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(Yahoo)   Communist bloc cloud yeller Fidel Castro compares NATO to Nazi Germany's SS and warbles on about some mouthpiece named John McCain, adding Che Guevara's image makes for better useful idiot T-shirts than Sarah Palin's   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2014-09-02 09:35:20 AM  
She would have to be useful first
 
2014-09-02 09:50:11 AM  
 cloud yeller  ?

So he's an . . .

Old Yeller?
 
2014-09-02 09:54:06 AM  
That headline made my head hurt.
 
2014-09-02 11:20:40 AM  
Go home, Castro. You're old.
 
2014-09-02 11:26:06 AM  
STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.
 
2014-09-02 11:30:15 AM  
Putin gave him a Nazi dog whistle.  It only works in Russia, though.

/how is castro still alive?
 
2014-09-02 11:39:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Putin gave him a Nazi dog whistle.  It only works in Russia, though.

/how is castro still alive?


I, too, was wondering how/why that old f*ck is still kickin' around.
 
2014-09-02 11:41:06 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.


Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?
 
2014-09-02 11:46:20 AM  
Well, Fidel is a jerk, but I'd wear a Che shirt before I wore a Palin shirt. Che was far less a threat to America.
 
2014-09-02 11:49:38 AM  

whosits_112: Marcus Aurelius: Putin gave him a Nazi dog whistle.  It only works in Russia, though.

/how is castro still alive?

I, too, was wondering how/why that old f*ck is still kickin' around.


Universal free health care, probably.
 
2014-09-02 11:51:06 AM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: whosits_112: Marcus Aurelius: Putin gave him a Nazi dog whistle.  It only works in Russia, though.

/how is castro still alive?

I, too, was wondering how/why that old f*ck is still kickin' around.

Universal free health care, probably.


And transfusions of baby blood.
 
2014-09-02 11:53:10 AM  
I don't believe Castro is still alive, despite Cuba's claims.

Well, maybe 'Weekend at Bernie's" alive.
 
2014-09-02 11:57:35 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Putin gave him a Nazi dog whistle.  It only works in Russia, though.

/how is castro still alive?


low cost public health care
 
2014-09-02 12:06:47 PM  

anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperatelry to escape from?


You have to have a Marxist progression communist country first.  Hasn't been one yet - everyone got on board the Lenin short cut train and found out first stop was Totalitarianism.  Appears the line ends there, though the Chinese appear to working hard at completing the line.  We'll see where they are in 50 years.  Either that or we'll wake up one day and see one of the Scandinavian countries has completed the trek through post capitalism.  Norway is my guess as to who will finish that first.  Next step would be opening the sovereign fund to private (Norwegian citizens) investment, essentially allowing the people to transfer their wealth to the state with accountability - think of it as a super hedge fund run by the state, on behalf of the people.  Would be starting to get hard to distinguish between a communist state and the capitalist one at that point.  The public would then own the means of production, and through techocrats at the wealth fund, the capital needed to be deployed would be allocated.  The companies would be owned by the state, which is owned by the people.

But then you asked a slightly different question - people would still leave the physical location of Norway because it's bloody cold - they just wouldn't drop their citizenship.  Desperation measures may vary.
 
2014-09-02 12:09:10 PM  

anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?


Has there ever been a Communist party that wasn't royally screwed over by outside forces, or was one of the worst places to try it out?
 
2014-09-02 12:18:13 PM  

MadHatter500: anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperatelry to escape from?

You have to have a Marxist progression communist country first.  Hasn't been one yet - everyone got on board the Lenin short cut train and found out first stop was Totalitarianism.  Appears the line ends there, though the Chinese appear to working hard at completing the line.  We'll see where they are in 50 years.  Either that or we'll wake up one day and see one of the Scandinavian countries has completed the trek through post capitalism.  Norway is my guess as to who will finish that first.  Next step would be opening the sovereign fund to private (Norwegian citizens) investment, essentially allowing the people to transfer their wealth to the state with accountability - think of it as a super hedge fund run by the state, on behalf of the people.  Would be starting to get hard to distinguish between a communist state and the capitalist one at that point.  The public would then own the means of production, and through techocrats at the wealth fund, the capital needed to be deployed would be allocated.  The companies would be owned by the state, which is owned by the people.

But then you asked a slightly different question - people would still leave the physical location of Norway because it's bloody cold - they just wouldn't drop their citizenship.  Desperation measures may vary.


It didn't help that Russia was a poor-as-shiat mostly-illerate hardly-industrialized pisspot populated mostly by uneducated peasants circa 1917. Not exactly the most fertile ground for Marxism, there.

China was mostly the same way. Some industrialization, but the vast majority of the country were peasants.
 
2014-09-02 12:18:24 PM  

anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?


I was going to say Nicaragua -- when your alternatives are Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, or a long-ass trek through those hellholes and Mexico to the US ...

but the LA Times recently mentioned thousands of Nicaraguans are bolting south to be menial workers in Costa Rica and Panama these days.
 
2014-09-02 12:23:07 PM  
Huh. I thought Fidel Castro was dead.
 
2014-09-02 12:23:11 PM  
Rand Paul?
 
2014-09-02 12:23:40 PM  

Summercat: anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?

Has there ever been a Communist party that wasn't royally screwed over by outside forces, or was one of the worst places to try it out?


Well, the Soviets and Chinese did a pretty good job of royally screwing themselves over, without any outside help.

To be fair, though, the vast majority of revolutions that trumpet liberty, worker rights, etc. end badly.  For example, while the American revolution went reasonably well, the French tried basically the same thing a few years later and ended up with Napoleon.
 
2014-09-02 12:48:11 PM  

anfrind: Summercat: anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?

Has there ever been a Communist party that wasn't royally screwed over by outside forces, or was one of the worst places to try it out?

Well, the Soviets and Chinese did a pretty good job of royally screwing themselves over, without any outside help.

To be fair, though, the vast majority of revolutions that trumpet liberty, worker rights, etc. end badly.  For example, while the American revolution went reasonably well, the French tried basically the same thing a few years later and ended up with Napoleon.


The Russians were screwed over by having very very little in the way of developed wealth. Lots of people, lots of peasants (poor uneducated menial laborers with no room or means for advancement), lots of enthusiasm, not so much in the way of industry. Russia in 1917 would be the last place Marx would suggest for trying to attempt Communism, for those reasons.

China was much the same way, with the added longer-running civil war between the Nationalists - a bunch of cock-gobbling farktards those guys were - and the Communists, which paid lip-service to the common people at worst.  Again, plenty of natural resources, but even worse off than Russia in terms of literate population (The Chinese alphabet is KILLER compared to even the Cyrillic) and industry. Several of the wealthiest ports in China were held outright by foreign powers.

Both, as Madhatter500 said,   got on the Lenin short cut train and found out first stop was Totalitarianism.

Other places to try out Communism were even worse off. China and Russia were at least mostly controlled internally, other places were flat-out colonies of European powers, and relatively recently. Communism was often used as a political rally cry that was Anti-Western, and Anti-Imperialism, fueled by the juggernauts that China and Russia were becoming as those countries started developing their natural resources and industry. It didn't help that the former Imperialistic Powers of Europe were so very Capitalistic in nature, and had been very anti-Communist since... well, forever.

In these cases, Communism was used as a political banner, not an actual schema of governance.

Then we have Cuba. Cuba was doing okay for itself in terms of development and natural resources, and had good economic terms with it's natural largest trading partner, the US. Cuba could very well have been a decent test on how Communism could work, if not for the blockade, embargo, and the nonsensical hostility of their natural largest trading partner. Even then, with the economic embargo of the island, Cuba seems to have held up fairly decently.

Now, we can debate how accurate what I've said is, versus the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you can't really deny my points that outside forces were throwing monkeywrenches into the works of countries that were trying Communism, or that they weren't the best places to try communism out when they did so.
 
2014-09-02 12:48:59 PM  

PaulRB: Rand Paul?


Damn.  You beat me.
It was fairly horrifying to note that Castro's points line up neatly with Libertarian foreign policy goals.
 
2014-09-02 12:53:30 PM  

Laobaojun: Libertarian foreign policy goals.


I read this as "Libertarian foreign policy GOATS"  and did not question it for a second.
 
2014-09-02 12:55:59 PM  

anfrind: Summercat: anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?

Has there ever been a Communist party that wasn't royally screwed over by outside forces, or was one of the worst places to try it out?

Well, the Soviets and Chinese did a pretty good job of royally screwing themselves over, without any outside help.

To be fair, though, the vast majority of revolutions that trumpet liberty, worker rights, etc. end badly.  For example, while the American revolution went reasonably well, the French tried basically the same thing a few years later and ended up with Napoleon.


Herp. Forgot the second part of the post.

Napoleon's Empire was still very much Republican and Revolutionary in nature, and part of the reason France ended up with him is the reason why the Ancien Regimes of Europe were so afraid of the revolution; the complete shattering of the old order and creation of a new one.

Whereas the American Revolution was NOT a shattering of the old order and a new one being made; it was not a popular revolution as the October 1917 in Russia or the French Revolution, but one stirred up and led by the ruling class of the colonies. With the American revolution, only the ties to England were severed, and the constitute 'free' colonies formed a new government based upon already-existing lines of association. No social upheaval or destruction.

One day I'll write a paper contrasting the three Revolutions.
 
2014-09-02 01:14:11 PM  
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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2014-09-02 01:21:45 PM  
Okay fine subby, but Sarah Palin is at least an American, why are you so interested in a tin pot nobody from Havana?  Castro and Chavez, two bags of meaningless hot air that never fail to troll conservatives half a world away.
 
2014-09-02 01:26:07 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Laobaojun: Libertarian foreign policy goals.

I read this as "Libertarian foreign policy GOATS"  and did not question it for a second.


Outstanding, sir!  You win the Internet.
 
2014-09-02 01:27:27 PM  

Laobaojun: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Laobaojun: Libertarian foreign policy goals.

I read this as "Libertarian foreign policy GOATS"  and did not question it for a second.

Outstanding, sir ma'am!  You win the Internet.


Sorry.
 
2014-09-02 01:35:22 PM  
Is he yelling at the cloud because his pictures got leaked as well?
 
2014-09-02 01:41:14 PM  

Summercat: anfrind: Summercat: anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?

Has there ever been a Communist party that wasn't royally screwed over by outside forces, or was one of the worst places to try it out?

Well, the Soviets and Chinese did a pretty good job of royally screwing themselves over, without any outside help.

To be fair, though, the vast majority of revolutions that trumpet liberty, worker rights, etc. end badly.  For example, while the American revolution went reasonably well, the French tried basically the same thing a few years later and ended up with Napoleon.


Here I'd like to ask how well all the revolutions in favour of tyranny, upper-class privilege, and sticking it to the little man go, by comparison...

Herp. Forgot the second part of the post.

Napoleon's Empire was still very much Republican and Revolutionary in nature, and part of the reason France ended up with him is the reason why the Ancien Regimes of Europe were so afraid of the revolution; the complete shattering of the old order and creation of a new one.

Whereas the American Revolution was NOT a shattering of the old order and a new one being made; it was not a popular revolution as the October 1917 in Russia or the French Revolution, but one stirred up and led by the ruling class of the colonies. With the American revolution, only the ties to England were severed, and the constitute 'free' colonies formed a new government based upon already-existing lines of association. No social upheaval or destruction.

One day I'll write a paper contrasting the three Revolutions.


There was plenty of social upheavel and destruction, with Canada receiving thousands of refugees called "United Empire Loyalists."
 
2014-09-02 01:42:49 PM  
Fidel; Russia left your country out to try once they no longer needed you.

Also, Cuba has been doing well with improved relations with the West.  Having a normal political relationship with the US should be a top priority for your nation.
 
2014-09-02 01:46:29 PM  

Summercat: anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?

Has there ever been a Communist party that wasn't royally screwed over by outside forces, or was one of the worst places to try it out?


At one point I subscribed to this idea - Communism failed because western capitalists conspired to crash it. And given that the first action of the USSR was to fight the White Russian counter-revolution, openly financed by western capitalist interests, one might forgive Stalin for seeing counter-revolutionary wreckers everywhere.

Then one day I realized: If Communism is a better system than Capitalism, why is it that in the process of both sides flushing wealth down the toilet on Cold War bullshiat, the cost per capita of playing keep-up-with-the-Svetlanovs in America was so small that nobody even noticed - American federal tax rates went nowhere but down during the cold war - while the cost to the average Soviet citizen of playing keep-up-with-the-Joneses was a slow collapse in living standards until by the 1980s people were standing in line for bread the same way your great-great-grandmother might tell you of doing during the Great Depression? On the last stretch to the 100th anniversary of the Revolution, every single attempt at Communism has failed, utterly and totally, by any sane metric (in b4 no-true-communist fallacy).

Communism is like a weight balanced on top of a straight piece of rope: It might look interesting, and it does address problems like the capitalist rock falling off the bottom of the rope because it wasn't secured, but there are multiple painfully obvious reasons that a rock balanced on a stood-up piece of rope will never stay that way or get there in the first place, so it isn't the solution to keeping the rock in place.
 
2014-09-02 01:51:37 PM  
I've lived under communism in Vietnam, and also visited Cuba.  Neither are really hellholes, but there is a lack of liberty, and a lack of general consumer choice that a lot people enjoy elsewhere.  The Communist Parties also favor insiders and elites to an extent that would make George W. Bush ashamed.  There are not a lot of options for people with big dreams, and very limited options even for people with modest ambitions (politics aside, the Soviet Union collapsed because people wanted Levi's jeans and foreign vacations).

As for Marxism, I'm well versed in it and when it's deconstructed to the point of saying "let's take care of ordinary/ poor people" or generalities like "capitalists own and control the means of production"  it makes sense.   Problem is most of Marx's specific writings were about factory conditions, in Europe, over 100 years ago and outlined a political and historical pattern which has never played out anywhere.  It only gets confusing because parts of the mass media keep saying things like "Obama/Clinton are Marxists", otherwise it would be about as relevant today as documents on court manners in the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
 
2014-09-02 01:54:15 PM  

Summercat: The Russians were screwed over by having very very little in the way of developed wealth. Lots of people, lots of peasants (poor uneducated menial laborers with no room or means for advancement), lots of enthusiasm, not so much in the way of industry. Russia in 1917 would be the last place Marx would suggest for trying to attempt Communism, for those reasons.

China was much the same way, with the added longer-running civil war between the Nationalists - a bunch of cock-gobbling farktards those guys were - and the Communists, which paid lip-service to the common people at worst. Again, plenty of natural resources, but even worse off than Russia in terms of literate population (The Chinese alphabet is KILLER compared to even the Cyrillic) and industry. Several of the wealthiest ports in China were held outright by foreign powers.

Both, as Madhatter500 said, got on the Lenin short cut train and found out first stop was Totalitarianism.

Other places to try out Communism were even worse off. China and Russia were at least mostly controlled internally, other places were flat-out colonies of European powers, and relatively recently. Communism was often used as a political rally cry that was Anti-Western, and Anti-Imperialism, fueled by the juggernauts that China and Russia were becoming as those countries started developing their natural resources and industry. It didn't help that the former Imperialistic Powers of Europe were so very Capitalistic in nature, and had been very anti-Communist since... well, forever.

In these cases, Communism was used as a political banner, not an actual schema of governance.


Sounds reasonable.  I just want to add two things:

1. In Venezuela, socialism (which in their case seems to be no different from communism) is still used today as an anti-Western, anti-Imperialist rallying cry.  Of course, like every country that has had a communist or socialist revolution, it's a basketcase.

2. I do have to wonder how the prior history of Britain may have also contributed to the comparative success of post-revolutionary America.  England had not been an absolute monarchy since the signing of the Magna Carta, and the monarchy had been further weakened about a hundred years before the American revolution by the victory of the Parliamentarians in the English civil war.  By contrast, many of these revolutions have taken place in countries that were ruled by dictators (whether generals or absolute monarchs) and thus had little or no tradition of even slightly limited government.

/not an expert on history, but always interested to learn something new
 
2014-09-02 01:56:28 PM  
Nurglitch:
There was plenty of social upheavel and destruction, with Canada receiving thousands of refugees called "United Empire Loyalists."


Yes, you had the Tories in the Colonies flee to Canada (and the New-French further into Quebec and down to New Orleans), but the basic social matrices of the United States and Canada were relatively intact. The same powerstructures, the same societies. There was some movement, and certainly lots of personal upheaval, but not so much in the way of major social re-alignment as in the Russian or French revolutions.

erik-k:
Then one day I realized: If Communism is a better system than Capitalism, why is it that in the process of both sides flushing wealth down the toilet on Cold War bullshiat,

As said in my post and by someone else, Russia and China didn't have Communism but rather Totalitarianism dressed up in Communism clothing.
 
2014-09-02 02:06:13 PM  

anfrind: Summercat: The Russians were screwed over by having very very little in the way of developed wealth. Lots of people, lots of peasants (poor uneducated menial laborers with no room or means for advancement), lots of enthusiasm, not so much in the way of industry. Russia in 1917 would be the last place Marx would suggest for trying to attempt Communism, for those reasons.

China was much the same way, with the added longer-running civil war between the Nationalists - a bunch of cock-gobbling farktards those guys were - and the Communists, which paid lip-service to the common people at worst. Again, plenty of natural resources, but even worse off than Russia in terms of literate population (The Chinese alphabet is KILLER compared to even the Cyrillic) and industry. Several of the wealthiest ports in China were held outright by foreign powers.

Both, as Madhatter500 said, got on the Lenin short cut train and found out first stop was Totalitarianism.

Other places to try out Communism were even worse off. China and Russia were at least mostly controlled internally, other places were flat-out colonies of European powers, and relatively recently. Communism was often used as a political rally cry that was Anti-Western, and Anti-Imperialism, fueled by the juggernauts that China and Russia were becoming as those countries started developing their natural resources and industry. It didn't help that the former Imperialistic Powers of Europe were so very Capitalistic in nature, and had been very anti-Communist since... well, forever.

In these cases, Communism was used as a political banner, not an actual schema of governance.

Sounds reasonable.  I just want to add two things:

1. In Venezuela, socialism (which in their case seems to be no different from communism) is still used today as an anti-Western, anti-Imperialist rallying cry.  Of course, like every country that has had a communist or socialist revolution, it's a basketcase.

2. I do have to wonder how the prior history ...


England has almost always been a nation of laws, something impressed fairly early on within the Saxon tribes. Don't know how much of that is from their original West Germanic culture and how much they absorbed from the Romano-Britons they were displacing (Now in Wales and Cornwall). Even before the Norman Conquest, England was nowhere near an unlimited monarchy, and the Norman attempts to reign in the population similar to how France was didn't work out so well.

The Magna Carta is just the first *standing document* of the rights of Englishmen. And the nobility. And do remember that the Protectorate, when England was (laughably) a Republic, was in the 1600s, and that the English Civil War in the COLONIES was a resounding success for the Northern 'Peasant/Saxon' colonies over the Dutch New Netherlands and the Norman 'Gentleman Adventurers' of Virginia.
 
2014-09-02 03:34:50 PM  

Laobaojun: Laobaojun: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Laobaojun: Libertarian foreign policy goals.

I read this as "Libertarian foreign policy GOATS"  and did not question it for a second.

Outstanding, sir ma'am!  You win the Internet.

Sorry.


I've been called worse. It is the politics tab, after all.  :)
 
2014-09-02 04:05:52 PM  

anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?


Yea the one that wasn't sanctioned and isolated from the rest of the world, oh wait.
 
2014-09-02 04:07:30 PM  
Oh and back when the EU became a reality my German boss was so happy and said : We did it we got Europe and this time without firing a shot.
 
2014-09-02 04:51:26 PM  

anfrind: Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperately try to escape from?


Yes. Yugoslavia, until the Russians (behind a proxy of seven Serbs) farked that up, too. It used to be the summer fun capital for Europe.
 
2014-09-02 05:04:32 PM  
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2014-09-02 05:52:04 PM  
He compared them to the SS. So what? Who doesn't like an SS?

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2014-09-02 06:06:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Putin gave him a Nazi dog whistle.  It only works in Russia, though.

/how is castro still alive?


Just like Sunni and Shia, there's no way NAZIs and Communists would EVER work together. So I doubt Putin, former KGB agent, would use a Nazi dog whistle.
 
2014-09-02 06:07:00 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh and back when the EU became a reality my German boss was so happy and said : We did it we got Europe and this time without firing a shot.


I no longer believe we should have bothered to fight in the WWII, if the end of it all meant we have Ted Cruz as a senator.
 
2014-09-02 07:53:45 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: He compared them to the SS. So what? Who doesn't like an SS?

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I know that car. I see it in my dreams every night when I close my eyes. In those dreams there are no speed traps, the highways are smooth as glass and gasoline is free.
 
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That middle one made me giggle.
 
2014-09-02 09:04:58 PM  

MadHatter500: anfrind: Rev. Skarekroe: STFU, Fidel.
When people stop desperately trying to escape your country in ramshackle rafts THEN you can criticize other nations.

Has there ever been a Communist country that people DIDN'T desperatelry to escape from?

You have to have a Marxist progression communist country first.  Hasn't been one yet - everyone got on board the Lenin short cut train and found out first stop was Totalitarianism.  Appears the line ends there, though the Chinese appear to working hard at completing the line.  We'll see where they are in 50 years.  Either that or we'll wake up one day and see one of the Scandinavian countries has completed the trek through post capitalism.  Norway is my guess as to who will finish that first.  Next step would be opening the sovereign fund to private (Norwegian citizens) investment, essentially allowing the people to transfer their wealth to the state with accountability - think of it as a super hedge fund run by the state, on behalf of the people.  Would be starting to get hard to distinguish between a communist state and the capitalist one at that point.  The public would then own the means of production, and through techocrats at the wealth fund, the capital needed to be deployed would be allocated.  The companies would be owned by the state, which is owned by the people.

But then you asked a slightly different question - people would still leave the physical location of Norway because it's bloody cold - they just wouldn't drop their citizenship.  Desperation measures may vary.


sorry, but I have zero trust in others, let alone government. There's no way you could convince me that state ownership or popular ownership is a good thing. It's just more chance to be misused and to fark over your fellow man.
 
2014-09-02 09:13:42 PM  
He's right about the last one. At the very least the people who wear a Palin t-shirt actually know who she is and what she "stands" for.
 
2014-09-02 10:18:05 PM  
Just die already.
 
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