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2014-09-02 08:54:28 AM  
Well, tfa does not say boomers said it, troll subby.

And boomers still have to work. They are not the 1%, ya know. Many have had to change jobs multiple times when industries closed, they've been screwed by some pensions and by healthcare costs not covered by insurance, some are still supporting their 30 year old kids who can't get jobs after college, and some are stuck paying for kid's college tuitions while also taking care of parents in failing health.
 
2014-09-02 08:58:54 AM  
ah goddamn, another Millenial-bashing thread? Really?

Before we start can we at least agree that Millenials didn't want the whole "participation ribbon" thing and that was their parents who felt they needed to have their precious snowflake recognized for every stupid, mundane thing they did ever? Can we accept that now because that's how it was/is?
 
2014-09-02 09:11:25 AM  
In other words, millennials are more honest.
 
2014-09-02 09:30:19 AM  
Millennials to parents, older generations:

I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!
 
2014-09-02 09:44:23 AM  

somedude210: ah goddamn, another Millenial-bashing thread? Really?

Before we start can we at least agree that Millenials didn't want the whole "participation ribbon" thing and that was their parents who felt they needed to have their precious snowflake recognized for every stupid, mundane thing they did ever? Can we accept that now because that's how it was/is?


I'mokwiththis.jpg
 
2014-09-02 10:08:02 AM  
So basically the kids wised up and figured out that playing straight and working hard just means you get screwed? Sounds smart to me,not stupid.
 
2014-09-02 10:19:48 AM  
Let's focus on what we're told we should hate about each other and not on the vast majority of things we have in common

/demonize, divide, and conquer
//it's what your corporate masters want
 
2014-09-02 10:56:34 AM  
Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.
 
2014-09-02 10:57:16 AM  
Sounds smart to me,not stupid.

Until you're the one they screw.
I expect a lot of firings over ethical issues in the coming decades.
 
2014-09-02 10:58:25 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Let's focus on what we're told we should hate about each other and not on the vast majority of things we have in common

/demonize, divide, and conquer
//it's what your corporate masters want


And your political masters, and your religious masters.

Et cetera, et cetera.
 
2014-09-02 10:59:16 AM  
I submitted this with the same headline.
 
2014-09-02 11:00:02 AM  
The important thing is that we, the working schlubs in the trenches, have been able to identify an "us" and a "them".  Now that we all have a "team", we can concentrate on that fight and stop worrying about pesky systemic problems.
 
2014-09-02 11:00:16 AM  
I'm the one that came up with this headline, but subby stole it from me.
 
2014-09-02 11:01:45 AM  

somedude210: ah goddamn, another Millenial-bashing thread? Really?

Before we start can we at least agree that Millenials didn't want the whole "participation ribbon" thing and that was their parents who felt they needed to have their precious snowflake recognized for every stupid, mundane thing they did ever? Can we accept that now because that's how it was/is?


They were kids, it didn't matter what they wanted. But now it's what they've come to expect.
 
2014-09-02 11:02:13 AM  

ImperialHazman: I submitted this with the same headline.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-09-02 11:02:29 AM  

somedude210: ah goddamn, another Millenial-bashing thread? Really?

Before we start can we at least agree that Millenials didn't want the whole "participation ribbon" thing and that was their parents who felt they needed to have their precious snowflake recognized for every stupid, mundane thing they did ever? Can we accept that now because that's how it was/is?


Well, yeah...if we can also accept that it did f*ck up that generation.
 
2014-09-02 11:03:34 AM  

Weaver95: So basically the kids wised up and figured out that playing straight and working hard just means you get screwed? Sounds smart to me,not stupid.


Well, I know it was a rude awakening for me.
 
2014-09-02 11:04:35 AM  

Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.


Assuming they mean anyone who will attain those ages this year, that would be anyone born between 1978 and 1995.

You know, because kids that grew up watching He-Man, GI Joe, and Sha-Na-Na and bopping to The Bee Gees on 8-track can so totally relate to kids who grew up with Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, TRL, and the DC Animated Timmverse, with an iPod full of Napster-provided tunes.

I'm 33 next month, and damn if I know anyone my age who would self-define as a "millennial".

// on of my high school classmates' sons bar mitzvahs was recently
// HE'S closer to millennial age than his mom is
 
2014-09-02 11:05:44 AM  

Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.


What is the Millenial age group?
 
2014-09-02 11:05:53 AM  
The people born in the same ten-fifteen year period as I was are far superior to the group of people born in the same time increment you were.
 
2014-09-02 11:07:04 AM  

lindalouwho: And boomers still have to work. They are not the 1%, ya know.


Tough. They had their chance. They had their time. Now they're just in the way.
 
2014-09-02 11:07:11 AM  

lindalouwho: some are still supporting their 30 year old kids who can't get jobs after college


...

Well, I guess that evens out, then.
 
2014-09-02 11:08:54 AM  
Hey, finally a millennial description I fit.

I was at work yesterday and Sunday, so I'm getting a real kick out of the workaholic bit.
 
2014-09-02 11:09:30 AM  
And once again the Gen-Xers are left out entirely.

The Sidelined Generation.
 
2014-09-02 11:09:40 AM  
I'd be shocked to discover that Millennials weren't cut-throat.  I mean, look at the corporate culture they must survive in -- basically, a bunch of Boomer CEO's that make 500X more their average employee.  Hell, as a Gen Xer, at least crap was a little bit more reasonable when we were growing up.  True, we're an apathetic bunch, but we had playgrounds to romp in that Boomers didn't even know existed (see internet).  The millennials have no choice but to live in the world where the Boomers designed all the rules.  They can't even get a college education without going completely broke.
 
2014-09-02 11:10:13 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

Assuming they mean anyone who will attain those ages this year, that would be anyone born between 1978 and 1995.

You know, because kids that grew up watching He-Man, GI Joe, and Sha-Na-Na and bopping to The Bee Gees on 8-track can so totally relate to kids who grew up with Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, TRL, and the DC Animated Timmverse, with an iPod full of Napster-provided tunes.

I'm 33 next month, and damn if I know anyone my age who would self-define as a "millennial".

// on of my high school classmates' sons bar mitzvahs was recently
// HE'S closer to millennial age than his mom is


I'm 35, and I sure as hell can't relate to most people who are in their early to mid 20s.  My girlfriend is a millenial, although thankfully she doesn't really identify with many in her age group either.
 
2014-09-02 11:10:20 AM  
x2.fjcdn.com

I learned it from watching you!
 
2014-09-02 11:10:28 AM  

Weaver95: So basically the kids wised up and figured out that playing straight and working hard just means you get screwed? Sounds smart to me,not stupid.


Self fulfilling prophecy?
"Study" after "study" like this says millenials are entitled, lazy, and worthless. How long does any smart, honest kid labor before he realizes he's judged this way no matter the work he'd put forth? And how long after that does he stop caring about being smart and honest in the work he does?

I mean, hell, I know the feeling. Worked my ass for an internship seven hours away from where I was living before. Had to leave the wife for six months and work a second job to pay my bills and help with hers. In six months time, scored a full time gig, moved the wife in finally,  and in another three months had a promotion. Then the company I worked for got a new VP and outsourced the whole thing to Eastern Europe. Went in to work one day to find out we had no jobs. Save your work. Turn in your security badges. Get the hell out.
 
2014-09-02 11:10:28 AM  

Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.


The age range on it keeps getting larger and larger doesn't it.

/28
//definitely don't fit in with my supposed "generational group"
 
2014-09-02 11:10:38 AM  
Minor detail: way too many boomers thought that social security was going to provide in their golden years, and now found due to goverment malfeasance they do not have enough to live on to retire.  So Mexican stand-off between boomers and everyone else, they ain't retiring.   Making even less jobs available.  Checkmate.
 
2014-09-02 11:10:52 AM  

ArtosRC: lindalouwho: And boomers still have to work. They are not the 1%, ya know.

Tough. They had their chance. They had their time. Now they're just in the way.


If employment is a zero-sum game, and it sure seems to be, well... then they must deserve the jobs more than younger people.

Because they have the jobs.

Really, the only way millennials can compete with people already established in the workforce is on price.  The only reason to hire a less experienced worker is because they are cheap.

And boomers are also willing to work cheap.  So, there's that.
 
2014-09-02 11:12:22 AM  
Ah, the luxury of the old - attempting to define younger people into nice one-size-fits-all boxes that contain just the right amount of prejudice and disdain to make them feel better about themselves by comparison.
 
2014-09-02 11:12:46 AM  

Slaxl: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

What is the Millenial age group?


There is nothing "official." Anytime someone tries to define it they pull numbers out of their backside.
 
2014-09-02 11:14:26 AM  

lousyskater: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

The age range on it keeps getting larger and larger doesn't it.

/28
//definitely don't fit in with my supposed "generational group"


IMO, 9/11 is a dividing line. If you graduated before then, and remember life without an internet connection, you are not a Millennial.
 
2014-09-02 11:15:57 AM  
At least y'all have a generation, I'm 37 and pretty sure I belong to none of these, we're the "between the cracks" generation.
 
2014-09-02 11:16:04 AM  
The Worst Generation is complaining about Millennials again?
 
2014-09-02 11:16:16 AM  

Slaxl: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

What is the Millenial age group?


I can't give you the exact cut off, but it sure as hell doesn't include people who are in their 30s in my opinion.  If I had to draw a line, I'd say if you grew up as a young kid in the 80s then you're Gen X/Y or whatever, and if you were just a baby and if you grew up in the 90s you're a millenial.  I watched the Challenger blow up on live tv in the library at school, I knew what was going on when the Berlin wall came down and the Soviet Union broke up.  I guess I have this bad perception of the stereotypes applied to millenials (some based on personal experience with "kids" in that generation) and I sure as shiat don't want to be lumped in with them.
 
2014-09-02 11:17:38 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

Assuming they mean anyone who will attain those ages this year, that would be anyone born between 1978 and 1995.

You know, because kids that grew up watching He-Man, GI Joe, and Sha-Na-Na and bopping to The Bee Gees on 8-track can so totally relate to kids who grew up with Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, TRL, and the DC Animated Timmverse, with an iPod full of Napster-provided tunes.

I'm 33 next month, and damn if I know anyone my age who would self-define as a "millennial".

// on of my high school classmates' sons bar mitzvahs was recently
// HE'S closer to millennial age than his mom is


It's the communication and digital age that makes the difference.  The kids born in 78 would have Nintendo in their formative years (released 1985 in the US and spread like WILDFIRE), Cable television, VHS, cassette recording, instant photography, and a dozen other things in the 80s that are now on an iPhone.

Even if you argue that not every house had those things, those kids were EXPOSED to them almost universally.  Though, I like the 1980 dividing line better.

Behind that is the generation with the cell phone revolution.  The concept of not being able to get a phone call is completely foreign to them.
 
2014-09-02 11:17:38 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Self fulfilling prophecy?
"Study" after "study" like this says millenials are entitled, lazy, and worthless.


"Kids these days..." -every adult, ever

I'd say that's part of becoming an adult, actually: "I used to be with it, but then they changed what *it* was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's *it* seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too." -Abe "Grampa" Simpson

// another good gauge of adulthood - when you start really getting the second level of humor in kids' media
// not the innuendos, the cynicism about (their) kids
 
2014-09-02 11:17:42 AM  
Millennials are the victims of creeping narcissism.  One could argue about the source or cause of the narcissism - it certainly didn't start with millenials - but one can't deny the effects.  The attitude is that they are entitled to success, rather than being entitled to a fair opportunity to strive for success.  This has come from a lot of sources:  government, schools, parents.  Fairness has been re-defined as equal achievement of happiness, not equal opportunity to pursue happiness.  Their parents' and grandparents' generations have taught them that they exist, therefore they deserve.  They have been taught that if they don't win, it's not they didn't play as well; it's because the other guy must have cheated.

Certainly not every millenial has that attitude.  I know a great many of them who don't feel entitled to anything but the opportunity to work their butts off and make it or fail on their own merits.  But they are not the majority.  Those who do work hard look down on and pity those who think they are "owed" any measure of success.  They are also the ones who will, eventually, be in charge.
 
2014-09-02 11:18:31 AM  
Hey kid.  If you want to last around here, watch and learn.  First, that guy who is your immediate supervisor?  Fark him.  He's retired in place and don't give two wiffs of a stinky fart what goes on around here.  Go to Mr. Peterman.  I know he's the boss's boss.  Go to him for everything.  The guy is a micromanager and will appreciate you 'coordinating' everything with him.

Now, be sure to take advantage of the flex time policy.  It's not in the handbooks but they really support it.  Come in when you want, go when you want.  Two hour lunches are cool.  If you don't make 40 hours this week, try to make it up next week.  They trust you.  We're a family.  Why, yes that does include taking home office supplies and using the office printer for non work related stuff.  The printer's on a contract.  We pay for it whether we use it or not.

Oh, and you didn't hear this from me, but Brittany in Accounting is all mad in craze for you.  She's telling everyone if you ever catch her in the supplies closet, Go. For. It.  Grab some and hang on, sonny.  I hear she's a minx.

Although he did not put it on his resume, at his short time at this job, the kid learned that old age and treachery will beat youth and enthusiasm every time.
 
2014-09-02 11:18:37 AM  

Superjew: And once again the Gen-Xers are left out entirely.

The Sidelined Generation.


Came to say exactly this. No good jobs for us because the boomers had them all and weren't going anywhere.
 
2014-09-02 11:18:57 AM  
every gen looks on the next and says..lazy!
my problem is that some of the little kids I used to throw around in the pool
are now..

img.fark.net
 
2014-09-02 11:19:48 AM  

lousyskater: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

The age range on it keeps getting larger and larger doesn't it.

/28
//definitely don't fit in with my supposed "generational group"


Yeah, it seems like a relatively new term and now they're back-dating it to apply to some of us older young folks.  My back hurts right now, get off my lawn, article.
 
2014-09-02 11:21:59 AM  

Carn: Slaxl: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

What is the Millenial age group?

I can't give you the exact cut off, but it sure as hell doesn't include people who are in their 30s in my opinion.  If I had to draw a line, I'd say if you grew up as a young kid in the 80s then you're Gen X/Y or whatever, and if you were just a baby and if you grew up in the 90s you're a millenial.  I watched the Challenger blow up on live tv in the library at school, I knew what was going on when the Berlin wall came down and the Soviet Union broke up.  I guess I have this bad perception of the stereotypes applied to millenials (some based on personal experience with "kids" in that generation) and I sure as shiat don't want to be lumped in with them.

A fairly easy definition for the beginning of the millennial generation: You graduated high school on, or after the year 2000 - aka, the millennium.
 
2014-09-02 11:22:05 AM  
I feel blessed as a gen x'er. I see how some boomers screwed themselves over, and see how the millennials are getting screwed over.

I plan my future accordingly. I live within my means, and take on very little debt. I was able to talk my wife out of buying into the RE bubble.

I have no corporate loyalty, though I've been with the same company since 2001. I don't expect to retire from here: every year there are cuts and eventually I will be one of the folks walking to the station with my personals in a shopping bag.

Know what? I almost look forward to that day, but until then I will keep taking the paycheck while playing the game of advancing my career. It is liberating, this apathy.
 
2014-09-02 11:22:55 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: They were kids, it didn't matter what they wanted. But now it's what they've come to expect.


As a Millenial, I've never expected a "good job! *pats head*" from my boss. If anything, all the demonization from the older generations about how terrible Millenials are has made me incredibly pessimistic about being treated nicely that when we do get a compliment from a coworker or boss (or hell, anyone) we question it and assume there's a catch. Congrats, your generation f*cked us over and now blame us for faults only you see. Thanks a lot, assholes.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Well, yeah...if we can also accept that it did f*ck up that generation.


what? Demonizing an entire generation by painting them as worthless, lazy, shiftless riff-raff not good enough to be in the same workplace as you? The hell you say!
 
2014-09-02 11:23:25 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

Assuming they mean anyone who will attain those ages this year, that would be anyone born between 1978 and 1995.

You know, because kids that grew up watching He-Man, GI Joe, and Sha-Na-Na and bopping to The Bee Gees on 8-track can so totally relate to kids who grew up with Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, TRL, and the DC Animated Timmverse, with an iPod full of Napster-provided tunes.

I'm 33 next month, and damn if I know anyone my age who would self-define as a "millennial".

// on of my high school classmates' sons bar mitzvahs was recently
// HE'S closer to millennial age than his mom is


If you're 33 you're on the fence between Gen X and Millennial. If you had relatively little interaction with social media as you came into adulthood then you're probably more on the Gen X side.

Bear in mind - the Boomer generation spans almost 20 years, a good portion of Boomers were in college or Vietnam while others from their cohort were still in kindergarten. The generations describe very very generalized conditions in the world at the time people grew up, and the folks at the beginning and end of the groups won't have a huge amount in common.
 
2014-09-02 11:23:45 AM  
The Fark.com peanut gallery, on a Tuesday morning no less, seems like the best place for millennials and boomers to hash out this issue of who's the better worker.
 
2014-09-02 11:24:16 AM  

Carn: lousyskater: Carn: Millennials - defined as anyone between 19 and 36 years old

No.

The age range on it keeps getting larger and larger doesn't it.

/28
//definitely don't fit in with my supposed "generational group"

Yeah, it seems like a relatively new term and now they're back-dating it to apply to some of us older young folks.  My back hurts right now, get off my lawn, article.


I enjoy bashing millennials as much as any other fogey, but I'll better baby boomers were just as likely if not more likely, to back stab their coworkers when they were that age.
 
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