded like a rebuttal), you are right, it all starts with building a foundation of knowledge.
 
2001-12-13 01:13:49 PM
Jeebus help them all...
 
2001-12-13 01:32:55 PM
How in the world, does a barbaric religion like Christianity stand the test of evidence? Of all the religions in the world, this one is the dumbest and least civilized.
 
2001-12-13 02:00:46 PM
cerryl: after seeing the situation in Northern Ireland, i tend to agree with you. wonder how long it is till someone mentions the other religions crimes?
 
2001-12-13 02:05:47 PM
First, I'd have to ask you why you claim christianity is barbaric and uncivilized? Are you basing this on the actual beliefs of the religion itself, or the actions of a some foolish followers of the faith?

As far as the test of evidence, this site http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/kking/history.html provides a very good overview of evidence in an accessible manner (of course, I would encourage you to also read nonchristian responses to these evidences to make your own mind up). Briefly, there is a lot of evidence that what we have today reflects what was written in the NT originally http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/kking/ntdocs2.html , discussions of when the gospels were written http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/kking/ntdocs4.html and reasons to believe that the apostles were honest in the claims they made http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/kking/charact.html . There is lots more discussed on that page, but here I just mentioned links to issues regarding the reliability of what we have in front of us today...
 
2001-12-13 02:55:19 PM
everyone has beliefs, athiests belive in themselves and the antural sciences

Religion however is nonsense, the boogedyman makes more sense than the bullshiat that the bible or any other theoligal text out there. But hey if you want to waste ever sunday is church go ahead,to quote bad religion "Do what you want, but don't do it around me"

Fartpiles!
 
2001-12-13 03:16:00 PM
Nice to see some return to sanity.
 
2001-12-13 04:04:57 PM
It's nice to know that RiceMan666 is the authority on what is and is not nonsense.
 
2001-12-13 04:13:51 PM
He's expressing his opinion, and has neither more nor less right than you do
 
2001-12-13 04:15:53 PM
Watch what happens when we replace the wine and wafers with Pabst Blue Ribbon and pork rinds...
 
2001-12-13 04:20:32 PM
I don't get the evidence at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/kking/history.html . It's professed on the site that contradictory evidence was likely destroyed in the early days of Christendom. While that doesn't prove or disprove Christianity as a historical insight, it certainly doesn't stand as strong evidence of any sort. Who's to say the majority of the evidence that went against this wasn't willfully destroyed? The site willfully admits this! How is such a biased analysis even possibly compelling?

(Never mind that some of the conclusions on there are rather far-fetched if one attempts to approach them with a cool, rational point of view to begin with, but I'll just grant them these points and deny them their assumptions)
 
2001-12-13 04:24:23 PM
Church would not be so bad if it was more like a strip club.
 
2001-12-13 04:26:13 PM
While people are, of course, free to state their opinions... opinions based on ignorance (which I'd estimate is the case for RiceMan666 with about 99.99% probability) should not be afforded the same respect as those based on research.
 
2001-12-13 04:31:22 PM
Tedb512: Where does it say that contradictory evidence was destroyed? I read most of the site but maybe I missed the part you're talking about. Also, I don't know which conclusions are 'rather far-fetched', so could you provide examples? Obviously I'm a christian but I do my best to read such things with as unbiased of a mind as I can, but I could have missed some obvious flaws in the arguments which are presented.
 
2001-12-13 07:33:34 PM
I dont think the attendence rate at my church has changed (we're small anyway). People show up if they want to, dont come if they dont want to, or whatever the reason.
 
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