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2014-09-04 02:16:26 AM  
Probably for the best. Less chance they'll do something the cop doesn't like and wind up getting shot.
 
2014-09-04 03:01:44 AM  
Taking reports over the phone does not equate to asking victims to investigate their own crimes. On a busy night it makes no sense to make someone wait a few hours to report a stolen vehicle in person. It delays the vehicle being entered in the computer system, and if a cop happens to run the plate during that time he won't know it's stolen. Asking a victim to check Craigslist to see if his stolen stuff is being sold makes perfect sense. The victim will recognize his stuff. Asking a victim to check around with his neighbors to see if anybody saw anything suspicious while his house was being burglarized makes sense too.

It all comes down to utilizing resources in the most efficient way possible.
 
2014-09-04 03:13:47 AM  
I'm all for making the police less relevant.
 
2014-09-04 03:15:08 AM  
What's a "Mystic Meg"?
 
2014-09-04 03:18:25 AM  
Can't they just google it themselves?
 
2014-09-04 03:19:21 AM  
But the police still get to keep their military-grade weaponry, right? Because that's some fun shiat right there.
 
2014-09-04 03:25:31 AM  
Can legally sanctioned vigilantes be far behind?

God, I hope not.
 
2014-09-04 03:26:55 AM  
Story is about UK, was waiting for 'jackbooted American thug police' crowd to show up. Took one post...was expecting it to take at least 3.
 
2014-09-04 03:33:43 AM  
Yep. I never even got a phone call back from the Portland police after I filed a report for my stolen truck. 6 years later they sent me a letter asking if I had found the truck. They were going through their files and noticed there was never any resolution of my case. The letter asked me to respond within 30 days.
 
2014-09-04 03:33:59 AM  

Kalashinator: What's a "Mystic Meg"?


meganandtimmy.com
 
2014-09-04 03:35:48 AM  
statici.behindthevoiceactors.com
 
2014-09-04 03:40:20 AM  
It starts small.  Having to check your own bags.  Ringing up your items in the self-checkout lane.  Then one day you have to investigate the break-in at your own house and you go, "Wait a minute. I already have a job and it sure isn't this.  Aren't I already paying someone else to do this?"
 
2014-09-04 03:52:39 AM  

TheMega: Kalashinator: What's a "Mystic Meg"?

[meganandtimmy.com image 800x449]


Someone had to do it :) Thanks, that'd have been a biatch on mobile
 
2014-09-04 03:52:47 AM  
We had some asshat throw paint all over the outside of our clinic. We had the guy on video. Cops came and took the report, but my boss was noticing the guy had a bunch of a particular brand of clothing. He called the store at our local mall and spoke with the manager. He ended up sending pics of the guy to the manager, and sure enough, was an ex-employee. We called the cops, gave them all the info, and we still haven't heard anything. So maybe we have to go and do the arresting too?
 
2014-09-04 03:58:05 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Probably for the best. Less chance they'll do something the cop doesn't like and wind up getting shot.


AverageAmericanGuy: But the police still get to keep their military-grade weaponry, right? Because that's some fun shiat right there.


At least two people in this thread did not RTFA. Or even look at the link logo.
 
2014-09-04 04:00:52 AM  

stirfrybry: Yep. I never even got a phone call back from the Portland police after I filed a report for my stolen truck. 6 years later they sent me a letter asking if I had found the truck. They were going through their files and noticed there was never any resolution of my case. The letter asked me to respond within 30 days.


Buddy of mine who I worked with at the Powell Blockbuster Video actually watched from inside the store one day as someone pulled up in a truck and stole the custom muffler off his Beetle. Copied down their license plate number, called the cops and was told there was nothing they could do about it because it was under a certain dollar value.
 
2014-09-04 04:04:11 AM  

haolegirl: We had some asshat throw paint all over the outside of our clinic. We had the guy on video. Cops came and took the report, but my boss was noticing the guy had a bunch of a particular brand of clothing. He called the store at our local mall and spoke with the manager. He ended up sending pics of the guy to the manager, and sure enough, was an ex-employee. We called the cops, gave them all the info, and we still haven't heard anything. So maybe we have to go and do the arresting too?


No, just wait for the bill from graffiti busters, then they will close the case
 
2014-09-04 04:09:02 AM  

fusillade762: Peter von Nostrand: Probably for the best. Less chance they'll do something the cop doesn't like and wind up getting shot.

AverageAmericanGuy: But the police still get to keep their military-grade weaponry, right? Because that's some fun shiat right there.

At least two people in this thread did not RTFA. Or even look at the link logo.


Do you think they don't have swat teams in the UK?
 
2014-09-04 04:09:04 AM  

haolegirl: We had some asshat throw paint all over the outside of our clinic. We had the guy on video. Cops came and took the report, but my boss was noticing the guy had a bunch of a particular brand of clothing. He called the store at our local mall and spoke with the manager. He ended up sending pics of the guy to the manager, and sure enough, was an ex-employee. We called the cops, gave them all the info, and we still haven't heard anything. So maybe we have to go and do the arresting too?


Citizens arrest! Citizens arrest!

knoji.com
 
2014-09-04 04:10:12 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Taking reports over the phone does not equate to asking victims to investigate their own crimes. On a busy night it makes no sense to make someone wait a few hours to report a stolen vehicle in person. It delays the vehicle being entered in the computer system, and if a cop happens to run the plate during that time he won't know it's stolen. Asking a victim to check Craigslist to see if his stolen stuff is being sold makes perfect sense. The victim will recognize his stuff. Asking a victim to check around with his neighbors to see if anybody saw anything suspicious while his house was being burglarized makes sense too.

It all comes down to utilizing resources in the most efficient way possible.


Good post.  Never thought I would say that, but excellent.
 
2014-09-04 04:10:27 AM  
Unless you are a celebrity in which case unauthorized access to a computer system becomes more important then child molesters rapists murderers and terrorists
 
2014-09-04 04:15:16 AM  
Graffiti Busters, never heard of them.
 
2014-09-04 04:15:41 AM  
Submitter left off the word English before police.
 
2014-09-04 04:20:47 AM  

Kalashinator: What's a "Mystic Meg"?


Mystic Megis a British astrologer and psychic. She has a column in the Sun and used to also write for that bastion of quality journalism, News of the World.
 
2014-09-04 04:22:28 AM  

haolegirl: Graffiti Busters, never heard of them.


that's what the crew here is called, if the city issues a warning regarding tagging and otherwise unsightly crap on the side of your building and the building owner doesn't do anything about it the city sends out painters and bills the owner
 
2014-09-04 04:26:02 AM  
fusillade762: Buddy of mine who I worked with at the Powell Blockbuster Video actually watched from inside the store one day as someone pulled up in a truck and stole the custom muffler off his Beetle. Copied down their license plate number, called the cops and was told there was nothing they could do about it because it was under a certain dollar value.

We had our building broken into (Pearl district) repeatedly a few years ago. Bikes stolen, cars in the garage broken into, storage unit doors pried open. After each of the first 2 break-ins, we would find bits of the security system disabled or tampered with to make future break-ins easier. After the 3rd, we actually found a letter - with the "INSPECTED - INVERNESS JAIL" stamp on it, with the name of a bad guy, personal details... everything. It was shoved as a shim into one of the magnetic locks in a (failed) attempt to keep it from making contact.

Called the cops. PPB sent this ramrod straight idiot who looked like some Aryan Cop recruiting poster and acted totally aloof the whole time. We explained the multiple break-ins (which he had never bothered to look up on the $32 Million Computer Aided Dispatch/Records system), the whole situation we were in and he acted like he just couldn't be bothered. Took him to the door where the letter was found, and he was one yawn away from making it plainly obvious that a serial burglar who had done about $30k in damage was just beneath his policing level. He totally ignored the letter. Gave us a report number and called it closed.

One of the cars broken into belonged to a new KGW news producer, who had heard about other buildings in the area going through the same thing. He produced a quick news segment and had it shot in front of our building. Next day, PPB has a sergeant from the robbery detail call our property management company. They sent the forensics truck out. They did 4-5 nights of undercover monitoring of our area, including a detail staked out in the garages. Finally caught the guy a week later when his face was captured on a hidden camera in a storage unit (he was otherwise a stone cold pro at avoiding all the cameras these buildings have). Sure enough, we found out that the guy was the cell mate of the dude the letter was addressed to.

Cops are basically useless unless the crime is violent, happened very recently and there is obvious evidence pointing to the bad guy. As the strength of those variables goes down, the amount of effort the cops will expend decreases exponentially. On some level, it makes sense - only expend resources on the highest probability of clearances and/or where the violence is high. On the other hand, the cops just blow manpower and funding unnecessarily all the time.
 
2014-09-04 04:30:46 AM  
If someone is filming me during my investigation I can confiscate all of their electronic devices and erase any storage medium and have an attitude while doing so, right?
If not then forget it.
 
2014-09-04 04:41:12 AM  

MacWizard: Kalashinator: What's a "Mystic Meg"?

Mystic Megis a British astrologer and psychic. She has a column in the Sun and used to also write for that bastion of quality journalism, News of the World.


She also used to predict who would win the lottery. Great stuff.
 
2014-09-04 05:09:58 AM  

jm105: It starts small.  Having to check your own bags.  Ringing up your items in the self-checkout lane.  Then one day you have to investigate the break-in at your own house and you go, "Wait a minute. I already have a job and it sure isn't this.  Aren't I already paying someone else to do this?"


I agree, but beware the "agency effect" aka "principal agency problem".

Too many people are punch-clock monkeys. Why should they care about your stuff getting stolen?
 
2014-09-04 05:15:13 AM  
That's why I say get some subcontracted cops from a couple of these 3rd world countries. They'l do the job maybe better, and cheaper, with the appropriate oversight. Have them spend a couple years here to learn how it works, or doesn't. Plus, less in the way of pensions, health care, etc. Just take a look at big corprate support, the move toward offshoring and nearshoring. Sure, there are hurdles to overcome.Say for instance where I used to work, thecompany bought many of the apartment buildings adjacent to the property, used them for domiciles for H1B workers. You can adopt many of these practices.
My brother in law, a retired cop, doesn't like it when I talk like that. Can't refute it cogently though.
 
2014-09-04 05:38:26 AM  

dr-shotgun: Cops are basically useless unless the crime is violent, happened very recently and there is obvious evidence pointing to the bad guy. As the strength of those variables goes down, the amount of effort the cops will expend decreases exponentially. On some level, it makes sense - only expend resources on the highest probability of clearances and/or where the violence is high. On the other hand, the cops just blow manpower and funding unnecessarily all the time.


The highlighted part of your post is the most accurate. Police agencies, being government entities, have diminishing resources. You can't expect them to investigate every broken window, it's just not feasible. You also have to understand how police departments work - the beat cop doesn't investigate crimes, he usually just takes a report and it gets assigned to a detective or special unit and they do the follow-up investigations. Again, they can only investigate a small number of the crimes that occur.

In my agency we have "solvability factors" that determine if a case is investigated. If there are not enough leads to follow, the case doesn't get assigned although it does get tracked to see if it's part of a pattern. We have a special unit that investigates pattern crimes, and they're very good at it. Unfortunately they may catch a guy that's been doing, for example, business burglaries, and they know he's good for 30 or 40 cases, but they can only prove 5. So a bunch of burglaries go in the unsolved file even though they know who did it.

When you think of "cops," you always think of the guys in uniform. However, they are only a small part of most police departments. You don't see the guys investigating crimes or doing surveillance, but they're out there catching bad guys every day.
 
2014-09-04 05:38:55 AM  
Fine.

Have it your way.

img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-09-04 05:40:01 AM  

Destructor: Fine.

Have it your way.

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 683x1024]


Way too much bat dick.
 
2014-09-04 05:49:20 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Probably for the best. Less chance they'll do something the cop doesn't like and wind up getting shot.


It's the UK, victims of crime (and their dogs) don't have to worry about this.
 
2014-09-04 05:50:32 AM  

CruiserTwelve: It all comes down to utilizing resources in the most efficient way possible.


I bet they measure that efficiency in dogs needlessly murdered per week.

/or maybe they need more time to taze all those minorities and poor people.
 
2014-09-04 05:52:18 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: Destructor: Fine.

Have it your way.

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 683x1024]

Way too much bat dick.


Do you think Batman has Bat Condoms?  Are they Bat flavored or just Bat lubricated?  I bet Bat ribbed would hurt...
 
2014-09-04 05:53:16 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: Destructor: Fine.

Have it your way.

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 683x1024]

Way too much bat dick.


No such thing. Just keep the bat-nipples locked up.
 
2014-09-04 05:54:34 AM  

FullMetalPanda: Do you think Batman has Bat Condoms? Are they Bat flavored or just Bat lubricated? I bet Bat ribbed would hurt...


He's not the hero we need. He's the hero we deserve.
 
2014-09-04 06:11:26 AM  

MacWizard: Kalashinator: What's a "Mystic Meg"?

Mystic Megis a British astrologer and psychic. She has a column in the Sun and used to also write for that bastion of quality journalism, News of the World.


Ahhh ok. I had psychic and/or TV show character in mind. Thanks.
 
2014-09-04 06:27:38 AM  
Too busy with speed traps and ticket quotas, doing revenue work, shooting unarmed people, grenading babies, killing neighborhood dogs, etc to actually investigate crime. The true leeches and welfare queens of America: cops.
 
2014-09-04 06:30:18 AM  

chitownmike: fusillade762: Peter von Nostrand: Probably for the best. Less chance they'll do something the cop doesn't like and wind up getting shot.

AverageAmericanGuy: But the police still get to keep their military-grade weaponry, right? Because that's some fun shiat right there.

At least two people in this thread did not RTFA. Or even look at the link logo.

Do you think they don't have swat teams in the UK?


SCO19, the Armed Police.  Shooting people in the head since 1829.
 
2014-09-04 06:52:51 AM  

fusillade762: stirfrybry: Yep. I never even got a phone call back from the Portland police after I filed a report for my stolen truck. 6 years later they sent me a letter asking if I had found the truck. They were going through their files and noticed there was never any resolution of my case. The letter asked me to respond within 30 days.

Buddy of mine who I worked with at the Powell Blockbuster Video actually watched from inside the store one day as someone pulled up in a truck and stole the custom muffler off his Beetle. Copied down their license plate number, called the cops and was told there was nothing they could do about it because it was under a certain dollar value.


Funny thing is, tell them you saw someone crack an ATM and get a couple hundred bucks and those guys will be shot in no time!
 
2014-09-04 06:57:08 AM  
"The watchdog warned that some offences, such as criminal damage or stolen vehicles, are on the verge of being decriminalised by police forces which had given up investigating them."

This is nothing new, police have never investigated minor crimes like this. They take a report and if they happen to stumble upon something in the course of their other duties they'll take action then. What does this moron expect, the police to stop everything and do a city wide search every time a car is stolen?
 
2014-09-04 07:01:16 AM  

jm105: It starts small.  Having to check your own bags.  Ringing up your items in the self-checkout lane.  Then one day you have to investigate the break-in at your own house and you go, "Wait a minute. I already have a job and it sure isn't this.  Aren't I already paying someone else to do this?"


I resist the self checkout lane for this very reason; it gives people ideas about how much of their jobs they can foist off on me.
 
2014-09-04 07:03:28 AM  

bingo the psych-o: Peter von Nostrand: Probably for the best. Less chance they'll do something the cop doesn't like and wind up getting shot.

It's the UK, victims of crime (and their dogs) don't have to worry about this.


But their sheep...
 
2014-09-04 07:19:08 AM  

Daer21: Story is about UK, was waiting for 'jackbooted American thug police' crowd to show up. Took one post...was expecting it to take at least 3.


I've been burgled twice in 30 years and both times I was told point blank they don't investigate those kinds of things. And to let them know if I find the guy.
 
2014-09-04 07:21:19 AM  

Rixel: [statici.behindthevoiceactors.com image 130x148]


Leaving satisfied....

/reporting the storyline for one frame
 
2014-09-04 07:35:08 AM  
Oh the UK? Makes sense. They're busying making sure people clean the leaves off their sidewalks and citing people for having pointy headed garden gnomes because someone may get hurt.
 
2014-09-04 07:38:41 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Police agencies, being government entities, have diminishing resources. You can't expect them to investigate every broken window, it's just not feasible. You also have to understand how police departments work - the beat cop doesn't investigate crimes, he usually just takes a report and it gets assigned to a detective or special unit and they do the follow-up investigations. Again, they can only investigate a small number of the crimes that occur.


But that doesn't explain away all the cases where the cops have a case handed to them, evidence and all, and still refuse to do anything. There are examples right here in this very thread:

haolegirl
2014-09-04 03:52:47 AM
We had some asshat throw paint all over the outside of our clinic. We had the guy on video. Cops came and took the report, but my boss was noticing the guy had a bunch of a particular brand of clothing. He called the store at our local mall and spoke with the manager. He ended up sending pics of the guy to the manager, and sure enough, was an ex-employee. We called the cops, gave them all the info, and we still haven't heard anything. So maybe we have to go and do the arresting too?

fusillade762
2014-09-04 04:00:52 AM
Buddy of mine who I worked with at the Powell Blockbuster Video actually watched from inside the store one day as someone pulled up in a truck and stole the custom muffler off his Beetle. Copied down their license plate number, called the cops and was told there was nothing they could do about it...


dr-shotgun
2014-09-04 04:26:02 AM
We had our building broken into (Pearl district) repeatedly a few years ago. Bikes stolen, cars in the garage broken into, storage unit doors pried open. After each of the first 2 break-ins, we would find bits of the security system disabled or tampered with to make future break-ins easier. After the 3rd, we actually found a letter - with the "INSPECTED - INVERNESS JAIL" stamp on it, with the name of a bad guy, personal details... everything....
Called the cops. PPB sent this ramrod straight idiot who l... acted like he just couldn't be bothered. Took him to the door where the letter was found, and he was one yawn away from making it plainly obvious that a serial burglar who had done about $30k in damage was just beneath his policing level. He totally ignored the letter. Gave us a report number and called it closed.

.
 
2014-09-04 07:47:10 AM  

chitownmike: fusillade762: Peter von Nostrand: Probably for the best. Less chance they'll do something the cop doesn't like and wind up getting shot.

AverageAmericanGuy: But the police still get to keep their military-grade weaponry, right? Because that's some fun shiat right there.

At least two people in this thread did not RTFA. Or even look at the link logo.

Do you think they don't have swat teams in the UK?


Sure we have armed response units.

They get called if a suspect is thought to have a gun.

Which is almost never.

It sure sucks to live in a country where I can't look forward to my dog getting shot.
 
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