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2014-09-03 01:44:31 AM  
Japan's a country where you're not even free to make a turn on a red light. How are they going to know how to handle the freedom of roundabouts?
 
2014-09-03 02:20:06 AM  
There are a few roundabouts in the DFW area, nut they're thankfully buried in residential areas.
 
2014-09-03 06:24:54 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Japan's a country where you're not even free to make a turn on a red light. How are they going to know how to handle the freedom of roundabouts?


That may be true, but they seem to think they have the freedom to ignore red lights:
"Hey, the light's just gone red"
"Meh, we can still get another 3 cars through"

/see it all the time here
 
2014-09-03 06:52:35 AM  
A roundabout is a section of one way road that happens to loop back on itself. Follow the normal driving rules that you use everywhere else. No special rules apply at a roundabout, apart from the convention of which way the one way road happens to flow (which can be established by painting big arrows on the road surface where roundabouts are not common enough that everyone knows).
 
2014-09-03 07:03:14 AM  
Towards the end of a trip to LA and Vegas last year, still adapting to the rigours of driving on the left side of the vehicle, on the right side of the road (I'm Australian), I was cruising back to Venice Beach from Santa Monica when I stumbled across a roundabout at the Post Office.

We have plenty of roundabouts in Australia, and I'd like to think I've got a pretty good handle on them, but when you get the whole thing presented to you in mirror image...wow.

Fortunately there was a car in front, so I just followed them through.
 
2014-09-03 07:13:52 AM  
Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.
 
2014-09-03 07:22:30 AM  

xria: A roundabout is a section of one way road that happens to loop back on itself. Follow the normal driving rules that you use everywhere else. No special rules apply at a roundabout, apart from the convention of which way the one way road happens to flow (which can be established by painting big arrows on the road surface where roundabouts are not common enough that everyone knows).



§ 33.2-706. (Effective October 1, 2010) Criminal laws defining murder, armed robbery, and jaywalking are suspended within the confines of a roundabout, as defined by the outer radius of the travelled surface, excluding any curb and/or gutter.
 
2014-09-03 07:23:23 AM  

MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington,


Traffic lights? On a roundabout? Wussies.

www.bbc.co.uk
 
2014-09-03 07:24:46 AM  
They built a roundabout in our town, just a tiny one leading to a new elementary school.  The locals were absolutely outraged by the concept and packed city hall planning meetings to talk about how they would never understand them, how they'd drive across town just to avoid one, etc.  The whole discussion was hilarious, because the underlying sentiment was "don't do this, because we're too stupid or paranoid (or both) to learn something new."
 
2014-09-03 07:25:37 AM  

MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.


That sounds like it defeats the purpose of a roundabout.  On NY-85, there is a roundabout between Albany and Slingerlands that I always mess up by going into the wrong lane, but that may be because I hardly ever use that particular road.
 
2014-09-03 07:29:51 AM  

47 is the new 42: MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.

That sounds like it defeats the purpose of a roundabout.  On NY-85, there is a roundabout between Albany and Slingerlands that I always mess up by going into the wrong lane, but that may be because I hardly ever use that particular road.


Agreed.  They put one in at Glens Falls to *REPLACE* a traffic light, and it was a big improvement  You didn't get traffic blocking the intersection anymore when the light changed, gumming up the entire intersection so that nothing moved.  But they can be overdone (I'm looking at you, Exit 12 of the Northway).
 
2014-09-03 07:32:27 AM  

MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.


I dunno.  The Maryland roundabouts...
Never mind, that's the Maryland drivers that are the problem there.
/They drive like the state sold the DMV franchise to KMart.
 
2014-09-03 07:45:05 AM  

Kerr Avon: MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington,

Traffic lights? On a roundabout? Wussies.

[www.bbc.co.uk image 470x180]


I f*cking hate Swindon.

/Attended RMCS Cranfield for 1 year
//Dormed at Prince's House
///Swindon Town FC sucks too
 
2014-09-03 07:45:40 AM  

Laobaojun: MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.

I dunno.  The Maryland roundabouts...
Never mind, that's the Maryland drivers that are the problem there.
/They drive like the state sold the DMV franchise to KMart.


Yet MD drivers are still 1,000x better than Northern PA drivers.
 
2014-09-03 07:46:19 AM  
As an American living in Australia I've come to love roundabouts.  The rules are simple to understand, they keep traffic flowing, and as a result you get better gas mileage and get where you're going faster.

But the inability to turn right on red at proper intersections does bother me.
 
2014-09-03 07:47:05 AM  
Roundabouts are great. At least they're great when they're signed well.
 
2014-09-03 07:48:32 AM  
Roundabouts are great, but i'm not surprised people with no prior experience with them have problems with them. I'm strongly in favour of all immigrants to Britain having to retake their driving tests just because of the amount of craziness I've seen on roundabouts alone. My favourite one was when an Indian guy in a beat up old car went the wrong way across a roundabout, cutting right in front of me... on my driving test. I do think new people need to be tested on roundabout theory. Otherwise it's dangerous.
 
2014-09-03 07:49:19 AM  

ChubbyTiger: Roundabouts are great.


Slaxl: Roundabouts are great,


If only I hadn't written everything else, it would have been a great simulpost.
 
2014-09-03 07:52:58 AM  
Look kids! Big Ben! Parliament!
 
2014-09-03 07:57:55 AM  
We have rotaries here in Massachusetts. Same rules as the UK, but mirror-image flow, of course. New Jersey, where I grew up, has circles.  All the same thing, except the seriously screwed up rules in New Jersey.  There, in many cirlces, a large enough road entering the cirlce has the priority.  So, folks in the circle yield to entering traffic from a state highway, but have the right of way over folks entering from minor roads.  It's insane.  The one with which I'm most familiar is where Rte 35 hits County Road 524/Atlantic Ave.
 
2014-09-03 07:59:55 AM  

juvandy: As an American living in Australia I've come to love roundabouts.  The rules are simple to understand, they keep traffic flowing, and as a result you get better gas mileage and get where you're going faster.

But the inability to turn right on red at proper intersections does bother me.


Bothers you more than the Melbourne hook turn?
 
2014-09-03 08:09:39 AM  
I'm from NJ, and I grew up with traffic circles.

Interestingly, though, a lot of the classic NJ circles are being ripped up and re-routed.
 
2014-09-03 08:09:40 AM  

wildcardjack: There are a few roundabouts in the DFW area, nut they're thankfully buried in residential areas.


Actually there's one in Ft. Worth where 183 and 377 meet, haven't been through there in years but at one point the traffic in the roundabout had to stop for the traffic entering. It was a very screwed up way to go about it.
 
2014-09-03 08:13:30 AM  
The best is when you see a car cut over three lanes of traffic to make its exit instead of, you know, just going 'roundabout another time and being in the right position next time.

Farkin' self-centered morons, I tells ya.
 
2014-09-03 08:13:35 AM  
they recently started putting theese in where i live in the last 5 years apparently to "cut down on speeders" but what they didnt count on was people just drifting around them lol what a waste of money
 
2014-09-03 08:17:30 AM  
A basic, classic roundabout is dead simple to understand. They aren't as common in most of Canada as they are in the UK, although they are becoming more common, and I had never come across one other than the residential sort that don't really count, until I was in my late 20's. No one had to tell me anything special, it was bleedingly obvious how it worked.
 
2014-09-03 08:17:44 AM  

Slaxl: Roundabouts are great, but i'm not surprised people with no prior experience with them have problems with them. I'm strongly in favour of all immigrants to Britain having to retake their driving tests just because of the amount of craziness I've seen on roundabouts alone. My favourite one was when an Indian guy in a beat up old car went the wrong way across a roundabout, cutting right in front of me... on my driving test. I do think new people need to be tested on roundabout theory. Otherwise it's dangerous.


If you are talking about a mini roundabout, just a white circle painted on the road, then going "the wrong way" when turning right is perfectly normal, you don't need to actually go round the painted circle, you can just cross across it, and your right of way still applies if there was a car coming from your left or in front of you.

Look at this one
upix.me
You'd really struggle to go the "correct" way round that if you were turning right. No, just turn right even though it mean going to the right of the circle.
 
2014-09-03 08:38:29 AM  

Slaxl: Roundabouts are great, but i'm not surprised people with no prior experience with them have problems with them. I'm strongly in favour of all immigrants to Britain having to retake their driving tests just because of the amount of craziness I've seen on roundabouts alone. My favourite one was when an Indian guy in a beat up old car went the wrong way across a roundabout, cutting right in front of me... on my driving test. I do think new people need to be tested on roundabout theory. Otherwise it's dangerous.


Depends on where they've come from.

If they come from the EU or Ireland, then they can drive on their existing license.

From Andorra, Australia, Barbados, British Virgin Islands, Canada, Falkland Islands, Faroe Islands, Hong Kong, Japan, Monaco, New Zealand, Republic of Korea, Singapore, South Africa, Switzerland, Zimbabwe, Gibraltar, Jersey, Guernsey or the Isle of Man, you need to exchange you existing license within 12 months for a UK one.

From anywhere else in the world, you can drive on your existing license for upto 12 months, but then you need to take the full driving test.
 
2014-09-03 08:39:09 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Slaxl: Roundabouts are great, but i'm not surprised people with no prior experience with them have problems with them. I'm strongly in favour of all immigrants to Britain having to retake their driving tests just because of the amount of craziness I've seen on roundabouts alone. My favourite one was when an Indian guy in a beat up old car went the wrong way across a roundabout, cutting right in front of me... on my driving test. I do think new people need to be tested on roundabout theory. Otherwise it's dangerous.

If you are talking about a mini roundabout, just a white circle painted on the road, then going "the wrong way" when turning right is perfectly normal, you don't need to actually go round the painted circle, you can just cross across it, and your right of way still applies if there was a car coming from your left or in front of you.

Look at this one
[Link][upix.me image 850x637]
You'd really struggle to go the "correct" way round that if you were turning right. No, just turn right even though it mean going to the right of the circle.


Forget bombs and airplanes... you could bring down America with those.
 
2014-09-03 08:41:47 AM  

LucklessWonder: Laobaojun: MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.

I dunno.  The Maryland roundabouts...
Never mind, that's the Maryland drivers that are the problem there.
/They drive like the state sold the DMV franchise to KMart.

Yet MD drivers are still 1,000x better than Northern PA drivers.



And everyone drives better than the Japanese, even the Indians*.


*Slurpee, not casino.
 
2014-09-03 08:44:37 AM  

LucklessWonder: Yet MD drivers are still 1,000x better than Northern PA drivers.


Bad experience? You are probably the first person I've seen complain about Pennsylvania drivers. The usual suspects are Maryland, New Jersey, Florida, Asian, and the other type that is against the rules to mention here nowadays in terms of poor driving skills.
 
2014-09-03 08:48:14 AM  

wildcardjack: There are a few roundabouts in the DFW area, nut they're thankfully buried in residential areas.


There's a small one in the Korean shopping center by H-Mart off of Trinity Mills.
 
2014-09-03 09:10:22 AM  
Back in 2004, we did a driving tour of England. By the 3rd roundabout, we'd gotten the hang of it. The Japanese will figure it out.
 
2014-09-03 09:12:51 AM  

MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.


Everything about that defeats the purpose of a roundabout...Bureaucrats must have thought of that one.
 
2014-09-03 09:18:22 AM  
I love roundabouts.  They've added a number of roundabouts near me and traffic flows soooo much better.

That being said, the first year or so people had a hard time with them.  People will adjust eventually.
 
2014-09-03 09:26:25 AM  

No Catchy Nickname: AverageAmericanGuy: Japan's a country where you're not even free to make a turn on a red light. How are they going to know how to handle the freedom of roundabouts?

That may be true, but they seem to think they have the freedom to ignore red lights:
"Hey, the light's just gone red"
"Meh, we can still get another 3 cars through"

/see it all the time here


The rule of the road where I lived was, 'if there's asphalt on it, it's fair game'.

Took me a few months after coming back to Canada to re-learn that the pained lines were more than suggestions.
 
2014-09-03 09:27:21 AM  

Hospitaller: MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.

Everything about that defeats the purpose of a roundabout...Bureaucrats must have thought of that one.


Washington DC, where every congressman thinks running the city is like running the nation.
 
2014-09-03 09:27:41 AM  
When properly designed roundabouts are the safest and most efficient form of intersection, with many inherent built in features that speed traffic flow and reduce the risk of accidents and mitigates the seriousness of accidents when they occur.

That said...

MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.


DC roundabouts were apparently designed by someone who didn't understand how roundabouts work and hated all road users.
 
2014-09-03 09:28:26 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: I'm from NJ, and I grew up with traffic circles.

Interestingly, though, a lot of the classic NJ circles are being ripped up and re-routed.


R.I.P. Somerville circle.
 
2014-09-03 09:33:26 AM  

a_burlap_sack_of_kittens: they recently started putting theese in where i live in the last 5 years apparently to "cut down on speeders" but what they didnt count on was people just drifting around them lol what a waste of money


That would be a weird reason to put in a roundabout - they can be used to speed up the flow of traffic, especially in low to moderate traffic areas, decrease fuel use (as you don't have to come to a complete stop and wait for lights as often compared to traffic lights, especially if all approaches to the roundabout have good visibility to see approaching traffic), etc. I can't think of any logic of how they would cut down on speeders - I guess they might reduce accidents on a road where speeders regularly run red lights at a traffic lighted intersection, as the other drivers joining the roundabout might notice the oncoming speeder when looking to see if the road is clear which they might assume was the case when the lights are in their favor, but that doesn't seem like a good solution to the problem even if it did help slightly
 
2014-09-03 09:34:31 AM  
I LOATHED roundabouts when I was first introduced to them, by way of the one in front of the Jackson (MS) airport.

Then they put a big one in over in Madison/Ridgeland, and I realized they are amazing. The problem is that the one in front of the airport is about 1/3 the size it should be -- and it was the first one in the Jackson metro area so nobody had any idea WTF. Though the airport one has gotten much better since the other one went in, because people understand the concept better.

But yeah, they're confounding when you're first introduced to them. Easy enough to grasp if someone spends about five minutes explaining it, but most people don't want to spend five minutes listening.
 
2014-09-03 09:40:15 AM  

MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.


Just spent the week staying right there. biatch to even walk there.
 
2014-09-03 09:45:17 AM  

xria: I can't think of any logic of how they would cut down on speeders - I guess they might reduce accidents on a road where speeders regularly run red lights at a traffic lighted intersection, as the other drivers joining the roundabout might notice the oncoming speeder when looking to see if the road is clear which they might assume was the case when the lights are in their favor, but that doesn't seem like a good solution to the problem even if it did help slightly


Excluding spot roundabouts (See Flint's post above) you have to make fairly tight turns to go around or across one that generally force people to either slow down or crash..
 
2014-09-03 09:46:42 AM  

Laobaojun: DjangoStonereaver: I'm from NJ, and I grew up with traffic circles.

Interestingly, though, a lot of the classic NJ circles are being ripped up and re-routed.

R.I.P. Somerville circle.


The one I miss is the old Route 18/Route 27 circle in New Brunswick that was renknowned as the most
complex circle in NJ.  It was wiped out in the late 70s, when they built the new J&J HQ and bulldozed a
quarter of the downtown area.
 
2014-09-03 10:00:16 AM  

Target Builder: xria: I can't think of any logic of how they would cut down on speeders - I guess they might reduce accidents on a road where speeders regularly run red lights at a traffic lighted intersection, as the other drivers joining the roundabout might notice the oncoming speeder when looking to see if the road is clear which they might assume was the case when the lights are in their favor, but that doesn't seem like a good solution to the problem even if it did help slightly

Excluding spot roundabouts (See Flint's post above) you have to make fairly tight turns to go around or across one that generally force people to either slow down or crash..


Concerning the Swindon Magic Roundabout pictured above, Wikipedia says:

In 2005, it was voted the worst roundabout in a survey by a UK insurance company. In September 2007, the Magic Roundabout was named as one of the World's Worst Junctions by a UK motoring magazine. In December 2007, BBC News reported a survey identifying The Magic Roundabout as one of the "10 Scariest Junctions in the United Kingdom"; however, the roundabout provides a better throughput of traffic than other designs and has an excellent safety record, since traffic moves too slowly to do serious damage in the event of a collision.
 
2014-09-03 10:09:33 AM  
Driving home late at night is when roundabouts become awesome. It's like a series of mini chicanes that you don't have to stop for.

Then you come back to the US and drive home late at night and face endless traffic lights with nobody on the roads, or endless 4 way stops.


Give me roundabouts or give me death!
 
2014-09-03 10:11:34 AM  
Also like "WTF Massachusetts."  There's STILL people who go the wrong way on them here.
 
2014-09-03 10:28:53 AM  

Target Builder: When properly designed roundabouts are the safest and most efficient form of intersection, with many inherent built in features that speed traffic flow and reduce the risk of accidents and mitigates the seriousness of accidents when they occur.

That said...

MrBallou: Worst roundabout on the planet:

DuPont Circle, Washington, D.C. - 8 major streets and 2 minor ones; an inner and an outer circle; STOP LIGHTS at every junction for the entering cars and the cars in the circle; with pedestrian crossings complete with "walk-don't walk" lights at very street.

Traffic crawls, when it moves at all.

DC roundabouts were apparently designed by someone who didn't understand how roundabouts work and hated all road users.


To be fair, DC roundabouts were not originally designed as roundabouts. L'Enfant designed the city with a rectangular grid plus diagonal streets. The major  junctions were often set up as circles or squares with a tiny park and a statue in the center.

In the early 1800's, traffic flow was not really an issue.
 
2014-09-03 10:53:46 AM  

ReapTheChaos: wildcardjack: There are a few roundabouts in the DFW area, nut they're thankfully buried in residential areas.

Actually there's one in Ft. Worth where 183 and 377 meet, haven't been through there in years but at one point the traffic in the roundabout had to stop for the traffic entering. It was a very screwed up way to go about it.


Slipped my mind, even though I went through there Saturday. But it's a convergence of five roads, and has a decent diameter.
 
2014-09-03 11:07:16 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Slaxl: Roundabouts are great, but i'm not surprised people with no prior experience with them have problems with them. I'm strongly in favour of all immigrants to Britain having to retake their driving tests just because of the amount of craziness I've seen on roundabouts alone. My favourite one was when an Indian guy in a beat up old car went the wrong way across a roundabout, cutting right in front of me... on my driving test. I do think new people need to be tested on roundabout theory. Otherwise it's dangerous.

If you are talking about a mini roundabout, just a white circle painted on the road, then going "the wrong way" when turning right is perfectly normal, you don't need to actually go round the painted circle, you can just cross across it, and your right of way still applies if there was a car coming from your left or in front of you.

Look at this one
[upix.me image 850x637]
You'd really struggle to go the "correct" way round that if you were turning right. No, just turn right even though it mean going to the right of the circle.


We have lots of mini roundabouts in the UK. Work very well unless one road is obviously bigger than the other, when traffic on the bigger road just charges through.

The one I found difficult is the US four-way stop. Felt like gunfight at the OK coral when you approach with another driver.

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