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2014-09-03 11:34:00 PM  
In the 15-minute clip, the 33-year-old calls the US the "United Snakes of America," and also calls James Foley  "Mr Beheaded infidel."

For fark's sake, even the Brits might beat this guy to death. It would be rude, but considered necessary.
 
2014-09-04 01:00:36 AM  
Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.
 
2014-09-04 01:22:07 AM  

doyner: Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.


Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.
 
2014-09-04 02:55:22 AM  
 
2014-09-04 02:55:46 AM  

Ambivalence: doyner: Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.

Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.


That doesn't sound like any kind of heaven for me!  I'd take the 72 sexually promiscuous yet mostly std free women option any day.
 
2014-09-04 02:59:13 AM  

Ambivalence: Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.


Actually iirc, the word that means 72 virgins can also be translated as "bunch of grapes" and considering that everything in the muslim paradise has to do with a garden, it would fit quite a bit better in that context.

Of course, a bunch of grapes won't recruit teenage males to kill themselves for the cause...
 
2014-09-04 03:02:13 AM  
What a total coont. If, and this is a very big if, you wanted to give the greatest possible benefit of the doubt and agree that US/UK actions in the region justify a violent response, there is still no just or reasonable cause to murder civilian journalists. I, for one, am sick to death of the many people who see fit to blame the citizens of a country for the actions of their government. The average person has absolutely fark all say in what their government does. They may agree, they may disagree, they may actively oppose those actions, but far too many will assign them guilt regardless.
 
2014-09-04 03:02:57 AM  

Lordserb: Ambivalence: Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.

Actually iirc, the word that means 72 virgins can also be translated as "bunch of grapes" and considering that everything in the muslim paradise has to do with a garden, it would fit quite a bit better in that context.

Of course, a bunch of grapes won't recruit teenage males to kill themselves for the cause...


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2014-09-04 03:03:28 AM  
A lot of people who live in America ARE afraid.  Mostly because it's festooned with quasi-literate imbeciles like you, Tony.
 
2014-09-04 03:05:54 AM  

Duane Dibbley: there is still no just or reasonable cause to murder civilian journalists. I, for one, am sick to death of the many people who see fit to blame the citizens of a country for the actions of their government.


I'm pretty sure you can't support IS without also being an asshole, considering one of the first things they did when they took over was mass-execute people for being the wrong kind of Muslim.
 
2014-09-04 03:06:40 AM  
A report on ISIS supporters from RT? This might take the cake for all current shiatty things in the world associating with each other. If only they had commentary on the story from John Boehner and Ted Cruz.
 
2014-09-04 03:22:37 AM  
What is Britain doing that generates these attention-whoring extremist twits? Or do we just get more coverage because they're speaking English, so no need for translations?

It makes me wonder if there's French crazies jetting off to jihad in Libya and other former Frog outposts.
 
2014-09-04 03:29:49 AM  
So he's an extremist who sympathises with the terrorists and makes vague comments that imply he knows about terrorist cells.

Arrest the piece of sputum.
 
2014-09-04 03:39:02 AM  
Right, right. Because the Taliban/Saudis were SOOO repressed and bothered by the US and others that the radicals had to use their resources and time to fly planes into things or bomb subways.

Funny how the demented remember things.
 
2014-09-04 03:42:18 AM  

Bonzo_1116: What is Britain doing that generates these attention-whoring extremist twits?]


A combination of the Brits being a bit worse at assimilating immigrants than the US and high immigration from Muslim countries.

Bonzo_1116: It makes me wonder if there's French crazies jetting off to jihad in Libya and other former Frog outposts.


IS is more popular in France than in Gaza (16% approval compared to 13% approval)

Again; old-world countries are really bad at assimilating immigrants (it's not really something they've had to do before).
 
2014-09-04 03:45:12 AM  

Gunther: Bonzo_1116: What is Britain doing that generates these attention-whoring extremist twits?]

A combination of the Brits being a bit worse at assimilating immigrants than the US and high immigration from Muslim countries.

Bonzo_1116: It makes me wonder if there's French crazies jetting off to jihad in Libya and other former Frog outposts.

IS is more popular in France than in Gaza (16% approval compared to 13% approval)

Again; old-world countries are really bad at assimilating immigrants (it's not really something they've had to do before).


And the people that have had to live with the actual consequences of extremist political and religious views are probably less likely to think it is a fun, cool, and hip thing to do. Which explains the wave of all the Western raised ISIS supporters.They are too farking stupid to realize what they are actually doing in the grand scheme of things
 
2014-09-04 03:45:21 AM  

Ambivalence: doyner: Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.

Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.


Is there anything that says they're even female virgins?  Their paradise could wind up being a total sausage fest.
 
2014-09-04 03:46:44 AM  

Ambivalence: doyner: Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.

Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.


There's no sex in Allah's champagne room?
 
2014-09-04 03:50:19 AM  

Ambivalence: doyner: Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.

Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.


I also wonder where those virgins came from. Are they women who lived and died on Earth having never had sex? And if so, wouldn't you need to take the number of devout muslim men and multiply it by 72 to get the number of virgin ladies who would need to die to meet the supply? That seems like it would be more than actually exist. As stated above, it is probably a mistranslation abused by jihadists. But fark, I forget how much logic evades fundamentalists sometimes.
 
2014-09-04 03:53:20 AM  
"We have to be objective and non-biased, that the beheading of James Foley, Mr Beheaded infidel, not to be disrespectful to him or his family, I can't remember his name, Mr Infidel, it wasn't unprovoked."

Ok, this guy is a piece of crap, but I was amused by this statement.
 
2014-09-04 03:55:25 AM  

quatchi: Ambivalence: doyner: Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.

Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.

There's no sex in Allah's champagne room?


it's Islam, more like no champagne in Allah's sex room.
 
2014-09-04 03:57:58 AM  

Atomic Spunk: "We have to be objective and non-biased, that the beheading of James Foley, Mr Beheaded infidel, not to be disrespectful to him or his family, I can't remember his name, Mr Infidel, it wasn't unprovoked."

Ok, this guy is a piece of crap, but I was amused by this statement.


That's one way to get ahead.
 
2014-09-04 04:00:34 AM  
Fine. We'll start with your family, then you.
 
2014-09-04 04:02:14 AM  
Once again, I think the War Nerd really puts this stuff in perspective:

On the beheadings.

As for the video, we can't say there isn't a big point to what he said - the US and Europe HAVE farked around in the middle east an awful lot. Remember that this is all fallout from the Iraq war? That US (and "coalition of the willing") killed a lot of people, and were particularly harsh with the Sunni? Is it even slightly surprising that these dudes would come back with crazy shiat like the beheadings? Of course, these guys precipitated the entire damn thing by flying planes into the twin towers. This was their strategy from the beginning. They want everyone to think they're powerful and crazy. They want the west to get spooked.

The reason they murder the journos is because they have a lot of trouble getting their hands on other Americans, particularly the drone operators, who sit in a comfy chair hundreds, if not thousands, of miles from the battlefield. It's not like none of the American drones have never killed an innocent person, either. "But that wasn't the target" doesn't mean shiat to the dead.

The thing is, the US is much, much, MUCH better at killing that these little creeps. The west as a whole is, we've just forgotten how damn bloodthirsty all the Europeans up until 1950 or so. Who has the great weapons tech that takes out hundreds of people at the push of a button? It isn't ISIS, or IS or whatever. Personally, I'm rooting for the US and the Kurds, but let's not get overdramatic about "civilian deaths". War is farking war.

If you don't like it... Well, who is there to admire? I have to admire pacifists, they are willing to die rather than add to the slaughter. War is ABOUT slaughter. Even when you have some pretty obvious bad guys, say WWII, a lot of just regular people still get killed. Like in Dresden or Tokyo. War and rape and beheadings and looting all go hand in hand.
 
2014-09-04 04:06:22 AM  

adamatari: Once again, I think the War Nerd really puts this stuff in perspective:

On the beheadings.

As for the video, we can't say there isn't a big point to what he said - the US and Europe HAVE farked around in the middle east an awful lot. Remember that this is all fallout from the Iraq war? That US (and "coalition of the willing") killed a lot of people, and were particularly harsh with the Sunni? Is it even slightly surprising that these dudes would come back with crazy shiat like the beheadings? Of course, these guys precipitated the entire damn thing by flying planes into the twin towers. This was their strategy from the beginning. They want everyone to think they're powerful and crazy. They want the west to get spooked.

The reason they murder the journos is because they have a lot of trouble getting their hands on other Americans, particularly the drone operators, who sit in a comfy chair hundreds, if not thousands, of miles from the battlefield. It's not like none of the American drones have never killed an innocent person, either. "But that wasn't the target" doesn't mean shiat to the dead.

The thing is, the US is much, much, MUCH better at killing that these little creeps. The west as a whole is, we've just forgotten how damn bloodthirsty all the Europeans up until 1950 or so. Who has the great weapons tech that takes out hundreds of people at the push of a button? It isn't ISIS, or IS or whatever. Personally, I'm rooting for the US and the Kurds, but let's not get overdramatic about "civilian deaths". War is farking war.

If you don't like it... Well, who is there to admire? I have to admire pacifists, they are willing to die rather than add to the slaughter. War is ABOUT slaughter. Even when you have some pretty obvious bad guys, say WWII, a lot of just regular people still get killed. Like in Dresden or Tokyo. War and rape and beheadings and looting all go hand in hand.


I have heard this compared to the experience of the British during WWII. Even if they didn't want to, the British pretty much had to fight Hitler. I doubt Britain would exist as we know it if they didn't. So it was a fight for the survival as a society. And I feel that that is one scenario where you are allowed to kill anyone who is trying to cause that. ISIS is rapidly becoming a society killing force that cannot be reasoned with (if they haven't reached that point yet). So yeah, why pacifism is an OK default position, there realistically needs to be a point where you can justifiably start killing the shiat out of everyone who is trying to kill you.
 
2014-09-04 04:16:25 AM  
Muslims gonna Muslim, yo
Recently a mosque in Denmark openly stated its support for ISIS:
http://www.thelocal.dk/20140902/danish-mosque-express-support-for-is is

When everything and everyone is equal, you must tolerate the people that want you and your people wiped off the planet.
 
2014-09-04 04:22:00 AM  

Slaxl: So he's an extremist who sympathises with the terrorists and makes vague comments that imply he knows about terrorist cells.

Arrest the piece of sputum.


Yes, because arresting people because of their ideology and spouting off about opinion they probably formed from reading crap on the internet is enough to get people arrested. Said white people never about Neo-nazis, the KKK and all their racist offshoots.

Going to cut you a bit of slack because you spelled sympathizes with an "s" so I'm not sure how you all deal with racist scum on your side of the pond. But over here they're protected by "Free Speech" and get to have their little cross burnings and marches without any interference from the cops - usually they're protected.
 
2014-09-04 04:24:43 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Slaxl: So he's an extremist who sympathises with the terrorists and makes vague comments that imply he knows about terrorist cells.

Arrest the piece of sputum.

Yes, because arresting people because of their ideology and spouting off about opinion they probably formed from reading crap on the internet is enough to get people arrested. Said white people never about Neo-nazis, the KKK and all their racist offshoots.

Going to cut you a bit of slack because you spelled sympathizes with an "s" so I'm not sure how you all deal with racist scum on your side of the pond. But over here they're protected by "Free Speech" and get to have their little cross burnings and marches without any interference from the cops - usually they're protected.


As far as I know, British laws make it much easier to be held liable for things you say, including slander and speech like that. Not that I think anything will happen to this guy, but it probably could in a technical sense. There is a reason the 1st amendment was such a huge deal
 
2014-09-04 04:31:59 AM  
jchuffyman: I have heard this compared to the experience of the British during WWII. Even if they didn't want to, the British pretty much had to fight Hitler. I doubt Britain would exist as we know it if they didn't. So it was a fight for the survival as a society. And I feel that that is one scenario where you are allowed to kill anyone who is trying to cause that. ISIS is rapidly becoming a society killing force that cannot be reasoned with (if they haven't reached that point yet). So yeah, why pacifism is an OK default position, there realistically needs to be a point where you can justifiably start killing the shiat out of everyone who is trying to kill you.

So let me ask you this: what are the jihadis fighting for if it isn't the survival of their society - the women behind closed doors, sharia law, the whole nine yards? I think their values are shiat, but they have them. And the culture of the west is doing a lot to chip away at that, and has been for decades, with the fun and sex on TV and everything. Not to mention the actual troops on the ground.

Pacifists are admirable because they recognize that it's just taking sides. That once you put your hand in that dirty game, you're stuck with it. There is no way to come out clean.
 
2014-09-04 04:34:39 AM  

adamatari: jchuffyman: I have heard this compared to the experience of the British during WWII. Even if they didn't want to, the British pretty much had to fight Hitler. I doubt Britain would exist as we know it if they didn't. So it was a fight for the survival as a society. And I feel that that is one scenario where you are allowed to kill anyone who is trying to cause that. ISIS is rapidly becoming a society killing force that cannot be reasoned with (if they haven't reached that point yet). So yeah, why pacifism is an OK default position, there realistically needs to be a point where you can justifiably start killing the shiat out of everyone who is trying to kill you.

So let me ask you this: what are the jihadis fighting for if it isn't the survival of their society - the women behind closed doors, sharia law, the whole nine yards? I think their values are shiat, but they have them. And the culture of the west is doing a lot to chip away at that, and has been for decades, with the fun and sex on TV and everything. Not to mention the actual troops on the ground.

Pacifists are admirable because they recognize that it's just taking sides. That once you put your hand in that dirty game, you're stuck with it. There is no way to come out clean.


Except that  for a large majority of ISIS, they are fighting for a society that has never existed for them. They want their version of utopia. Which in certain contexts can be an admirable goal, I think the entire planet has decided that this is not one of those cases. And the systematic slaughter of other groups to achieve it is not really acceptable (anymore).
 
2014-09-04 04:40:29 AM  

jchuffyman: adamatari: jchuffyman: I have heard this compared to the experience of the British during WWII. Even if they didn't want to, the British pretty much had to fight Hitler. I doubt Britain would exist as we know it if they didn't. So it was a fight for the survival as a society. And I feel that that is one scenario where you are allowed to kill anyone who is trying to cause that. ISIS is rapidly becoming a society killing force that cannot be reasoned with (if they haven't reached that point yet). So yeah, why pacifism is an OK default position, there realistically needs to be a point where you can justifiably start killing the shiat out of everyone who is trying to kill you.

So let me ask you this: what are the jihadis fighting for if it isn't the survival of their society - the women behind closed doors, sharia law, the whole nine yards? I think their values are shiat, but they have them. And the culture of the west is doing a lot to chip away at that, and has been for decades, with the fun and sex on TV and everything. Not to mention the actual troops on the ground.

Pacifists are admirable because they recognize that it's just taking sides. That once you put your hand in that dirty game, you're stuck with it. There is no way to come out clean.

Except that  for a large majority of ISIS, they are fighting for a society that has never existed for them. They want their version of utopia. Which in certain contexts can be an admirable goal, I think the entire planet has decided that this is not one of those cases. And the systematic slaughter of other groups to achieve it is not really acceptable (anymore).


And just to add one more thought. A defensive war to save your society is an entirely different thing from an offensive war to create one.
 
2014-09-04 04:43:45 AM  

adamatari: On the beheadings.


The money quote from that article:

there's really nothing very irrational or surprising about these beheading videos.  IS was on a roll, overrunning lightly armed Peshmerga and village militias, before the US ruined everything by authorizing drones and airstrikes. It must have been damned annoying, being an IS fighter, bouncing over the plains in your Toyota Hilux, as the terrified Iraqi Army forces vanished ahead of you in a cloud of panicky dust. Quite a rush for the mix of AQI survivors and European-Muslim war tourists who fill IS's ranks.

And then all of a sudden, you go from the dashing light-armor knights of the Iraqi plain to the biggest, most vulnerable targets imaginable-thin-skinned vehicles crawling over a completely flat, treeless plain while the drones buzz overhead, armed with Hellfire missiles, just waiting for authorization from a desk jockey in suburban Virginia before they release a weapon designed to destroy much bigger, tougher, Soviet tanks. Suddenly, you, with your Sunni Lawrence of Arabia war-tourist dreams, are nothing but a bug getting zapped by an automated pest-control device.

It's insulting. And the kind of young men who join IS are romantics, of a sort. They might not mind dying in the abstract-most guys don't, at that age, until they find out what it feels like to get shot in the stomach-but they hate the idea of dying in such an unchivalrous way.

So, they take their revenge the best way they can: With a video camera, a hostage, and a short, sharp knife
 
2014-09-04 04:44:10 AM  

adamatari: jchuffyman: I have heard this compared to the experience of the British during WWII. Even if they didn't want to, the British pretty much had to fight Hitler. I doubt Britain would exist as we know it if they didn't. So it was a fight for the survival as a society. And I feel that that is one scenario where you are allowed to kill anyone who is trying to cause that. ISIS is rapidly becoming a society killing force that cannot be reasoned with (if they haven't reached that point yet). So yeah, why pacifism is an OK default position, there realistically needs to be a point where you can justifiably start killing the shiat out of everyone who is trying to kill you.

So let me ask you this: what are the jihadis fighting for if it isn't the survival of their society - the women behind closed doors, sharia law, the whole nine yards? I think their values are shiat, but they have them. And the culture of the west is doing a lot to chip away at that, and has been for decades, with the fun and sex on TV and everything. Not to mention the actual troops on the ground.

Pacifists are admirable because they recognize that it's just taking sides. That once you put your hand in that dirty game, you're stuck with it. There is no way to come out clean.


They're not fighting for the survival of their society, they're fighting for a society that never existed, that never could exist, but they seem to believe that with sufficient brutality, they can create it. Even the caliphates were never as extreme as ISIL. Certainly there's been no state that extreme, other than the short-lived Taliban Afghanistan, in centuries. They're fighting for an ideal which never existed before the 1940s. There is no defense of their actions. They are despicable. Their forces need to be crushed and their ideology wiped out.
 
2014-09-04 04:57:47 AM  
When you start shiat like beheading journalists, I would like to know step 2. Say step 2 was they somehow created another unstable region that supported their beliefs, then what? You think you can just say, "My bad, yo," but seriously, we need some humanitarian aid, and we would like to trade. How about no? You are god damn children that should have been aborted with your distorted utopian dream. I have to say, I have never wanted to kill anyone, but I think I may enjoy putting a few ventilation ducts into some of these asses.
 
2014-09-04 05:16:11 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: When you start shiat like beheading journalists, I would like to know step 2.


There is no step 2, the executions are essentially a tantrum - "Everything was going our way for a while there but now we're losing, so lets murder a few journalists while ranting about how unfair it is that we're being bombed". It's absolutely the worst thing they could have done for themselves long-term..
 
2014-09-04 05:46:05 AM  

blackartemis: quatchi: Ambivalence: doyner: Dude.  Unless you die in jihad those 72 virgins aren't going to fark you.

Technically, is there anything saying those 72 virgins will fark you even if you do die of jihad?  You just "get" them, but if you fark them they won't be virgins anymore and that would be wrong.  maybe you just get to watch them dance and let them feed you dates and fan you with palm fronds, but no touching allowed.

There's no sex in Allah's champagne room?

it's Islam, more like no champagne in Allah's sex room.


If there is no booze how can they even call it heaven?
 
2014-09-04 05:49:42 AM  

Bonzo_1116: What is Britain doing that generates these attention-whoring extremist twits?


Two words: Multi. Culturalism.

/Which is actually "Hey, let's not enforce our agreed-upon laws on certain people because of their religion. I'm sure their own Laws are just as good. I mean, any system designed by a woman (in this case, one named Shari) has to be a good one!"
 
2014-09-04 05:54:45 AM  
I'm thinking that Small's view of the world was assisted by a few too many blows to the head. Maybe the Boxing board of control can help in some way such as buying the moron a one way trip to Syria where he can commit atrocities with all the other jihadist basket cases out there.
 
2014-09-04 05:54:58 AM  
RT commenters will still blame the Jews and the West for everything.

Oh, MTV, you, me, Fark, the wheel,  I can't believe you take RT seriously.

It used to be a good place to learn Russian, now it's a good place to see how bad things are in Russia.
One of my "sponsors" for a visa to Russia is so farked up with the propaganda, I can't stand to talk to her now. I tossed a J-1 "kid" back home because of this idiocy. Ever had State Department show up at work? Usually once every 2-3 years. Now it's 2-3 times a season because of the RT  You think Fox and MSNBC are farked up...

Putin Channel. And he went over the top.
 
2014-09-04 05:56:23 AM  

IlGreven: Bonzo_1116: What is Britain doing that generates these attention-whoring extremist twits?

Two words: Multi. Culturalism.

/Which is actually "Hey, let's not enforce our agreed-upon laws on certain people because of their religion. I'm sure their own Laws are just as good. I mean, any system designed by a woman (in this case, one named Shari) has to be a good one!"


I think it's more an entrenched class system and strong anti-immigrant sentiment which leads to Muslims feeling marginalized and oppressed.
 
2014-09-04 06:02:49 AM  
I have odd metaphysical beliefs, and I try my damnedest to be respectful of all beliefs, but I find my respect for a religion that requires women to dress like beekeepers or A.I.M. Members a bit lacking.
 
2014-09-04 06:11:41 AM  

adamatari: I have to admire pacifists, they are willing to die rather than add to the slaughter.


Pacifism only works when it's up against a regime capable of being shamed into doing the right thing.

We only know Gandhi's name because he went up against the British. Had he gone up against the Nazis, the Soviets, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Mugabe, Saddam, the Taliban, Pinochet, Idi Amin, Castro, Gadhafi, East Germany...you're getting the idea, right?...he's a nameless corpse in a mass grave, having accomplished jack shiat.
 
2014-09-04 06:32:16 AM  
Rezurok:
That doesn't sound like any kind of heaven for me!  I'd take the 72 sexually promiscuous yet mostly std free women option any day.

I'll take fifteen slags.

Or two girls from Knowle West.
 
2014-09-04 06:46:36 AM  
Just what is ex-boxing?
 
2014-09-04 06:46:37 AM  
 
2014-09-04 06:50:30 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Yes, because arresting people because of their ideology and spouting off about opinion they probably formed from reading crap on the internet is enough to get people arrested. Said white people never about Neo-nazis, the KKK and all their racist offshoots.


Yeah because black people are always calling for Louis Farrakhan to be arrested.

Some guy in the UK says some stuff that could be construed as hate speech or support for a terrorist groupunder their laws and you cry about racism in the US? Grow the fark up.


Gulper Eel: We only know Gandhi's name because he went up against the British. Had he gone up against the Nazis, the Soviets, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceausescu, Mugabe, Saddam, the Taliban, Pinochet, Idi Amin, Castro, Gadhafi, East Germany...you're getting the idea, right?...he's a nameless corpse in a mass grave, having accomplished jack shiat


This.


NobleHam: I think it's more an entrenched class system and strong anti-immigrant sentiment which leads to Muslims feeling marginalized and oppressed


The UK and France have better upward mobility than the US.
 
2014-09-04 06:52:55 AM  
In the video uploaded to YouTube, he said, "We have to be objective and non-biased, that the beheading of James Foley, Mr Beheaded infidel, not to be disrespectful to him or his family, I can't remember his name, Mr Infidel, it wasn't unprovoked."

/Oh go fark yourself sideways ..what an incredible asshole this tool is. Go back to nursing your punch drunk head, nobody cares what you think ...ass.
 
2014-09-04 07:18:32 AM  
Interesting. I'm glad he posted the video. Now I know what he and his circle think.
 
2014-09-04 07:19:42 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Muslims gonna Muslim, yo
Recently a mosque in Denmark openly stated its support for ISIS:
http://www.thelocal.dk/20140902/danish-mosque-express-support-for-is is

When everything and everyone is equal, you must tolerate the people that want you and your people wiped off the planet.


If western society is so aborhent, get the fark out, and go back to whatever shiathole you escaped.
Seems to me that might.be a better course of action instead of trying to turn the west into just such a shiathole.
 
2014-09-04 07:21:42 AM  

NobleHam: adamatari: jchuffyman: I have heard this compared to the experience of the British during WWII. Even if they didn't want to, the British pretty much had to fight Hitler. I doubt Britain would exist as we know it if they didn't. So it was a fight for the survival as a society. And I feel that that is one scenario where you are allowed to kill anyone who is trying to cause that. ISIS is rapidly becoming a society killing force that cannot be reasoned with (if they haven't reached that point yet). So yeah, why pacifism is an OK default position, there realistically needs to be a point where you can justifiably start killing the shiat out of everyone who is trying to kill you.

So let me ask you this: what are the jihadis fighting for if it isn't the survival of their society - the women behind closed doors, sharia law, the whole nine yards? I think their values are shiat, but they have them. And the culture of the west is doing a lot to chip away at that, and has been for decades, with the fun and sex on TV and everything. Not to mention the actual troops on the ground.

Pacifists are admirable because they recognize that it's just taking sides. That once you put your hand in that dirty game, you're stuck with it. There is no way to come out clean.

They're not fighting for the survival of their society, they're fighting for a society that never existed, that never could exist, but they seem to believe that with sufficient brutality, they can create it. Even the caliphates were never as extreme as ISIL. Certainly there's been no state that extreme, other than the short-lived Taliban Afghanistan, in centuries. They're fighting for an ideal which never existed before the 1940s. There is no defense of their actions. They are despicable. Their forces need to be crushed and their ideology wiped out.


I feel exactly the same way about conservatives in America. Evangelicals who've taken Jesus out of Christianity, tea baggers, Fox watchers, libertarians and especially those who support The War on Drugs, Stop and Frisk, Border Vigilantes, and the overall violence towards people of color

Their ideology taken too far has consequences and doesn't help anyone, not even white people in the long run. Their ideology is one of starvation, violence and an absence of humanity that is every bit as dangerous as ISIL if given full run of this country.
 
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