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2014-09-02 04:39:32 PM  
Things don't need to have a "point", they just exist.

The faster you deal with this, the happier you'll be.
 
2014-09-02 04:46:22 PM  
Nothing has any meaning beyond what you yourself attach to it.

I don't see any need to expand it any further than that, either.
 
2014-09-02 05:16:51 PM  
More random than pointless.
 
2014-09-02 05:30:29 PM  
Everything you do in life is insignificant, but it's very important that you do it.  -  Gandhi
 
2014-09-02 05:38:18 PM  
Life has no purpose other than to maintain itself whether that be amoeba or human beings.
 
2014-09-02 05:40:26 PM  

Delawheredad: Life has no purpose other than to maintain itself whether that be amoeba or human beings.


Well, more specifically to replicate itself.
 
2014-09-02 06:25:27 PM  
i.imgur.com

Wishes you'd just be quiet.
 
2014-09-02 06:51:12 PM  
There is a point to it, and a perfectly valid and fascinating one at that. I'm just not going to tell you what it is.
 
2014-09-02 06:53:50 PM  
It's not science's responsibility to soothe your existential crisis.

Anyway, I actually clicked on the link, and wow, NPR will ask anyone to write bullshiat for them huh?
 
2014-09-02 06:54:07 PM  
Also, that article was more pointless than the universe itself.
 
2014-09-02 06:56:34 PM  

nekom: Everything you do in life is insignificant, but it's very important that you do it.  -  Gandhi


Something like that. If you stop to question why exactly you do anything, since it all amounts to pretty much nothing in the end (unless you're Michaelangelo or Einstein or someone), you might find that you've lost your reason to live. And it might be a dumb, made-up reason that gets you through the day, but dammit, think it anyway.
 
2014-09-02 07:00:55 PM  
I kind of liked the line from the last round of Cosmos where de-Grasse Tyson referred to life as the universe's way of understanding itself.

That's about as philosophical as I'm willing to get on the matter, though. From what we can tell, the vast majority of the universe is inanimate and is incapable of having a "point". It makes as much sense to say "why is the universe here?" as it does to say "why is there a rock in my front yard?" It's just there. There doesn't have to be a point. The universe is not beholden to your stupid ontological demands and it's not going to start caring about them no matter how much of your life you waste shouting your opinions at the void.
 
2014-09-02 07:02:57 PM  

cryinoutloud: nekom: Everything you do in life is insignificant, but it's very important that you do it.  -  Gandhi

Something like that. If you stop to question why exactly you do anything, since it all amounts to pretty much nothing in the end (unless you're Michaelangelo or Einstein or someone), you might find that you've lost your reason to live. And it might be a dumb, made-up reason that gets you through the day, but dammit, think it anyway.


Outside of context of human civilization, even Michelangelo and Einstein provide no "point" or meaning.

Doesn't change the fact that right now we are the only thing in the universe known to us that contemplates its existence. In Carl Sagan's words, "We are a way for the universe to know itself.

I think that's pretty cool.
 
2014-09-02 07:16:27 PM  
cryinoutloud:
Something like that. If you stop to question why exactly you do anything, since it all amounts to pretty much nothing in the end (unless you're Michaelangelo or Einstein or someone), you might find that you've lost your reason to live. And it might be a dumb, made-up reason that gets you through the day, but dammit, think it anyway.

In 50,000 years, if there are humans alive, will anybody remember Michaelangelo or Einstein?  Probably not, but we don't live 50,000 years from now.  We live now and ultimately that's all that matters to any of us.  We all got born into an insane state of being on a ridiculously weird planet that exists against all odds.  Might as well try to enjoy the ride, whether it matters in the end or not (spoiler alert: it doesn't)
 
2014-09-02 07:28:48 PM  
Welcome to Philosophy 102.

Either everything is too general to be relevant or to precise be applicable.

Now get back to telling people that it doesn't matter that you can't pay your tab, it is a categorical imperative that you have another drink.
 
2014-09-02 07:31:45 PM  
I think therefore you are.
 
2014-09-02 07:39:25 PM  
Considering it's all going to reach maximum entropy somewhere in the very, very, very distant future, not a single thing you or I do matters.  And that's after the sun goes asplode.

Eat, drink, be merry, confer a pointless life and inevitable death to your hapless offspring, because why not!
 
2014-09-02 07:43:56 PM  

skozlaw: I kind of liked the line from the last round of Cosmos where de-Grasse Tyson referred to life as the universe's way of understanding itself.

That's about as philosophical as I'm willing to get on the matter, though. From what we can tell, the vast majority of the universe is inanimate and is incapable of having a "point". It makes as much sense to say "why is the universe here?" as it does to say "why is there a rock in my front yard?" It's just there. There doesn't have to be a point. The universe is not beholden to your stupid ontological demands and it's not going to start caring about them no matter how much of your life you waste shouting your opinions at the void.


He shouldn't anthromorphise the universe, it doesn't like it.
 
2014-09-02 07:45:34 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: More random than pointless.


Random and pointless.
 
2014-09-02 07:45:44 PM  
6x9?
 
2014-09-02 07:47:20 PM  
 "The stars are matter, We're matter, But it doesn't matter."

- Captain Beefheart
 
2014-09-02 07:47:47 PM  
That's because the point of the universe is to learn new things, so the more new things that are learned, the less new things there are to learn, so the more pointless the universe becomes the more we learn about it.
 
2014-09-02 07:49:49 PM  
FTA: "My sister, like many Internet users, has a soft spot for puppy porn."

www.cryptozoic.com
 
2014-09-02 07:54:44 PM  
But what do we have to show for it?
Puppies.



... because forging one of the most terrifying pack hunters in the natural world into a dozen different sub-species that can do our work for us, essentially reshaping the natural world into a self-maintaining machine of our own design through sheer force of collective will, is definitely the example to use when you're trying to argue that human efforts are trivial and result in nothing useful.

Yes, I know people take pictures of them and put them on the internet... a device by which we've almost conquered information  itself by creating something into which we can just pour  all of our information to make the process of sorting it into trivial and meaningful more thorough.  So that's a terrible farking example, too.  It's like complaining that some of the layers of petrol in a distillation column are too heavy-key to put in a jet plane.
 
2014-09-02 07:55:26 PM  

LordZorch: Things don't need to have a "point", they just exist.

The faster you deal with this, the happier you'll be.


How does that work exactly?
 
2014-09-02 08:00:23 PM  

yakmans_dad: LordZorch: Things don't need to have a "point", they just exist.

The faster you deal with this, the happier you'll be.

How does that work exactly?


parkinglotconfessional.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-09-02 08:02:31 PM  
Enjoy life they said.
 
2014-09-02 08:12:46 PM  

Theory Of Null: Enjoy life they said.


It would be fun they said
 
2014-09-02 08:13:48 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Theory Of Null: Enjoy life they said.

It would be fun they said


He's just an excitable boy, they all said.
 
2014-09-02 08:16:16 PM  
Why is there something rather then nothing?
 
2014-09-02 08:23:38 PM  
So it's pointless. But it's still endlessly interesting, even without puppy videos. In the time it's taken me to write this the sun has converted millions of tons of matter into energy, which in a few thousand years might keep my descendants warm. Writing this with Swype involves a huge amount of probabilistic inference on language use by a chunk of silicon that only understands high or low voltage. (And it got probabilistic on the first try...). Right now a trillion cells in my body are synthesizing proteins with near perfect accuracy at a speed we can only dream about in a lab.

I couldn't care less if there's a purpose. It's just neat.
 
2014-09-02 08:23:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: More random than pointless.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-09-02 08:25:49 PM  
i think therefore i think, i think?
 
2014-09-02 08:27:54 PM  
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
 
2014-09-02 08:28:42 PM  

Earthworm Jim Jones: Why is there something rather then nothing?


Because if there were nothing, there would be no one to ask "Why is there nothing rather than something?"
 
2014-09-02 08:29:08 PM  
The point of life?

Buddha_holding_flower.jpg

You give meaning to life. Yes, you. A flower is just a flower, we decide if it's pretty, a weed, or to smoke it or whatever.

Ok, here is something religious: the book of Ecclesiastes, purportedly written by Solomon, starts out life is utterly meaningless. In the first two chapters, it states the only meaningful thing, gift from God was eating, drinking wine with your family and friends. Thats it. The wisest man in the good book said to party. After chapter 4, the voice of the text changes and talk about other things.

I think Christians have the last supper of Jesus all wrong, too. Take it Waaaaaaaay to literally. He thought he was going to jail, die, or both. They are drinking wine, eating food. Its a party! They are buzzed up. He says food is his body and wine is his blood, do this in remembrance.

He just told us to keep partying.

They got it all wrong.

The older I get, the more I just want to have a good time.

/not religious, just a reader
//read it all!
 
2014-09-02 08:36:09 PM  
I always enjoy it when an image made for a different Fark thread becomes relevant in another.


i.imgur.com

You don't matter. Nothing does. Try to get over it.
 
2014-09-02 08:36:42 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: So it's pointless. But it's still endlessly interesting, even without puppy videos. In the time it's taken me to write this the sun has converted millions of tons of matter into energy, which in a few thousand years might keep my descendants warm. Writing this with Swype involves a huge amount of probabilistic inference on language use by a chunk of silicon that only understands high or low voltage. (And it got probabilistic on the first try...). Right now a trillion cells in my body are synthesizing proteins with near perfect accuracy at a speed we can only dream about in a lab.

I couldn't care less if there's a purpose. It's just neat.


See, and this is where it goes horribly wrong for me.  One day I realized that the universe is absolutely teeming with awesomely cool stuff --

-- that I'll never get to experience, because I'm stuck in this rotting meatsack on this shiatball rock with 7 billion other whackos, all of us only a few degrees removed from drooling, scratching our heads, and eating the bugs from each others' fur.  Our senses are pitiful, our bodies are feeble, and it all ends far too soon considering all the wonders out there that we'll never get to see.  Yet sometimes it feels like it doesn't end soon enough for how trapped we are inside these little organic prisons we are each given, that need to be fed and clothed and bathed and maintained day after day...

Uhh.  I was going to end this rant on a positive note, but I forgot what it was in the middle of my nihilistic paroxysm.
 
2014-09-02 08:44:35 PM  
"Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere. Everyone's gonna die."

Can't believe I got to post that twice in one day. Or maybe I'm just looking for reasons to post it. What does it meeeeean!?
 
2014-09-02 08:46:36 PM  

maltedmothball: i think therefore i think, i think?


No no no. It's: I think I think, therefore I think I am.

...I think...
 
2014-09-02 08:54:10 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-09-02 08:56:19 PM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Glockenspiel Hero: So it's pointless. But it's still endlessly interesting, even without puppy videos. In the time it's taken me to write this the sun has converted millions of tons of matter into energy, which in a few thousand years might keep my descendants warm. Writing this with Swype involves a huge amount of probabilistic inference on language use by a chunk of silicon that only understands high or low voltage. (And it got probabilistic on the first try...). Right now a trillion cells in my body are synthesizing proteins with near perfect accuracy at a speed we can only dream about in a lab.

I couldn't care less if there's a purpose. It's just neat.

See, and this is where it goes horribly wrong for me.  One day I realized that the universe is absolutely teeming with awesomely cool stuff --

-- that I'll never get to experience, because I'm stuck in this rotting meatsack on this shiatball rock with 7 billion other whackos, all of us only a few degrees removed from drooling, scratching our heads, and eating the bugs from each others' fur.  Our senses are pitiful, our bodies are feeble, and it all ends far too soon considering all the wonders out there that we'll never get to see.  Yet sometimes it feels like it doesn't end soon enough for how trapped we are inside these little organic prisons we are each given, that need to be fed and clothed and bathed and maintained day after day...

Uhh.  I was going to end this rant on a positive note, but I forgot what it was in the middle of my nihilistic paroxysm.


's'ok, pun'kin. We're all meat. Welcome to deadworld. You're in the absolute WORST part of history. You're able to comprehend what you SHOULD have had, while simultaneously understanding what you DID get. You can decide to give all of existence the finger and take advantage of your meat to inflict your angst on others, or you can realize that meat is the best you're going to get, and try to improve meat-space for everyone who comes after you. Nobody will be able to judge you.

Nothing any human does will matter in the long run. Because humans don't get a long run.


You get two choices. Make other people's time better, or make it worse. Your time is not yours to spend.

We all have a philosophy. Mine thinks that 99.9% of you suck, but that the .01% who choose to make existence better make all of it worthwhile.
 
2014-09-02 09:11:45 PM  

PirateKing: 's'ok, pun'kin. We're all meat. Welcome to deadworld. You're in the absolute WORST part of history. You're able to comprehend what you SHOULD have had, while simultaneously understanding what you DID get. You can decide to give all of existence the finger and take advantage of your meat to inflict your angst on others, or you can realize that meat is the best you're going to get, and try to improve meat-space for everyone who comes a ...


Yeah, I get that.  Outside of ranting on Fark I try to be a nice meat.  I think religion is a ginornous delusion, but it makes other meats happy, and I'm kinda jealous of that, and why try to ruin it for them?  No reason not to be at least polite to other meats around me.  They're stuck here too after all.  But quit driving the speed limit in the fast lane, FFS --

Though life was probably easier in some ways when the idea of sky wizards was actually a legitimate way to explain the madness around us.

Eh.

Also, I just noticed there were 42 posts in this thread.  Combo-breaker!
 
2014-09-02 09:12:53 PM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Glockenspiel Hero: So it's pointless. But it's still endlessly interesting, even without puppy videos. In the time it's taken me to write this the sun has converted millions of tons of matter into energy, which in a few thousand years might keep my descendants warm. Writing this with Swype involves a huge amount of probabilistic inference on language use by a chunk of silicon that only understands high or low voltage. (And it got probabilistic on the first try...). Right now a trillion cells in my body are synthesizing proteins with near perfect accuracy at a speed we can only dream about in a lab.

I couldn't care less if there's a purpose. It's just neat.

See, and this is where it goes horribly wrong for me.  One day I realized that the universe is absolutely teeming with awesomely cool stuff --

-- that I'll never get to experience, because I'm stuck in this rotting meatsack on this shiatball rock with 7 billion other whackos, all of us only a few degrees removed from drooling, scratching our heads, and eating the bugs from each others' fur.  Our senses are pitiful, our bodies are feeble, and it all ends far too soon considering all the wonders out there that we'll never get to see.  Yet sometimes it feels like it doesn't end soon enough for how trapped we are inside these little organic prisons we are each given, that need to be fed and clothed and bathed and maintained day after day...

Uhh.  I was going to end this rant on a positive note, but I forgot what it was in the middle of my nihilistic paroxysm.


Yeah, I'm a bag of limited meat, here for only a few dozen turns around the big gasball.

But my very first memory is a blurry TV show where two weirdly dressed guys in puffy white suits were bouncing around oddly.  The idea of a home computer was a fantasy when I came around: ARPANET wasn't even on the map yet and the computer mouse didn't exist.  We'd never seen a pulsar, cloned an animal or even used a bar code.

Not bad for a bunch of sweaty, semi-hairless apes.  I've got about another 40 years left- I suspect I'll still get to see some more neat things.  It's not immortality, but it will have to do.
 
2014-09-02 09:19:50 PM  
Somebody spent WAY too much time thinking about that.  Must've had a deadline.
 
2014-09-02 09:27:45 PM  

LordZorch: Things don't need to have a "point", they just exist.

The faster you deal with this, the happier you'll be.


Did you mean all things or just some specific things?
 
2014-09-02 09:28:41 PM  
Glockenspiel Hero: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Glockenspiel Hero: So it's pointless. But it's still endlessly interesting, even without puppy videos. In the time it's taken me to write this the sun has converted millions of tons of matter into energy, which in a few thousand years might keep my descendants warm. Writing this with Swype involves a huge amount of probabilistic inference on language use by a chunk of silicon that only understands high or low voltage. (And it got probabilistic on the first try...). Right now a trillion cells in my body are synthesizing proteins with near perfect accuracy at a speed we can only dream about in a lab.
I couldn't care less if there's a purpose. It's just neat.
See, and this is where it goes horribly wrong for me.  One day I realized that the universe is absolutely teeming with awesomely cool stuff --

-- that I'll never get to experience, because I'm stuck in this rotting meatsack on this shiatball rock with 7 billion other whackos, all of us only a few degrees removed from drooling, scratching our heads, and eating the bugs from each others' fur.  Our senses are pitiful, our bodies are feeble, and it all ends far too soon considering all the wonders out there that we'll never get to see.  Yet sometimes it feels like it doesn't end soon enough for how trapped we are inside these little organic prisons we are each given, that need to be fed and clothed and bathed and maintained day after day...
Uhh.  I was going to end this rant on a positive note, but I forgot what it was in the middle of my nihilistic paroxysm.
Yeah, I'm a bag of limited meat, here for only a few dozen turns around the big gasball.
But my very first memory is a blurry TV show where two weirdly dressed guys in puffy white suits were bouncing around oddly.  The idea of a home computer was a fantasy when I came around: ARPANET wasn't even on the map yet and the computer mouse didn't exist.  We'd never seen a pulsar, cloned an animal or even used a bar code.
Not bad for a bun ...


Well spoken, fellow bag of meat.  In honor of helping to cheer me up, and because this half-moon I'm looking at is really awesome, have one of these:

www.deonandan.com.
 
2014-09-02 09:33:30 PM  
img.fark.net

Lisa: I feel like I'm gonna die, Bart.
Bart: We're all gonna die, Lis.
Lisa: I meant soon.
Bart: So did I.
 
2014-09-02 09:34:07 PM  
I wish I liked drugs and not just booze. Booze doesn't give me the power to write nonsensical shiat and get paid for it.
 
2014-09-02 09:42:24 PM  

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: yakmans_dad: LordZorch: Things don't need to have a "point", they just exist.

The faster you deal with this, the happier you'll be.

How does that work exactly?

[parkinglotconfessional.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]


Yeah, pretty much this....
 
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