I am socially liberal and fiscally conservation.
I always thought that no matter what, whoever was leading the country would try to do the right thing.
I have always been a Republican. Never even entered my mind to vote democrat.

Well George Bush is socially hard-core-conservative, fiscally stupid and I don't trust him to do the right thing.

The Dems could nominate a homeless guy and I would vote for him.




You can put the 40oz down now, Mr. President.

Don't think Kerry will be Bush, but Edwards could. As far as Nader, how about VP? Wonder if he could be drafted?

Edwards/Nader 04.

Nader as VP would drive most of the swing/independent voters that are middle of the road over to the Bush camp. It's almost as bad of an idea as putting him up as the only man against Bush would be.

I was going to vote in absentia since I'm in the UK....but I'm from Texas. So does it even matter?

I think I'll just sit over here and hope desperately that Bush doesn't get re-elected...and then try to stay here if he does.

2004-02-22 12:15:54 PM virgosnake
Don't think Kerry will be Bush, but Edwards could. As far as Nader, how about VP? Wonder if he could be drafted?

BE bush?
funniest typo i've seen on here yet. waitaminute... VIRGOSNAKE= NADER IN DISGUISE!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

gilga:

I like Nader - one, if not the, most important American of the 20th century. The only one with the balls to point out the corporate control over the Dems. I voted for him last election, and I'll do it again.

You are one, if not the, most ignorant person I think I've ever had the displeasure to encounter, online or off. You're right. I had no idea the Democrats were also special interest whores. There totally aren't people writing books about it every single day. If it weren't for Nader, this country would be a nuclear oven. Right? Right? I don't usually say this wuth any degree of seriousness, but if you killed yourself today the world would be a better place. Out of all the great people that ran through the world in the 20th century, after all the accomplishments made by the human race, Ralph goddamn Nader is your choice for most important? Where were you not educated? What is your first clear memory of your mom and dad failing as parents?

Goddamn, man. Just eat the muzzle.

2004-02-22 12:14:37 PM eraser8

LOL, Ok if you say so.

2004-02-22 12:12:25 PM eraser8

From the Green Party website:
Lie #1: This is a two-party system.
Nothing in the US Constitution limits the number of political parties. Democracy means free participation, in the party of your choice.

Lie #2: Green candidates steal votes from Democrats
Greens will continue to affect election outcomes - and sometimes win. But Greens have no power to steal votes from Democratic candidates, because no candidate owns anyones vote except for his or her own.

Lie #3: If Nader hadn't run, everyone who voted for him would have voted for Gore!
According to exit polls, Naders support came from Democrats, Republicans, independents, and many others. Many would not have voted for Gore if Nader hadn't run, and some voters might not have voted at all.

Rillion

I was going to vote in absentia since I'm in the UK....but I'm from Texas. So does it even matter?


Bush will definitely win Texas, but there is enough anti-Bush sentiment there to make a dent. If you vote your conscience you can send a message, regardless of the inevitable outcome.

One word: Perot

Do you remember how superfluous he became the second time he tried to run?

Well, thing is that Nader recognizes both the major parties as basically the same party. It turns into a centrist popularity contest just like high school elections. There are no principles and no ethics involved other than whatever polls of the "majority" reflect, no matter how stupid. Essentially politics boils down to the struggle between education and ignorance, as always.

Ignorance = the Republican Luddites.

Yeah, Nader as VP is loony, if only because the party kingpins would rather drink arsenic than see Nader in. And after what they did to Dean...

GO RALPH GO!!!!

Hey Democrats... Here's some advice.

Why don't you RESPECT DEMOCRACY instead of trying to censor everyone's vote and LIMIT DEBATE. Quit being totalitarians and EMBRACE DIVERSITY!!!!

NADER is just part of the wonderful tapestry of freedom and democracy. Love your country... Be PRO-CHOICE... Support FREE ELECTIONS... ACCEPT the NADER candidacy.

I guess Nader is not as intelligent as I thought. If he cared more about the country and less about himself, he'd stay out this year and support the Dem party. The #1 priority is getting Shrub out of office. However, he won't have as much impact this time as he did in 2000.
He has no chance of winning and anybody who votes for him is fooling themselves.

uatuba

A trillion dollar deficit is a wonderful economy according to you? Tell me, how are things going over there in Opposite Land?

I'd vote for Britney Spears over Bush. I honestly would. She'd still be a better president.

/ABB

Alyia
Okay, so they wouldn't even consider my application for Skull&Bones? I'll have my revenge!

MorticianBaby

Why don't you GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS and realize that voting for NADER will HELP BUSH WIN. If that happens, you probably won't be able to EMBRACE DIVERSITY and be PRO-CHOICE because these things will be OUTLAWED.

CharlieBrown - your homeless guy there'd never be a Democratic presidential candidate. Candidates for President can be drunks, but they must be a) white, and b) wholly ignorant of the plight of the poor. Even Democrats.

Your guy has a lot going for him though - all his friends don't own companies, and he might've even served a REAL tour in Vietnam, if he's old enough.

I suspect if Nader actually had a chance of winning he would fall victim to an "angry lone nut" with a deer rifle and a handful of magic bullets.

No way would the power structure ever let this guy in. Too radical.

Note: Using a farkload of caps in your post will not make it any more reasonable or potent.

This is a message from your local syntax abuse center.

I'm beginning to feel that, rather than being this highly-secret group with dangerous ties to power, Skull and Bones is really just a bunch of Yale fags talking about politics.

flamebroiledchicken.....
"I'd vote for Britney Spears over Bush"

That's pretty dang funny!

The problem both will face is that most of the "hard-core" supporters are entrenched and won't change their vote. Recent polls showing 45/45. Which leaves 10% that can be swayed either way (give or take). Based on last elections voter turn out-thats only around 11 million voters that can turn the election. (105 million voters in 2000).

Hillary won't be needed to win NY, but Edwards might be able to pull in some of the southern states that went Bush.

NY and California are pretty much written off to the democrats every presidential election, Il could be close depending on the economy (went to Gore last time).

Looks like it will come down to Florida again.

[Nader as VP would drive most of the swing/independent voters that are middle of the road over to the Bush camp.]

Shush! If the children are too young or dumb to figure it out on their own, you shouldn't go explaining it to them.

Hey, Mortician Baby, how about if we embraced diversity and had a conservative third party candidate? Progressives have to become, in some way, more like conservatives, and think about winning first, then purity. Cons don't think for a minute about purity (i.e., balancing the budget, running a conservative, prudent foreign policy). They take care of their clients and close ranks around anyone they feel can accomplish that.

i for one would welcome some anarchy.

revolution up in this peice. --conspiracy brother

rillion...
you're studying in the UK, you know your syntax... okay. i'm going to go ahead and approve your Change of State Origin form. As long as you promise to vote in absentia.

/rubberstamp

"Regardless of the politics involved,guys like Perot and Nader,who think they can just bypass the whole primary thing and just move to the head of the line really ought to be lifted right off their feet by a swift kick in the ass!"

Jeep 44
I'll take this to mean that you are against third parties, so you may be the one needing a kick in the ass.
You do understand these primaries are to select a DEMOCRAT to run for president. How do Nader and Perot fit into this?

go here www.votenader.org

No Such Agency
I do have a voting strategy this year.
I have voted for president 4 times and have yet to vote for a winner. So this time I am using reverse Psychology and voting FOR bush.

I'd like to remind everyone that NAFTA was championed by both Clinton and Bush while Perot was staunchly opposed. Remember that "giant sucking sound" he predicted?

i think you will see the largest voter turnout in history this election. time to do away with that elctoral college crap. its frustrating to vote for dem's in a very conservative state (virginia). i think the elctoral college should be based on the % of votes each canidate gets in a state, instead of having all the votes goto 1 guy

eraser8

Hilary Clinton is extremely unpopular in many parts of this country. She probably loses as many Southern voters as Edwards would bring in.

I would hope that Bush gets assassinated if it weren't for the fact that, if he was, Cheney would come to power and absolutely all of our rights would be stripped away in days.

/lunatic

alyia-- you're studying in the UK, you know your syntax... okay. i'm going to go ahead and approve your Change of State Origin form. As long as you promise to vote in absentia.

Cool. That would be even better if there was a state that voted Libertarian. ;-)

So, you don't like Kerry as much as you like Edwards, and you'll throw your vote away by voting for Nader, who has no chance in hell in winning?
I've been hearing rumbles of people wondering if Nader has been paid off by Bush to be another election year spoiler, because he worked so well last time.

eraser8 do you have a link to that page?

That's true, Perot did predict this massive exodus of jobs. He even said free trade was just fine with other G-7 countries because that was honest competition, but these turd-world cesspools that pay their workers a bowl of rice per day were just plain old slavery with a happy face. And the media hated Stockdale just because he was bad on TV. That was a big smear campaign right from the start. They were terrified an honest man like Perot might manage to get himself elected.

fark.

Great headline.
2004-02-22 12:07:12 PM eraser8

I agree 100%

I'm voting for Bush and I hope he turns the entire Middle East into rubble so they can get back to tending sheep and leave the rest of us alone.

People should be mad at the assclowns who vote FOR him and take away votes for the Democrats, rather than being mad at the man himself.

I liked the way McGovern 72 opened this up. I feel pretty much the same way, excepting that I don't know enough about Edwards to say that I would vote for him. I also don't agree with the idea that a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. When I voted for Nader last time, it was the first time (second chance) I voted for president. We know how that turned out and I might as well stayed at home. The idea that if you don't vote for one of the two "realistic possibilities" attacks the fundamentally empowering nature of voting. When did "may the best man win" turn into "may the lesser of these two evils win"? Hey, I don't want Bush to be the president, and I don't want Kerry to be the president and I realize that chances are good that I won't be happy in November. But that's still nine months away, so start thinking about voting for someone you want, not someone you feel like you're stuck with.