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(Baltimore Sun)   Johns Hopkins students invent a way to stop fatal bleeding on the battlefield. Still no cure for stopping the financial bleeding when the yearly tuition bill rolls in   (articles.baltimoresun.com) divider line 73
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2014-09-02 09:09:53 AM  
So did I:  Nerf bullets.  Problem solved.  Book it, done.
 
2014-09-02 09:46:12 AM  
Superglue and Great Stuff, Home Depot turns out to be the source of medical innovation yet again.
 
2014-09-02 11:24:09 AM  
Let me know when they come up with a way to stop battlefields.
 
2014-09-02 11:27:44 AM  
Am I missing something? If it's only stable up to 100 degrees, unless that's in Celsius, won't it be useless in most of the Middle East and the Tropics?
 
2014-09-02 11:39:23 AM  

SumJackass07: Am I missing something? If it's only stable up to 100 degrees, unless that's in Celsius, won't it be useless in most of the Middle East and the Tropics?


Hell, it will be useless across much of the US.
 
2014-09-02 11:44:47 AM  
What's the point?  Fatal bleeding stops itself, eventually.
 
2014-09-02 11:54:26 AM  
Spray foam for major wounds, crazy glue for little ones, and JB Weld for dental problems. The local hardware store is a great source of medical supplies.
 
2014-09-02 11:55:08 AM  
Injectable foam bandages is a concept that's been around for a while, but the mechanics and chemistry has been hinky, so if they can work out the kinks, and make it viable in higher temperature ranges, good on them. A spray bandage that can stop deep wounds sounds like a winner.
 
2014-09-02 11:55:15 AM  
Better hope you don't have a fever or sick.  You only have a 1.4 degree swing before the product is useless.  Cool idea but that temp needs worked on.

"During the past year and a half, the students experimented with gel to mimic human tissue and rods filled with water to take the place of blood vessels. They damaged the rods and injected the foam to stop the fluid loss. It hardened and applied pressure to the cavity walls, as planned. "

Do they really mean rods as in metal?  I really hope they heated that water to 98.6 degrees.
 
2014-09-02 11:56:14 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: SumJackass07: Am I missing something? If it's only stable up to 100 degrees, unless that's in Celsius, won't it be useless in most of the Middle East and the Tropics?

Hell, it will be useless across much of the US.


If that's F, better hope the soldier in full battle gear in the middle of a firefight doesn't have an elevated body temperature.  Though I guess you could wait until he loses a pint or two and starts to get cold.
 
2014-09-02 12:00:42 PM  
"degrees" isn't a unit of temperature
 
2014-09-02 12:04:14 PM  

H31N0US: Let me know when they come up with a way to stop battlefields.


If it seems like a place is a battlefield, fill it with this foam.
And play balls.
And Happy Fun Ball.
 
2014-09-02 12:07:45 PM  
If this catches on, soon your minivan will fill up with foam after the airbags deploy. Firefighters will first use the Jaws of Life, then the Foam Cutters of Discovery.
 
2014-09-02 12:10:57 PM  
Tampons work too....so does instant mashed potatoes.

/carry both in my trauma kit
 
2014-09-02 12:14:53 PM  
Remember when even the idea of this sort of thing was considered science fiction?
 
2014-09-02 12:15:51 PM  
Is subby really trying to claim that doctors are hurting for money? Particularly doctors who are graduating from Johns Hopkins?

The lowest paid physician type- family medicine, has a median starting salary of $138,000 per year. After practicing for six years, that figure will balloon by 45% to $200,000 per year. The median medical school graduate had $175,000 of debt in 2013.

Even if a physician's income was fixed at $140,000 per year, assuming an effective tax rate of 35%, they'd still have $91,000 a year of income to bully down that debt. It'd be completely possible to be debt-free just three years after graduation.

Now, most people probably aren't going to do that. However, the Assoc. of American Medical Colleges gives a variety of repayment scenarios on that median $175,000 debt. Students who pay aggressively in residency ($300/mo) and then aggressively once they're done ($3000/mo) will have paid off their student loans in about six years after graduation. Students who defer payments during residency and then pay off slowly after graduation ($1,500/mo) will pay off in about 15 years, or for the average medical student, well into their late forties.

Obviously there are a lot of people with particular circumstances that make it harder for them to pay off debt, but there are a lot of people whose circumstances make it easier for them to pay off debt. But if you look at qualitative measures, physicians on average tend to be happy to very happy, and 70% of practicing physicians feel that they have adequate savings (compared to 50% of society in general).

For all the gnashing of teeth, physicians are generally well equipped (better than your median college graduate) to pay off their student loan debt.
 
2014-09-02 12:17:58 PM  

SumJackass07: Am I missing something? If it's only stable up to 100 degrees, unless that's in Celsius, won't it be useless in most of the Middle East and the Tropics?


Sloppy reporting I hope.
I'd like to assume that, coming from a scientific background that the researchers meant centigrade, because that's all they use and think in.
 
2014-09-02 12:32:19 PM  

TNel: Do they really mean rods as in metal?  I really hope they heated that water to 98.6 degrees.


It's Johns Hopkins.  I'm going to guess that, yes, they are not incompetent.
 
2014-09-02 12:36:23 PM  
I might be the worlds largest warmonger but even I draw the line at fielding gestatially underformed humans.  I mean come on, how are they going to fire rifles with their tiny tiny hands?
 
2014-09-02 12:40:42 PM  
As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

/poorly-written indeed
 
2014-09-02 12:45:20 PM  

palelizard: To The Escape Zeppelin!: SumJackass07: Am I missing something? If it's only stable up to 100 degrees, unless that's in Celsius, won't it be useless in most of the Middle East and the Tropics?

Hell, it will be useless across much of the US.

If that's F, better hope the soldier in full battle gear in the middle of a firefight doesn't have an elevated body temperature.  Though I guess you could wait until he loses a pint or two and starts to get cold.


I would hope that is 100 degrees C. The body normally ranges between 97.6F and 99.6F at rest anyways. During exercise or exertion that would be experienced on the battlefield, that temperature can easily hit 104F or higher.
 
2014-09-02 12:47:12 PM  
neat idea but as i've said before, they need to figure out a way to mix in a mild analgesic. stuff like that hurts like a motherfarker when it gets applied/injected. quik-clot feels like you're cauterizing the wound shut(which technically you ARE doing, in a way). if you could make it not hurt so much it'd be a winner.

/and make it mint-flavored while you're at it.
 
2014-09-02 01:09:13 PM  
This concept has been tossed around for at least five years.
 
2014-09-02 01:11:48 PM  

rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.


Inside C-5s.
 
2014-09-02 01:12:59 PM  
Why don't we just drain all the blood from our soldiers before the battle?

/why do I always have to come up with the easy solutions...
 
2014-09-02 01:13:36 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Why don't we just drain all the blood from our soldiers before the battle?

/why do I always have to come up with the easy solutions...


Because the paperwork would kill them.
 
2014-09-02 01:15:33 PM  

buttery_shame_cave: mother


REPORTED
 
2014-09-02 01:28:35 PM  

rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

/poorly-written indeed


Indeed.  Why climb Mount Everest when you can chopper there, take a selfie, and be back in Kathmandoooo  for lunch?
 
2014-09-02 01:30:11 PM  

WelldeadLink: rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

Inside C-5s.


A C-5 isn't a helicopter. The article specifically mentioned helicopters flying at 30,000 feet in cold mountain air. The 30,000 feet thing never applies anyways, since the cargo bay is going to be pressurized in a MEDEVAC airplane.
 
2014-09-02 01:42:16 PM  

Tobin_Lam: WelldeadLink: rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

Inside C-5s.

A C-5 isn't a helicopter. The article specifically mentioned helicopters flying at 30,000 feet in cold mountain air. The 30,000 feet thing never applies anyways, since the cargo bay is going to be pressurized in a MEDEVAC airplane.


What a MEDEVAC at 30,000 feet may look like while being hidden:
d2.static.dvidshub.net
 
2014-09-02 01:43:57 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Why don't we just drain all the blood from our soldiers before the battle?

/why do I always have to come up with the easy solutions...


And if you die, your relatives get a big bag of blood.
 
2014-09-02 01:52:20 PM  

Tobin_Lam: WelldeadLink: rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

Inside C-5s.

A C-5 isn't a helicopter. The article specifically mentioned helicopters flying at 30,000 feet in cold mountain air. The 30,000 feet thing never applies anyways, since the cargo bay is going to be pressurized in a MEDEVAC airplane.


Ceiling for a black hawk is like 18k.

air is too thin at altitude IIRC for the rotors to work.
 
2014-09-02 01:53:47 PM  

Giltric: Tobin_Lam: WelldeadLink: rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

Inside C-5s.

A C-5 isn't a helicopter. The article specifically mentioned helicopters flying at 30,000 feet in cold mountain air. The 30,000 feet thing never applies anyways, since the cargo bay is going to be pressurized in a MEDEVAC airplane.

Ceiling for a black hawk is like 18k.

air is too thin at altitude IIRC for the rotors to work.


stupid lazy rotors. if they'd gotten real american made rotors those things would work in a vaccuum!
 
2014-09-02 01:56:25 PM  

Giltric: Tobin_Lam: WelldeadLink: rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

Inside C-5s.

A C-5 isn't a helicopter. The article specifically mentioned helicopters flying at 30,000 feet in cold mountain air. The 30,000 feet thing never applies anyways, since the cargo bay is going to be pressurized in a MEDEVAC airplane.

Ceiling for a black hawk is like 18k.

air is too thin at altitude IIRC for the rotors to work.


Back when I was in the Marine Core we used to do barrel roles in our Hueys at 20,000 feet
 
2014-09-02 01:58:42 PM  
Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.
 
2014-09-02 02:00:22 PM  

WelldeadLink: Tobin_Lam: WelldeadLink: rabidferret: As an army flight medic, i want to know where we have been hiding MEDEVAC helos which regularly operate at 30,000ft. AGL.

Inside C-5s.

A C-5 isn't a helicopter. The article specifically mentioned helicopters flying at 30,000 feet in cold mountain air. The 30,000 feet thing never applies anyways, since the cargo bay is going to be pressurized in a MEDEVAC airplane.

What a MEDEVAC at 30,000 feet may look like while being hidden:
[d2.static.dvidshub.net image 450x299]


That's a funny picture. One thing that's funny, too, is that plane can be outfitted for MEDEVAC and does fly at 30,000 feet, but it will be pressurized.
 
2014-09-02 02:01:21 PM  

H31N0US: Let me know when they come up with a way to stop battlefields.



when Rich Turds have to send their mice to bleed and die.   as long as the little people are fighting the wars, there isn't a problem.

Rich Turds start 'em
middle class and lower young people die in them.
 
2014-09-02 02:02:06 PM  

Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.


Hopkins has an army ROTC program. I used to laugh at them doing drills on the lacrosse field while I was on my way to do blow and get laid.
 
2014-09-02 02:02:07 PM  

Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.


Do you have any cites?
 
2014-09-02 02:03:39 PM  

Russ1642: "degrees" isn't a unit of temperature



oh, sh*t here comes the temperature police.
 
2014-09-02 02:04:52 PM  

Giltric: Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.

Do you have any cites?



no.  you have to be a multi-billionaire to own cities.  and governments.  stop trying me, you will end up stuck in a corner with no way out.
 
2014-09-02 02:05:44 PM  

insano: Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.

Hopkins has an army ROTC program. I used to laugh at them doing drills on the lacrosse field while I was on my way to do blow and get laid.


Also, not all Hopkins students are/were from rich families. The majority get financial aid.

/alumnus
 
2014-09-02 02:06:47 PM  

ricewater_stool: Also, not all Hopkins students are/were from rich families. The majority get financial aid.

/alumnus


True, I too was one of the not so rich ones.
 
2014-09-02 02:08:02 PM  

Linux_Yes: Giltric: Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.

Do you have any cites?


no.  you have to be a multi-billionaire to own cities.  and governments.  stop trying me, you will end up stuck in a corner with no way out.


Poors are under represented in the service.
 
2014-09-02 02:08:19 PM  

ricewater_stool: insano: Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.

Hopkins has an army ROTC program. I used to laugh at them doing drills on the lacrosse field while I was on my way to do blow and get laid.

Also, not all Hopkins students are/were from rich families. The majority get financial aid.

/alumnus


good point. but let's face it, once you go there and graduate, you pretty much leave the middle class, if you were ever there to begin with.  you won't be rich, yet, but you become upper middle and up.
 
2014-09-02 02:09:17 PM  

Giltric: Linux_Yes: Giltric: Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.

Do you have any cites?


no.  you have to be a multi-billionaire to own cities.  and governments.  stop trying me, you will end up stuck in a corner with no way out.

Poors are under represented in the service.



yea, because there are so many lucrative jobs fipping burgers for them to choose from. why go into the service when you can flip burgers.

nice try, though.
 
2014-09-02 02:10:16 PM  

insano: ricewater_stool: Also, not all Hopkins students are/were from rich families. The majority get financial aid.

/alumnus

True, I too was one of the not so rich ones.



if you graduated, i bet you're doing ok now.   its ok, you don't have to gloat.  the little people understand.
 
2014-09-02 02:10:34 PM  

Linux_Yes: ricewater_stool: insano: Linux_Yes: Now, if the motherfarkers at Johns Hopkins University would actually serve in war (because they love 'murrca so much) instead of having middle/working/poor class kids do it because they don't have rich parents to send them to University to do blow, drugs, laid, and work on stupid assed projects like stopping poor kids from bleeding.

If that ever happened, war would be a thing of the past.  it would take foreign troops on our beaches to get rich Turds to send their mice to war.

as long as the little people do the bleeding and dying, we will continue to involve ourselves in war.  let's face it, war is good for business.

Hopkins has an army ROTC program. I used to laugh at them doing drills on the lacrosse field while I was on my way to do blow and get laid.

Also, not all Hopkins students are/were from rich families. The majority get financial aid.

/alumnus

good point. but let's face it, once you go there and graduate, you pretty much leave the middle class, if you were ever there to begin with.  you won't be rich, yet, but you become upper middle and up.


Well I for one am glad that whole student loan crisis is over as well as the jobs crisis.
 
2014-09-02 02:11:36 PM  

Linux_Yes: why go into the service when you can flip burgers.


Because the service offers the GI Bill....while Mcdonalds offers a 10% discount?
 
2014-09-02 02:12:01 PM  
odd that there are so many Johns Hopkins grads in this thread.  something tells me that one of my legs is longer than the other.
 
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