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2014-09-02 08:26:24 AM  
First we have to get past the Wendy's vs Jack in a Box vote.
 
2014-09-02 09:06:44 AM  
DNRTDA, but no matter who wins, we all lose.
 
2014-09-02 09:19:21 AM  
disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-09-02 09:52:33 AM  
C'mon, Texas. Splurge. You know you want them both.
 
2014-09-02 09:52:49 AM  

wildcardjack: First we have to get past the Wendy's vs Jack in a Box vote.


You worked the two shiat sandwiches analogy in there pretty well.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-09-02 09:55:10 AM  
I feel fairly certain when I say that I believe Rick Perry is mostly done for.  I think it's more likely that he'll have a career as a pundit,
 
2014-09-02 10:01:01 AM  
Ted Cruz can't be president
 
2014-09-02 10:12:27 AM  
Dumb vs. Dumberer
 
2014-09-02 10:21:29 AM  
Would you like to be thrown off a cliff into the Grand Canyon, or run across the Interstate at rush hour?
 
2014-09-02 10:41:35 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Would you like to be thrown off a cliff into the Grand Canyon, or run across the Interstate at rush hour?


You don't do rush hour much, do you? I've seen pan handlers in rush hour traffic.
 
2014-09-02 10:53:22 AM  
If I had to choose between those two candidates...I'd choose a write-in.
 
2014-09-02 11:12:28 AM  

moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president


You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.
 
2014-09-02 11:15:43 AM  
There won't be a problem. I hear Ted Nugent is still alive and not in jail, and he's the real x-factor.
 
2014-09-02 11:17:02 AM  
Dumb and Dumber. Guess who's who!
 
2014-09-02 11:17:30 AM  

433: I feel fairly certain when I say that I believe Rick Perry is mostly done for.  I think it's more likely that he'll have a career as a pundit,


I miss the halcyon days of when W was governor.
 
2014-09-02 11:19:12 AM  
Hmmm. Documented idiot that wanted to seceed after the 2012 election or canadian-born son of a Castro sympathizer? It's like a republican wet dream.
i13.photobucket.com
 
2014-09-02 11:21:14 AM  
By the debates they'll both be wearing non-prescription glasses so big and so thick they'll have to be brought out on forklifts.
 
2014-09-02 11:21:52 AM  
hayesworldview.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-09-02 11:22:05 AM  

433: I feel fairly certain when I say that I believe Rick Perry is mostly done for.  I think it's more likely that he'll have a career as a pundit,


The man literally could not complete a sentence when it was totally unprompted.  The idea that he would have a career in a field where you are expected to actively propose ideas is laughable.  We're even setting aside whether pundits have to have good ideas or not - Perry can't even get his out.
 
2014-09-02 11:26:46 AM  
Dumberer and Dumbererer?
 
2014-09-02 11:28:00 AM  

mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.


McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.
 
2014-09-02 11:29:23 AM  
The guilty party has his choice. Death by electrocution, death by gas, death by phaser, death by hanging...
 
2014-09-02 11:30:19 AM  

BMulligan: The guilty party has his choice. Death by electrocution, death by gas, death by phaser, death by hanging...


Phaser by a mile, TYVM.
 
2014-09-02 11:32:06 AM  
"I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating." - Boss Tweed
 
2014-09-02 11:33:25 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.


Honestly, I disagree. I think any naturalized citizen who wants to run for POTUS or Congress should be allowed to. By the very process of being naturalized, they've proven more loyal to America than anyone who got their citizenship by winning the birth lottery. I would much rather be governed by a bunch of naturalized citizens than a bunch of citizens by birth.
 
2014-09-02 11:36:53 AM  

spcMike: 433: I feel fairly certain when I say that I believe Rick Perry is mostly done for.  I think it's more likely that he'll have a career as a pundit,

I miss the halcyon days of when W was governor.


I'm betaing Dead State, Zombie survival/rebuilding game set in Texas. One of the characters mentions that the Governor asks everyone to pray that the infection goes away. He knew right then with Rick's previous track record that it would get much much worse. When Game Developers are making fun of you, your career is over.
 
2014-09-02 11:41:50 AM  

Serious Black: DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.

Honestly, I disagree. I think any naturalized citizen who wants to run for POTUS or Congress should be allowed to. By the very process of being naturalized, they've proven more loyal to America than anyone who got their citizenship by winning the birth lottery. I would much rather be governed by a bunch of naturalized citizens than a bunch of citizens by birth.


I can see the rationale for that (being the son of an immigrant myself), but I think putting a 'time in grade'
requirement for naturalized citizens would help silence any derpaderps who hold to the view that only
a native born American should be president (a view obviously held by the founding fathers, since they
enshrined it into the Constitution itself), and is a fairly neutral standard.

But, like I said:  I doubt very highly any amendment to the native born requirement would be forthcoming
for at least the next generation given all the crap they're giving Obama (who is unequivocally a native
born American).
 
2014-09-02 11:41:55 AM  
Want a golden shower or a hot carl?
You HAVE to choose!
 
2014-09-02 11:42:47 AM  
By golly, why can't we have both?
 
2014-09-02 11:45:33 AM  
That's no choice at all.  I mean really, that's not a choice.  Can we just do without the office for a few years, see how we get along without the douchbags?
 
2014-09-02 11:46:33 AM  

phalamir: 433: I feel fairly certain when I say that I believe Rick Perry is mostly done for.  I think it's more likely that he'll have a career as a pundit,

The man literally could not complete a sentence when it was totally unprompted.  The idea that he would have a career in a field where you are expected to actively propose ideas is laughable.  We're even setting aside whether pundits have to have good ideas or not - Perry can't even get his out.



So, you're saying he'll have his own TV reality show and a web channel?
 
2014-09-02 11:48:19 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.


Snopes refers to this which I find interesting.:

"Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizen parents. The Canal Zone was territory controlled by the United States, but it was not incorporated into the Union. As requested by Senator McCain's campaign, distinguished constitutional lawyers Laurence Tribe and Theodore Olson examined the law and issued a detailed opinion offering two reasons that Senator McCain was a natural born citizen. Neither is sound under current law. The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment's grant of citizenship to "all persons born . . . in the United States." However, in the Insular Cases, the Supreme Court held that "unincorporated territories" were not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Accordingly, many decisions hold that persons born in unincorporated territories are not Fourteenth Amendment citizens. The Tribe-Olson Opinion also suggests that Senator McCain obtained citizenship by statute. However, the only statute in effect in 1936 did not cover the Canal Zone. Recognizing the gap, in 1937, Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth. Because Senator John McCain was not a citizen at birth, he is not a "natural born Citizen" and thus is not "eligible to the Office of President" under the Constitution."

I think it is rather silly and McCain should be allowed to run for/be President.  However, I promise you, a black man has a higher standard to meet and I'm convinced under similar circumstances, a person of colour would never have been permitted to become President under similar circumstances.

As for Cruz.  When SCOTUS stopped a re-count allowing Shrub to become President, nothing would surprise me.
 
2014-09-02 11:53:23 AM  
It took me about three paragraphs to be sure if the writer was being smarmy or not. Ornstein still sounds like a reasonable person.
 
2014-09-02 11:55:41 AM  
A rare instance where both sides ARE bad.
 
2014-09-02 11:56:11 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: By the debates they'll both be wearing non-prescription glasses so big and so thick they'll have to be brought out on forklifts.


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/cubs win!
 
2014-09-02 11:57:02 AM  

Smoking GNU: Dumberer and Dumbererer?


Alien vs. Predaderp
 
2014-09-02 12:01:59 PM  
Just how far do you have to be up your own right-wing ass to think that after committing so many acts of inhuman cruelty towards helpless Americans, that you should be rewarded with the briefcase that holds the US Thermonuclear Arsenal's launch codes?
 
2014-09-02 12:03:07 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.


Except the phrase is not "native born" it is "natural born" and the most likely outcome of any case isthat a "natural born" citizens is anyone who recieves citizenship by birth and is therefore not naturalized.
 
2014-09-02 12:05:47 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Smoking GNU: Dumberer and Dumbererer?

Alien vs. Predaderp


Predaderp?

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i.kinja-img.com  i.kinja-img.com
 
2014-09-02 12:06:01 PM  
Don't you mean Rafael Cruz?
 
2014-09-02 12:08:22 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.


Wait, I thought this was all poking fun, was Cruz really born outside of the US?
 
2014-09-02 12:10:18 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Serious Black: DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.

Honestly, I disagree. I think any naturalized citizen who wants to run for POTUS or Congress should be allowed to. By the very process of being naturalized, they've proven more loyal to America than anyone who got their citizenship by winning the birth lottery. I would much rather be governed by a bunch of naturalized citizens than a bunch of citizens by birth.

I can see the rationale for that (being the son of an immigrant myself), but I think putting a 'time in grade'
requirement for naturalized citizens would help silence any derpaderps who hold to the view that only
a native born American should be president (a view obviously held by the founding fathers, since they
enshrined it into the Constitution itself), and is a fairly neutral standard.

But, like I said:  I doubt very highly any amendment to the native born requirement would be forthcoming
for at least the next generation
given al ...


Yes, that part I would (sadly) agree with.
 
2014-09-02 12:11:29 PM  

Esc7: DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.

Wait, I thought this was all poking fun, was Cruz really born outside of the US?


He was born in Canada an only recently denounced his Canadian Citizenship.  Plus his parents were born in Cuba and his father fought for Catro (I'm not joking).
 
2014-09-02 12:11:44 PM  

Esc7: DjangoStonereaver: mrshowrules: moothemagiccow: Ted Cruz can't be president

You are going by the standard required for a black man.  That's so last Tuesday.  When you are white (or whitish) these things don't apply.  See McCain.

McCain got allowed to be president very quietly sometime in 2008 by congressional resolution, and
frankly I agree that he should count as a 'native born American' because his father was assigned to the
Panama Canal zone (which, at the time, was a US Terroritory) by the US Navy.  Cruz, OTOH, should NOT
be allowed to be president, since while he was born in Canada while his parents lived there while working
for a private company, and that he is in presidential contention at all is a classic case of Tea Party
hypocrisy.

Mind you:  I think that the 'native born' requirement has somewhat outlived its usefulness, but I don't
think it should be scrapped outright, but amended to allow for naturalized citizens who have had US
citizenship for at least 35 years (the same as the overall age requirement for the presidency), but it'll
never happen.

Wait, I thought this was all poking fun, was Cruz really born outside of the US?


He was seriously born in Canada. In Calgary to be specific.
 
2014-09-02 12:14:09 PM  
... Can I vote for the Meteor Strike?  Hopefully get both of 'em?
 
2014-09-02 12:24:31 PM  

mrshowrules: He was born in Canada an only recently denounced his Canadian Citizenship.  Plus his parents were born in Cuba and his father fought for Catro (I'm not joking).


Serious Black:
He was seriously born in Canada. In Calgary to be specific.

Were his parents US citizens at the time?
 
2014-09-02 12:30:04 PM  
www.alice-in-wonderland.net
 
2014-09-02 12:31:43 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Dumb vs. Dumberer


Yep, I knew it had to be here.
 
2014-09-02 12:33:14 PM  

Esc7: mrshowrules: He was born in Canada an only recently denounced his Canadian Citizenship.  Plus his parents were born in Cuba and his father fought for Catro (I'm not joking).

Serious Black:
He was seriously born in Canada. In Calgary to be specific.

Were his parents US citizens at the time?


His mother was born in America. There is an exceptionally slim possibility that she was not an American resident for enough years prior to moving to Canada and giving birth to Ted to pass on her citizenship at birth based on contemporaneous law. That said, I think nobody seriously believes that they could prove the case, especially since he has an American passport that de facto proves his American citizenship.
 
2014-09-02 12:33:35 PM  
If I had to choose between those two in a primary, I think I'd move to a smarter state.
 
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