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2014-09-02 08:31:58 AM
I think NASCAR might have. Everyone got these 70" TVs, and the response of the programming was to shrink the actual footage to one quarter of the screen and run ads in the other 3/4. If football and baseball have done similar, then they're going to eat themselves. Especially if that's in the sports bar feed, where they've taken advantage of the giant 4k TVs to run four programs at once.
 
2014-09-02 11:00:59 AM
I think the term "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark
 
2014-09-02 11:04:07 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I think the term "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark


At least here on Fark.
 
2014-09-02 11:07:22 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I think the term "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark

At least here on Fark.



There once was a website called Fark,
Where users posted their snark.
It updated its policy
To stamp out misogyny
And now people say it jumped the shark.
 
2014-09-02 11:13:07 AM
As a former die hard football fan, It certainly has for me. It just got too hard to put aside all the awful crap surrounding the game and its culture to be able to enjoy it anymore.
 
2014-09-02 11:13:37 AM
I roll with Mark Cuban on this topic
 
2014-09-02 11:15:19 AM
It's very clear that the NFL is to concussions what tobacco companies were to cancer. They knew the info and spent lots of time and effort suppressing it. There is reasonable argument to be made to try and stop organized football before the age of majority, because kids can't give informed consent before risking their bodies, but good luck getting rid of high school football.

Now that the information regarding concussions is out there, if we allow pro boxers and UFC guys to get beat up for a living, I see no reason to stop football players who get beat up for a living. Also, hopefully with new regulations like not putting a clearly concussed guy back on the field, new helmet technology, and broader awareness of concussion symptoms, hopefully the number of players who are affected will drop significantly.
 
2014-09-02 11:15:46 AM

Arkanaut: Jim from Saint Paul: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I think the term "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark

At least here on Fark.


There once was a website called Fark,
Where users posted their snark.
It updated its policy
To stamp out misogyny
And now people say it jumped the shark.


Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
That wasn't what I was talking about
I want to tell girls funny stories and get to know them in a timely and respectful manner
 
2014-09-02 11:17:32 AM
I think football is in a very similar position to where boxing was in the early 70s. It's still king, but I think we will see more and more parents discouraging their children from participating in the game.

Combine that with the fact that attending an NFL game is an exercise in frustration, and while watching at home might be better, it's still 3 hours of commercials, and I could see football becoming more of a niche game.
 
j4x
2014-09-02 11:20:53 AM
Just remove the damn pads already and take notes from rugby on how to tackle properly.
 
j4x
2014-09-02 11:21:34 AM
Fantasy football is ruining the NFL as well
 
2014-09-02 11:22:26 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Arkanaut: Jim from Saint Paul: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: I think the term "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark

At least here on Fark.


There once was a website called Fark,
Where users posted their snark.
It updated its policy
To stamp out misogyny
And now people say it jumped the shark.

Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
That wasn't what I was talking about
I want to tell girls funny stories and get to know them in a timely and respectful manner


I was just working with what rhymes.
 
2014-09-02 11:25:08 AM
If you have a kid playing full contact football under the age of 16, you're a moran.

The NFL is still among my favorite sports, but I rarely watch a non Eagles game these days.

Pace of play sucks and the rules are way too complicated (not to understand, but the excruciating application of them via the review system).
 
2014-09-02 11:28:06 AM

nmrsnr: It's very clear that the NFL is to concussions what tobacco companies were to cancer. They knew the info and spent lots of time and effort suppressing it. There is reasonable argument to be made to try and stop organized football before the age of majority, because kids can't give informed consent before risking their bodies, but good luck getting rid of high school football.

Now that the information regarding concussions is out there, if we allow pro boxers and UFC guys to get beat up for a living, I see no reason to stop football players who get beat up for a living. Also, hopefully with new regulations like not putting a clearly concussed guy back on the field, new helmet technology, and broader awareness of concussion symptoms, hopefully the number of players who are affected will drop significantly.


The only way to reduce concussions will be to completely overhall what a legal tackle is and to reduce the armour worn. The problems at the moment is that the armour is so good and what is a legal tackle is so loose that players just dive like a missile at the opponent without any heed to themselves never mind the opposition player. If players were forced to get their heads out of the way in a tackle for it to be legal the amount of low level brain damage would be massively reduced.

But that would be shot down by the hurr durr moden day gladiator crowd that is very vocal. I would love to see what a game of American Football would be like with rugby like padding and tackling rules. I expect it would be a better athletic contest but would have less of the raw violence that is currently seen
 
2014-09-02 11:30:22 AM

Rascal King: As a former die hard football fan, It certainly has for me. It just got too hard to put aside all the awful crap surrounding the game and its culture to be able to enjoy it anymore.


So you're not even fascinated by the prospect of where Tim Tebow will end up?

I'm guessing you're the type of person who doesn't even stand up and salute when there's a military flyover. Hell, you probably don't even Support the TroopsTM.
 
2014-09-02 11:34:02 AM
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2014-09-02 11:35:30 AM

Norfolking Chance: The only way to reduce concussions will be to completely overhall what a legal tackle is and to reduce the armour worn.


I'm not sure that's true. You can't lead with the helmet any more, nor can you got for a high tackle. We haven't been keeping statistics for that long, but I'd be surprised if those rules had absolutely no effect in reducing concussions. At least taking someone out for a week after they've got a concussion will help reduce compounding concussions.

The problems at the moment is that the armour is so good and what is a legal tackle is so loose that players just dive like a missile at the opponent without any heed to themselves never mind the opposition player.

I'd need to see some serious data that supports this before I believe that little padding led to fewer concussions than more padding. I understand the argument, just not sure I buy it.

If players were forced to get their heads out of the way in a tackle for it to be legal the amount of low level brain damage would be massively reduced.

I'd also like to see how concussions in American football compare with rugby to see if the occurrence of concussion in that sport really is dramatically lower, or they just haven't gotten to the same point of caring yet.
 
j4x
2014-09-02 11:43:38 AM
Remove helmets and pads

Have to wrap up and bring someone to the ground

No running full speed into someone just to hit them and knock them down, must wrap up.
 
2014-09-02 11:44:19 AM
Have we reached Maximum Thug Ball?

You know like the NBA did with that shoe commercial "You come hard or you don't come at all"?

/yeah, thanks to the Cardinals I gave up on NFL a long time ago. You don't see much more in a Cardinals game than big fat butts ballooning up in a three point squat.
 
2014-09-02 11:44:51 AM
Not yet, but it's getting close. Wait a few years when no contact above the shoulders is the rule.
 
j4x
2014-09-02 11:45:05 AM
And doesn't most of the data show that the damage is caused by constant, medium amounts of contact like the offensive and defensive line hitting each other play after play rather than just being big, concussive hits causing everything?
 
2014-09-02 11:53:13 AM
I don't believe the Fonz ever played football, so No, it has not done what the writer suggests.
 
2014-09-02 11:54:11 AM

nmrsnr: I'm not sure that's true. You can't lead with the helmet any more, nor can you got for a high tackle. We haven't been keeping statistics for that long, but I'd be surprised if those rules had absolutely no effect in reducing concussions. At least taking someone out for a week after they've got a concussion will help reduce compounding concussions.


On every single play, during thousands of practices around the world, there are very large men standing 1 foot from each other who slam face first into each other.

There are LBs hitting RBs at full speed, both suddenly stopping.


That is the problem.  Not concussions.
 
2014-09-02 11:55:55 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Have we reached Maximum Thug Ball?

You know like the NBA did with that shoe commercial "You come hard or you don't come at all"?

/yeah, thanks to the Cardinals I gave up on NFL a long time ago. You don't see much more in a Cardinals game than big fat butts ballooning up in a three point squat.


It's the white pants, man. Everyone knows that's a no-no after Labor Day.
 
2014-09-02 12:00:32 PM

Rascal King: As a former die hard football fan, It certainly has for me. It just got too hard to put aside all the awful crap surrounding the game and its culture to be able to enjoy it anymore.


The entire enterprise is dedicated to the next commercial break.
 
2014-09-02 12:02:37 PM
Arkanaut:

There once was a website called Fark,
Where users posted their snark.
It updated its policy
To stamp out misogyny
And now people say it jumped the shark.


I know it can be a hard fight
Getting whimsical poetry *just* right
The easiest move
To help yours improve
Just make sure the meter is tight
 
2014-09-02 12:04:18 PM

jpo2269: I don't believe the Fonz ever played football, so No, it has not done what the writer suggests.


He tried but he couldn't make weight.

1.bp.blogspot.com

/the Bronz Fonz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Fonz
 
2014-09-02 12:04:23 PM

MugzyBrown: On every single play, during thousands of practices around the world, there are very large men standing 1 foot from each other who slam face first into each other.

There are LBs hitting RBs at full speed, both suddenly stopping.


That is the problem. Not concussions.


So... Football is the problem with football? Not the injuries?

Sumo wrestling also has very large men standing a foot away from each other slamming face first into each other.
 
2014-09-02 12:05:18 PM
Have we reached Maximum Thug Ball?

That was in the seventies. We've been headed in the exact opposite direction since then.
 
2014-09-02 12:06:31 PM

nmrsnr: So... Football is the problem with football? Not the injuries?

Sumo wrestling also has very large men standing a foot away from each other slamming face first into each other.



You probably should read about how sub concussive events are causing people's brains to turn to mush.
 
2014-09-02 12:09:52 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Have we reached Maximum Thug Ball?


The NFL is less thuggish now than it's ever been, both on and off the field.
 
2014-09-02 12:14:17 PM
The nice thing about being a Detroit fan is that you don't have to pay much attention to football, so if the whole sport disappeared then I don't think I would miss it.
 
2014-09-02 12:17:32 PM
You probably should read about how sub concussive events are causing people's brains to turn to mush.


You should read all about how  the sport rewards you with fame and millions of dollars for participating in a voluntary activity
 
2014-09-02 12:17:53 PM

MugzyBrown: You probably should read about how sub concussive events are causing people's brains to turn to mush.


In that case, so does hockey, and soccer, and rugby, and boxing, and UFC, and auto racing, and even baseball to some extent (running in to the wall for outfielders).

There are probably many more, but those are the big ones off the top of my head.
 
2014-09-02 12:24:44 PM

nmrsnr: In that case, so does hockey, and soccer, and rugby, and boxing, and UFC, and auto racing, and even baseball to some extent (running in to the wall for outfielders).

There are probably many more, but those are the big ones off the top of my head.


hockey, boxing and UFC.  Yeah. not that tough to figure out.  In fact, they've named a disease after the last 2 there.

One-off events like baseball and soccer don't really hit the mark.

How many times does a soccer player get knocked in the head a game, even if you consider a headed ball, 10 max?

How many times does a LB hit a blocker or a ball carrier at a high rate of speed? 30? 40? Easily.

Hockey seems to have a bigger problem with their fighters than every day players.
 
2014-09-02 12:32:27 PM
Offensive lineman get debilitating brain injuries after their playing careers.  With very very few exceptions, offensive linemen are not involved in any major hits that people generally think about when discussing these injuries.  Their brain injuries are caused by the repetitive low level hits that occur on every play, and essentially cannot be legislated out of football.
 
2014-09-02 12:43:58 PM
Jiro,

I had heard that rumor, but never wanted to believe it...  Also, thanks for sharing the "Bronze Fonz..."  pretty sweet.
 
2014-09-02 12:48:58 PM

Trapper439: Rascal King: As a former die hard football fan, It certainly has for me. It just got too hard to put aside all the awful crap surrounding the game and its culture to be able to enjoy it anymore.

So you're not even fascinated by the prospect of where Tim Tebow will end up?

I'm guessing you're the type of person who doesn't even stand up and salute when there's a military flyover. Hell, you probably don't even Support the TroopsTM.



Not Tebow, no. Michael Sam, yes.

The Military fetishism surrounding the NFL is particularly bad, but it wears me out in all of the sports.  Doesn't really stop me from attending (I'm a NBA season ticket holder, go to a lot of baseball games, and have recently started going to MLS matches) but it does bother me.

I'm never quite sure what people mean by support the troops either. I support keeping them alive and out of harms way and providing them education, benefits, and as good physical and metal health care on the home front. But none of that ever seems to be what people mean by 'support our troops' ya know?
 
2014-09-02 12:52:25 PM
MugzyBrown: How many times does a soccer player get knocked in the head a game, even if you consider a headed ball, 10 max?

Huh? Every player on the team except the keeper heads the ball more than 10 times a match, easily. Plus, every time there's a free or corner kick, a bunch of heads get knocked together. Plus, heading the ball is practiced all the time in training.

I know the image among most American sports fan is "Hah hah, soccer players are diving pussies", but that's simply not true. West Brom's Jeff Astle was described when he died as a "59 year old who could have been 109".

/NFL will go to no pads or helmets within 20 years
//Go Colts
 
2014-09-02 12:58:28 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: The nice thing about being a Detroit fan is that you don't have to pay much attention to football, so if the whole sport disappeared then I don't think I would miss it.


You could have said the same thing about the NHL in Chicago for a lot of years, things can change very quickly.
 
rka
2014-09-02 01:00:24 PM

nmrsnr: I'd also like to see how concussions in American football compare with rugby to see if the occurrence of concussion in that sport really is dramatically lower, or they just haven't gotten to the same point of caring yet.


Rugby's head is stuck so far in the sand on this issue that they can't even get enough people to volunteer for a true study. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/16/sports/rugby/rugby-wants-to-study- co ncussions-but-few-want-to-participate.html?_r=0

Anyone who claims that NFL football should emulate rugby because they don't have concussions is either lying or ignorant. They don't even know the extent of the issue yet in rugby because they can't even manage a study on it.

nmrsnr: So... Football is the problem with football?


Pretty much. Everyone is frantically trying to come up with a rule tweak or something they can put in a memo and claim "look we fixed concussions! yay! now we can continue making billions!" or "yay! Now I can sit in front of the TV and not have to think about how these guys are killing themselves for my entertainment! My conscience is clear!"

The truth is much messier than that. There is no rule tweak. There is nothing you can make a "point of emphasis". It's the nature of the sport itself that is causing this.
 
2014-09-02 01:00:30 PM
How many kids had their football careers ended in week one of College Football?

And how many people care?
 
2014-09-02 01:06:53 PM

j4x: Fantasy football is ruining the NFL as well


How? I've only participated in FF for two years, and it's made me a lot more knowledgeable about players from other teams. I'm also more interested in more games than I used to be.
 
2014-09-02 01:09:41 PM

j4x: Fantasy football is ruining the NFL as well


Is it me, or does it feel like fantasy football is cresting?  It feels like the moment is over, it's still popular, but like the big poker craze several years ago, its big days are behind it.
 
2014-09-02 01:10:58 PM

nmrsnr: Norfolking Chance: The only way to reduce concussions will be to completely overhall what a legal tackle is and to reduce the armour worn.

I'm not sure that's true. You can't lead with the helmet any more, nor can you got for a high tackle. We haven't been keeping statistics for that long, but I'd be surprised if those rules had absolutely no effect in reducing concussions. At least taking someone out for a week after they've got a concussion will help reduce compounding concussions.

The problems at the moment is that the armour is so good and what is a legal tackle is so loose that players just dive like a missile at the opponent without any heed to themselves never mind the opposition player.

I'd need to see some serious data that supports this before I believe that little padding led to fewer concussions than more padding. I understand the argument, just not sure I buy it.

If players were forced to get their heads out of the way in a tackle for it to be legal the amount of low level brain damage would be massively reduced.

I'd also like to see how concussions in American football compare with rugby to see if the occurrence of concussion in that sport really is dramatically lower, or they just haven't gotten to the same point of caring yet.


He means players hit one another too hard.  Regardless whether it's helmet-to-helmet, the brain inside its braincase often gets jarred and smushed around with those big hits.
 
rka
2014-09-02 01:12:34 PM

skrame: j4x: Fantasy football is ruining the NFL as well

How? I've only participated in FF for two years, and it's made me a lot more knowledgeable about players from other teams. I'm also more interested in more games than I used to be.


Because it contributes to the oversaturation of the sport. It's not enough to talk about the games and players themselves anymore, now we have to have all of that + 6 days of everyone talking about their damn fantasy team. Who should I draft? Who should I sit? What defense should I play? And you don't even have to know a thing about football to play it. So not only is there 24x7 chatter around the NFL, 99% of it is misinformed garbage.

Couple that in with the non-stop draft analysis that starts at the end of the college season and you literally can't turn off football if you watch/listen to any sport channel anymore.
 
2014-09-02 01:12:58 PM

Rascal King: Trapper439: Rascal King: As a former die hard football fan, It certainly has for me. It just got too hard to put aside all the awful crap surrounding the game and its culture to be able to enjoy it anymore.

So you're not even fascinated by the prospect of where Tim Tebow will end up?

I'm guessing you're the type of person who doesn't even stand up and salute when there's a military flyover. Hell, you probably don't even Support the TroopsTM.


Not Tebow, no. Michael Sam, yes.

The Military fetishism surrounding the NFL is particularly bad, but it wears me out in all of the sports.  Doesn't really stop me from attending (I'm a NBA season ticket holder, go to a lot of baseball games, and have recently started going to MLS matches) but it does bother me.

I'm never quite sure what people mean by support the troops either. I support keeping them alive and out of harms way and providing them education, benefits, and as good physical and metal health care on the home front. But none of that ever seems to be what people mean by 'support our troops' ya know?


It rankles me to see yet another beer corporation or some other corporate entity blitz ads with soldiers coming home. It feel so exploitative, both of audience and of soldier, it makes me sick. Clydesdale at the airport terminal, taking a knee to some guys in uniform.  Give me a farking break.

I lived in the UK for a couple years (Glasgow) and still recall how a local university ran the military recruiters off campus howling for mercy.  That would never happen in the US, where we suck the military's cock every chance we get for some stupid reason.
 
2014-09-02 01:16:21 PM

j4x: Fantasy football is ruining the NFL as well


Yeah! ESPECIALLY with how it's affecting games in any way shape or form.

Solid post.
 
2014-09-02 01:17:20 PM

j4x: Fantasy football is ruining the NFL as well


How? It makes fans invested in more teams and players than before.

The NFL's biggest problem is that the experience at home is vastly superior to going to the actual games at this point. I went to a game at Lambeau last week and kept getting annoyed that keeping track of who was on the field was damn near impossible minus commentary and graphics, not to mention the concession prices- and it's the only place where you can park in front of someone's house for free and walk to the game. I'd rather sit at home, invite my friends over, BBQ, and watch the game on my 70" and sound system.
 
2014-09-02 01:17:52 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I lived in the UK for a couple years (Glasgow) and still recall how a local university ran the military recruiters off campus howling for mercy.  That would never happen in the US, where we suck the military's cock every chance we get for some stupid reason.


Sh*t, those are jobs they can say graduates got and boost their percentages in the recruiting literature.
 
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