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2014-09-03 08:07:45 PM  
Man has more soul than any American teabagger.
 
2014-09-03 08:33:16 PM  
Perhaps it is too much to hope for that ISIS could unify the Iraqi people against them.  If this is even a remote possibility, it would be wrong for the US to intervene too directly and remove that chance.
 
2014-09-03 08:37:14 PM  
Their opinions are probably more common than not.  Yet, the only voices that seem to come to get any play in the media (either Faux News, Lost Airplane News, etc.) are angry, irrational wackadoodles.
 
2014-09-03 08:42:10 PM  
They are all People of the Book, and worship the same god. Different messages, but they are still their countrymen. Some folks seem to forget that.

These asshats are going to burn every damn bridge, and then scream and wail that there is no one left to defend them and theirs. It's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of asshats who are using faith as an excuse, and that doesn't quite work out as well as folks think that it will...
 
2014-09-03 08:59:28 PM  
Iraq needs to hurry the f*ck up and get a functional government in place before it's too late

/we need someone to work with
 
2014-09-03 09:00:17 PM  
If Iraq never recovers from the US invasion, it is Obama's fault.

If careful measured support and influence in Iraq allows it to pull together as a country, it is proof that Bush/Cheney made the right call on the war to begin with.
 
2014-09-03 09:08:05 PM  

Prey4reign: Their opinions are probably more common than not.  Yet, the only voices that seem to come to get any play in the media (either Faux News, Lost Airplane News, etc.) are angry, irrational wackadoodles.


THIS.
 
2014-09-03 09:53:46 PM  

mrshowrules: If Iraq never recovers from the US invasion, it is Obama's fault.

If careful measured support and influence in Iraq allows it to pull together as a country, it is proof that Bush/Cheney made the right call on the war to begin with.


I read your profile and I can see how you'd believe that.  If Iraq never recovers from the US invasion, it might be partially Obama's fault.  But, nothing short of discovering the WMDs the world was told Iraq was preparing to deploy and use (which never happened), there is nothing that justifies the clusterfark that Bush and Cheney were responsible for orchestrating.
 
2014-09-03 10:01:40 PM  
I tire of those who want the US military to prosecute their Crusade for them.

Fight it yourself.
 
2014-09-03 10:04:14 PM  

Prey4reign: mrshowrules: If Iraq never recovers from the US invasion, it is Obama's fault.

If careful measured support and influence in Iraq allows it to pull together as a country, it is proof that Bush/Cheney made the right call on the war to begin with.

I read your profile and I can see how you'd believe that.  If Iraq never recovers from the US invasion, it might be partially Obama's fault.  But, nothing short of discovering the WMDs the world was told Iraq was preparing to deploy and use (which never happened), there is nothing that justifies the clusterfark that Bush and Cheney were responsible for orchestrating.


Your sarcasm meter is broken and/or Poe's Law is in effect.  Obama is wrong/bad no matter what.  Anything remotely positive happens based on Obama's sound leadership will be ignored or taken as a vindication of the original Bush/Cheney clusterfark.
 
2014-09-03 10:06:26 PM  

vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.


Damn. Its a shame. I'm trying to recall the last time I saw a Christian on American TV standing up for Muslims being targeted by extremist wackos. I'm sure its out there--I just can't recall it. I'm also impressed MEMRI released this. MEMRI is pretty stridently right-wing, exclusivist and Zionist in orientation. And they've been criticized for selectively translating extremists for Western media consumption while ignoring mainstream views. John Bolton, Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz and Steven Emerson on the Board of Directors. I wonder who slipped up and let a humanizing video of Iraqis out like this.
 
2014-09-03 10:43:57 PM  

mrshowrules: Perhaps it is too much to hope for that ISIS could unify the Iraqi people against them.  If this is even a remote possibility, it would be wrong for the US to intervene too directly and remove that chance.


The little data we have indicates that if you're a Sunni Arab in ISIS territory, you think it's pretty sweet. They won hearts and minds like we never did.
 
2014-09-03 10:46:28 PM  
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What up with that, Fark?
 
2014-09-03 10:47:10 PM  

vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.


Or 'Back nine' Obama
 
2014-09-03 10:47:57 PM  
We can't even win the hearts and minds of the people in this country.
 
2014-09-03 10:49:15 PM  
ISIS actually seems to be the one thing that has finally woken up mainstream Islam and got it to start fighting back (why suicide bombers, terrorists, vile oppressions etc didnt do so is another question).

Islamic people and states worldwide are shiat scared of ISIS and what it is doing/might do, and its possible effects on the relationship of Islamic communities all over the world with everyone else.
 
2014-09-03 10:51:45 PM  
Fundamentalism and conservative culture and religious belief is the true evil in the world. It has nothing to do with how you choose to worship. One of the 3  ways to worship the same god, a different god, gods, or no god. It doesn't matter as long as you keep in mind that humanity is the one thing we all share.
 
2014-09-03 10:57:24 PM  

Somacandra: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Damn. Its a shame. I'm trying to recall the last time I saw a Christian on American TV standing up for Muslims being targeted by extremist wackos. I'm sure its out there--I just can't recall it. I'm also impressed MEMRI released this. MEMRI is pretty stridently right-wing, exclusivist and Zionist in orientation. And they've been criticized for selectively translating extremists for Western media consumption while ignoring mainstream views. John Bolton, Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz and Steven Emerson on the Board of Directors. I wonder who slipped up and let a humanizing video of Iraqis out like this.


not that Christians are held in high regard by most folks here on fark.
 
2014-09-03 11:02:40 PM  

jchuffyman: Fundamentalism and conservative culture and religious belief is the true evil in the world. It has nothing to do with how you choose to worship. One of the 3  ways to worship the same god, a different god, gods, or no god. It doesn't matter as long as you keep in mind that humanity is the one thing we all share.


Reza Aslan does a good job in showing how Fundamentalism in all three of The People of the Book has kept a lot of folks dying, a lot of money being moved, and a lot of misery and power shifting.

www.zocalopublicsquare.org

It remains relevant today as it was five years ago. It details the rise of Fundamentalists in Christian, Jewish, and Muslim circles, and likewise shows similarities between all of these radicals who use their faith as a bludgeon, and explores part of the reasons for their popularity. When you feel that God is on your side, no matter what, negotiation just doesn't seem all that viable, and that is exactly the sort of drive that we need to confront. Escalation, that only feeds into the persecution and the NEED to be special flowers holding back the Godless tide...
 
2014-09-03 11:03:49 PM  

Nemo's Brother: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Or 'Back nine' Obama


What fresh, original, relevant, and serious criticism.

Do one about the Dijon mustard next.
 
2014-09-03 11:03:54 PM  

hubiestubert: They are all People of the Book, and worship the same god. Different messages, but they are still their countrymen. Some folks seem to forget that.


IIRC, it's even mandated in Islam to treat them properly.  Sure, in Shariah law, they're dhimmis; but Muslims aren't supposed to treat them like shiat.

IIRC, that is.  That, of course, puts ISIS squarely at odds with Islam on this point.

/preaching to the choir over here
 
2014-09-03 11:07:01 PM  

Somacandra: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Damn. Its a shame. I'm trying to recall the last time I saw a Christian on American TV standing up for Muslims being targeted by extremist wackos. I'm sure its out there--I just can't recall it. I'm also impressed MEMRI released this. MEMRI is pretty stridently right-wing, exclusivist and Zionist in orientation. And they've been criticized for selectively translating extremists for Western media consumption while ignoring mainstream views. John Bolton, Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz and Steven Emerson on the Board of Directors. I wonder who slipped up and let a humanizing video of Iraqis out like this.


Perhaps you slept through the Serbian recreation camps set up for Bosnian Muslims -- and the extraordinary invitation by Israel to take those Muslims in as refugees. A few American TV commentators mentioned it.
 
2014-09-03 11:09:34 PM  

bullwrinkle: Somacandra: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Damn. Its a shame. I'm trying to recall the last time I saw a Christian on American TV standing up for Muslims being targeted by extremist wackos. I'm sure its out there--I just can't recall it. I'm also impressed MEMRI released this. MEMRI is pretty stridently right-wing, exclusivist and Zionist in orientation. And they've been criticized for selectively translating extremists for Western media consumption while ignoring mainstream views. John Bolton, Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz and Steven Emerson on the Board of Directors. I wonder who slipped up and let a humanizing video of Iraqis out like this.

not that Christians are held in high regard by most folks here on fark.


Depends on the Christians. The ones who look to grab headlines by being vocal asshats who advocate violence, ignorance, and stripping others of rights...that's not about them being Christian, that's about them being asshats. That they look to shed blame for odious statements and policies because Jesus, that earns them scorn, because it twists the teachings of that Nazarene rabbi into something absolutely against the very teachings of said rabbi. Fark is hard on hypocrites. Be they Muslim, be they Jewish, be they Christian, be they Buddhist, be they atheist, be they gamers, be they secretaries or teachers, reporters or Congresscritters. The hypocrisy is what earns the scorn, not necessarily the faith. There are certainly those who conflate faith and horrible actions, but likewise, that earns a fair amount of derision as well. Fark is not kind to asshats. Their faith or profession, that's just context.
 
2014-09-03 11:10:46 PM  

elchip: Nemo's Brother: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Or 'Back nine' Obama

What fresh, original, relevant, and serious criticism.

Do one about the Dijon mustard next.


Then "57 states" for an encore to bring the house down.

On Topic?

Was not expecting the rose metaphor, that was nice to see.

Also, they have poets on their daytime talk shows? How come we never get poets?
 
2014-09-03 11:11:40 PM  

hubiestubert: bullwrinkle: Somacandra: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Damn. Its a shame. I'm trying to recall the last time I saw a Christian on American TV standing up for Muslims being targeted by extremist wackos. I'm sure its out there--I just can't recall it. I'm also impressed MEMRI released this. MEMRI is pretty stridently right-wing, exclusivist and Zionist in orientation. And they've been criticized for selectively translating extremists for Western media consumption while ignoring mainstream views. John Bolton, Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz and Steven Emerson on the Board of Directors. I wonder who slipped up and let a humanizing video of Iraqis out like this.

not that Christians are held in high regard by most folks here on fark.

Depends on the Christians. The ones who look to grab headlines by being vocal asshats who advocate violence, ignorance, and stripping others of rights...that's not about them being Christian, that's about them being asshats. That they look to shed blame for odious statements and policies because Jesus, that earns them scorn, because it twists the teachings of that Nazarene rabbi into something absolutely against the very teachings of said rabbi. Fark is hard on hypocrites. Be they Muslim, be they Jewish, be they Christian, be they Buddhist, be they atheist, be they gamers, be they secretaries or teachers, reporters or Congresscritters. The hypocrisy is what earns the scorn, not necessarily the faith. There are certainly those who conflate faith and horrible actions, but likewise, that earns a fair amount of derision as well. Fark is not kind to asshats. Their faith or profession, that's just context.


Christianity done right (in Fark opinion) is usually fine around here as far as I know. I haven't seen many people hating on Pope Francis around here with the possible exception of the pedophile question.
 
2014-09-03 11:16:38 PM  

Nemo's Brother: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Or 'Back nine' Obama


Hehe, now watch this drive!
 
2014-09-03 11:19:10 PM  

Somacandra: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Damn. Its a shame. I'm trying to recall the last time I saw a Christian on American TV standing up for Muslims being targeted by extremist wackos. I'm sure its out there--I just can't recall it. I'm also impressed MEMRI released this. MEMRI is pretty stridently right-wing, exclusivist and Zionist in orientation. And they've been criticized for selectively translating extremists for Western media consumption while ignoring mainstream views. John Bolton, Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz and Steven Emerson on the Board of Directors. I wonder who slipped up and let a humanizing video of Iraqis out like this.


Simple answer for why they let it out: they're trying to use it as a springboard to push for a full-on ground war in Iraq.
 
2014-09-03 11:19:39 PM  
Always pretending to be persecuted
 
2014-09-03 11:20:13 PM  

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What up with that, Fark?


Apparently, some wants you to do some learnin'

I only made it a few seconds in before the player froze. And that crying dude made me think of Sheik Yerbouti.

/I may be totally wrong
//but I'm a dancin' fooooool
///Broken hearts are for assholes was track 3
 
2014-09-03 11:20:49 PM  

gaspode: Islamic people and states worldwide are shiat scared of ISIS and what it is doing/might do,


Well if you are too violent for AQ then that would unnerve most...
 
2014-09-03 11:25:37 PM  

Prey4reign: Their opinions are probably more common than not.  Yet, the only voices that seem to come to get any play in the media (either Faux News, Lost Airplane News, etc.) are angry, irrational wackadoodles.


To be fair, the angry irrational whackadoodles are the only ones getting play on my Facebook feed.

Anecdotally speaking, of the people I've seen express an opinion on the subject there's been a bizarre dichotomy of "We should 2A the empty-soot in cheif and than put down these animels!!!!"  and   "Oh geez, not this shiat again."
 
2014-09-03 11:25:52 PM  

colon_pow: Always pretending to be persecuted


Who?

Republicans in general? Fundamentalist Christians in the US? White people oppressed by the "real racists"?

Be specific, man!
 
2014-09-03 11:26:00 PM  

vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.


Way to bring partisan politics into it.

And there is plenty of Muslim outrage against ISIS. Particularly Shia, but plenty of Sunni, too.
 
2014-09-03 11:28:44 PM  

machoprogrammer: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Way to bring partisan politics into it.

And there is plenty of Muslim outrage against ISIS. Particularly Shia, but plenty of Sunni, too.


Well, to be fair, Tea Party Republicans are scum so ...
 
2014-09-03 11:29:00 PM  

sugardave: Nemo's Brother: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Or 'Back nine' Obama

Hehe, now watch this drive!


And the Duggers are fine except for the clown car thing.
 
2014-09-03 11:32:48 PM  
Total off topic rant:

I have been thinking of what Obama should do for a strategy to "confront" ISIS as everyone in the media keeps asking for.  I thought up the following high level points in the shower this morning.

1)  Establish the "Fist of the West" in the semi-autonomous Kurdish region.  "The Fist of the West" will be at least as large as the military bases we had in Germany during the Cold War.  Mega billions, surface to surface missiles, huge air defense grid, heavy bombers, armored fighting vehicles, the works.

2)  Force some kind of deal between PKK and Turkey so we can get our Sea-Land bridge to Kurdistan through Turkey.

3)  Use the "First of the West" as a cooling rod in the cauldron of the Islamist reformation going on for the next 40 years (the 30 years war in Germany took that long, and we should be prepared for that kind of commitment). We bomb where we see massacres and minority slaughter.

4)  Establish a fast track to citizenship for the various persecuted minorities (if you have family in USA, you get citizenship where you are a refugee; service as a translator/infantry gets you and your family citizenship).

5)  Institute a war tax to pay for the costs associated with the next 40 years of war with Islamists.
 
2014-09-03 11:33:07 PM  
Seems like the guy is legit, and has actual feelings of empathy for persecuted Christians there. I'm guessing that if they "the bad guys" see this, this guy's head is going to be on a spike soon. These people need to clean up their own backyard. If more Americans get beheaded, Obama is going to have to step up bombings, and perhaps even a new land war...sighs. I don't know the answer to this continuing problem, but I'm sure there are moderate Islamic folk that just want to live in peace and let others do the same, regardless of their religious beliefs. I have 0 problem with anyone's religion. Pray how you want, pray to who you want, whatever. It's when they use this as an excuse to murder innocent people "and not just Americans" but people from any walk of life, kidnap, extort, rape, and all the other things these criminals do in the name of "Allah" that is when i have a issue, and wish to see them taken to task, and destroyed. The more they do for attention, and money, the sooner the countries will band together and exterminate them.
 
2014-09-03 11:33:19 PM  
That was nice. That man understands the true meaning of religion.
 
2014-09-03 11:34:08 PM  

JavierLobo: Total off topic rant:

I have been thinking of what Obama should do for a strategy to "confront" ISIS as everyone in the media keeps asking for.  I thought up the following high level points in the shower this morning.

1)  Establish the "Fist of the West" in the semi-autonomous Kurdish region.  "The Fist of the West" will be at least as large as the military bases we had in Germany during the Cold War.  Mega billions, surface to surface missiles, huge air defense grid, heavy bombers, armored fighting vehicles, the works.

2)  Force some kind of deal between PKK and Turkey so we can get our Sea-Land bridge to Kurdistan through Turkey.

3)  Use the "First of the West" as a cooling rod in the cauldron of the Islamist reformation going on for the next 40 years (the 30 years war in Germany took that long, and we should be prepared for that kind of commitment). We bomb where we see massacres and minority slaughter.

4)  Establish a fast track to citizenship for the various persecuted minorities (if you have family in USA, you get citizenship where you are a refugee; service as a translator/infantry gets you and your family citizenship).

5)  Institute a war tax to pay for the costs associated with the next 40 years of war with Islamists.


I think you had the attention of the right wing until you pointed out that we would have to pay for it.
 
2014-09-03 11:37:25 PM  
The Islamic State (formerly of Iraq and al-Sham, but now claiming dominion over the whole Muslim world) is at war with the Kurdish Peshmerga, Iraqi Army, Free Syrian Army, and Assad's forces, along with some smaller militias that have formed just to fight those assholes.  All of these groups (excepting some of the militias - given that people tend to fight back when being slaughtered for their religion) are predominately Muslim.  Some are predominately Sunni Muslim, the sect said state is claiming to uphold.

I'd think that would qualify as Muslim outrage.  These guys on TV aren't alone.
 
2014-09-03 11:39:53 PM  

BitwiseShift: Somacandra: vudukungfu: Man has more soul than any American teabagger.

Damn. Its a shame. I'm trying to recall the last time I saw a Christian on American TV standing up for Muslims being targeted by extremist wackos. I'm sure its out there--I just can't recall it. I'm also impressed MEMRI released this. MEMRI is pretty stridently right-wing, exclusivist and Zionist in orientation. And they've been criticized for selectively translating extremists for Western media consumption while ignoring mainstream views. John Bolton, Ehud Barak, Norman Podhoretz and Steven Emerson on the Board of Directors. I wonder who slipped up and let a humanizing video of Iraqis out like this.

Perhaps you slept through the Serbian recreation camps set up for Bosnian Muslims -- and the extraordinary invitation by Israel to take those Muslims in as refugees. A few American TV commentators mentioned it.


No, it just doesn't fit their agenda
 
2014-09-03 11:41:30 PM  

birdboy2000: The Islamic State (formerly of Iraq and al-Sham, but now claiming dominion over the whole Muslim world) is at war with the Kurdish Peshmerga, Iraqi Army, Free Syrian Army, and Assad's forces, along with some smaller militias that have formed just to fight those assholes.  All of these groups (excepting some of the militias - given that people tend to fight back when being slaughtered for their religion) are predominately Muslim.  Some are predominately Sunni Muslim, the sect said state is claiming to uphold.

I'd think that would qualify as Muslim outrage.  These guys on TV aren't alone.


The type of people who normally ask "Why aren't Muslims outraged over this terrorist group?" never really care or seem to know that Muslims are the ones who deal with the negative effects of those groups more than anyone else. It isn't news to rest of us.
 
2014-09-03 11:42:12 PM  

jchuffyman: JavierLobo: Total off topic rant:

I have been thinking of what Obama should do for a strategy to "confront" ISIS as everyone in the media keeps asking for.  I thought up the following high level points in the shower this morning.

1)  Establish the "Fist of the West" in the semi-autonomous Kurdish region.  "The Fist of the West" will be at least as large as the military bases we had in Germany during the Cold War.  Mega billions, surface to surface missiles, huge air defense grid, heavy bombers, armored fighting vehicles, the works.

2)  Force some kind of deal between PKK and Turkey so we can get our Sea-Land bridge to Kurdistan through Turkey.

3)  Use the "First of the West" as a cooling rod in the cauldron of the Islamist reformation going on for the next 40 years (the 30 years war in Germany took that long, and we should be prepared for that kind of commitment). We bomb where we see massacres and minority slaughter.

4)  Establish a fast track to citizenship for the various persecuted minorities (if you have family in USA, you get citizenship where you are a refugee; service as a translator/infantry gets you and your family citizenship).

5)  Institute a war tax to pay for the costs associated with the next 40 years of war with Islamists.

I think you had the attention of the right wing until you pointed out that we would have to pay for it.


The mission won't be like the 2003 Iraq war.  We aren't there to make new states.  We are there to intervene when the slaughter gets to 17th century levels.
 
2014-09-03 11:44:01 PM  

JavierLobo: jchuffyman: JavierLobo: Total off topic rant:

I have been thinking of what Obama should do for a strategy to "confront" ISIS as everyone in the media keeps asking for.  I thought up the following high level points in the shower this morning.

1)  Establish the "Fist of the West" in the semi-autonomous Kurdish region.  "The Fist of the West" will be at least as large as the military bases we had in Germany during the Cold War.  Mega billions, surface to surface missiles, huge air defense grid, heavy bombers, armored fighting vehicles, the works.

2)  Force some kind of deal between PKK and Turkey so we can get our Sea-Land bridge to Kurdistan through Turkey.

3)  Use the "First of the West" as a cooling rod in the cauldron of the Islamist reformation going on for the next 40 years (the 30 years war in Germany took that long, and we should be prepared for that kind of commitment). We bomb where we see massacres and minority slaughter.

4)  Establish a fast track to citizenship for the various persecuted minorities (if you have family in USA, you get citizenship where you are a refugee; service as a translator/infantry gets you and your family citizenship).

5)  Institute a war tax to pay for the costs associated with the next 40 years of war with Islamists.

I think you had the attention of the right wing until you pointed out that we would have to pay for it.

The mission won't be like the 2003 Iraq war.  We aren't there to make new states.  We are there to intervene when the slaughter gets to 17th century levels.


Oh, I understood what you meant. I just envisioned someone nodding along until they got to point 5. They do hate those taxes.
 
2014-09-03 11:47:14 PM  
Maybe the video is genuine.  I doubt it.  It's more likely propaganda aimed at American viewers.

Iraq wants us to intervene militarily against ISIS, so that they won't have to do the heavy fighting themselves.

Obama has refrained so far, waiting until he can guarantee that the regional powers (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran) are the leaders in the anti-IS initiative.
 
2014-09-03 11:49:11 PM  

Captain Dan: Maybe the video is genuine.  I doubt it.  It's more likely propaganda aimed at American viewers.

Iraq wants us to intervene militarily against ISIS, so that they won't have to do the heavy fighting themselves.

Obama has refrained so far, waiting until he can guarantee that the regional powers (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran) are the leaders in the anti-IS initiative.


The group that translated and released this is normally very conservative and very, very pro Israel. I doubt they would have any reason to release this if it were not real.
 
2014-09-03 11:51:30 PM  

jchuffyman: JavierLobo: jchuffyman: JavierLobo: Total off topic rant:

[snip]

The mission won't be like the 2003 Iraq war.  We aren't there to make new states.  We are there to intervene when the slaughter gets to 17th century levels.

Oh, I understood what you meant. I just envisioned someone nodding along until they got to point 5. They do hate those taxes.


Yeah.  It would take some leadership to sell point 5.  Everybody likes the military till they have to pay.  Which is why I say the most patriotic day of the year for the non-serving 99% of America is April 15th.
 
2014-09-03 11:54:09 PM  

jchuffyman: The group that translated and released this is normally very conservative and very, very pro Israel. I doubt they would have any reason to release this if it were not real.


Their interests align in this case.  Groups that are "conservative" and "pro-Israel" also overwhelmingly support an aggressive U.S. military presence in the Middle East (read: war).
 
2014-09-03 11:57:25 PM  

Captain Dan: jchuffyman: The group that translated and released this is normally very conservative and very, very pro Israel. I doubt they would have any reason to release this if it were not real.

Their interests align in this case.  Groups that are "conservative" and "pro-Israel" also overwhelmingly support an aggressive U.S. military presence in the Middle East (read: war).


If you say so. But the show truly had one day of blatantly different views for our benefit, or this show was not getting any support from the Iraqi people. I think we would see a debunking. That is one of the great things of the Internet, it is easy to find the bullshiat propaganda. Russia hasn't figured that out and look how the Internet is completely farking their narrative. So I wouldn't be so cynical just yet.
 
2014-09-03 11:59:34 PM  

mrshowrules: Perhaps it is too much to hope for that ISIS could unify the Iraqi people against them.  If this is even a remote possibility, it would be wrong for the US to intervene too directly and remove that chance.


It actually pretty much has.
 
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