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(Huffington Post UK)   Putin ups the ante by telling European Commission that "I Can Take Kiev In Two Weeks If I Want"   (huffingtonpost.co.uk) divider line 317
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2014-09-02 12:19:02 AM  
Just like Chechnya, right?
 
2014-09-02 01:01:54 AM  
Ok, it's 1:00am east coast time. How many hours until John McCain is on the tv telling us we need to bomb someone?
 
2014-09-02 01:24:50 AM  
2 weeks...probly...The better question is "Can he keep it?"
 
2014-09-02 01:35:55 AM  
Well...GO ON DO IT...TAKE KIEVE... WHAT ARE YOU CHICKEN?

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2014-09-02 01:50:51 AM  

Notabunny: Ok, it's 1:00am east coast time. How many hours until John McCain is on the tv telling us we need to bomb someone?


Probably by 9:30 AM EDT.
 
2014-09-02 01:58:23 AM  
Yeah, I calling him on it.  Putin is fullashiat.
 
2014-09-02 02:36:20 AM  
Putin == Kim Jong Un with a better PR department.
 
2014-09-02 02:38:23 AM  

Polartank13: 2 weeks...probly...The better question is "Can he keep it?"


Don't challenge him - he might accept it.  Pray that he doesn't accept it any more.

I haven't caught up on the latest, but is he still denying that there are Russian troops in Ukraine?

Nobody believes that, Putin.
 
2014-09-02 02:38:51 AM  

bluorangefyre: Notabunny: Ok, it's 1:00am east coast time. How many hours until John McCain is on the tv telling us we need to bomb someone?

Probably by 9:30 AM EDT.


Those old guys tend to wake up really early.. but it may take him a little while to find someone with a camera that'll pay attention to him.
 
2014-09-02 02:39:43 AM  

bluorangefyre: Notabunny: Ok, it's 1:00am east coast time. How many hours until John McCain is on the tv telling us we need to bomb someone?

Probably by 9:30 AM EDT.


That late? I thought that as a crotchety old geezer he was up before the crack of dawn to get his chair ready on the porch to yell at kids...
 
2014-09-02 02:42:07 AM  

gfid: Polartank13: 2 weeks...probly...The better question is "Can he keep it?"

Don't challenge him - he might accept it.  Pray that he doesn't accept it any more.

I haven't caught up on the latest, but is he still denying that there are Russian troops in Ukraine?

Nobody believes that, Putin.


NO they are just ignoring any questions about that now, and have gone on to demanding talk between kiev and the seperatists and the establishment of a federalised state of 'novorussia' (I keed you not)
 
2014-09-02 02:42:31 AM  

Iczer: bluorangefyre: Notabunny: Ok, it's 1:00am east coast time. How many hours until John McCain is on the tv telling us we need to bomb someone?

Probably by 9:30 AM EDT.

That late? I thought that as a crotchety old geezer he was up before the crack of dawn to get his chair ready on the porch to yell at kids...


PANCAKES!
 
2014-09-02 02:45:42 AM  
He can take Kiev in 2 weeks, but he won't keep it that way because the world will flip out.  A much better long term play is exactly what he's doing - streaming in Russian military and weapons over the border and slowly grabbing territory under the auspices of a "rebellion".

Putin scares me way more than ISIS.  ISIS is a brighter burning flame, but they clearly can't build a lasting government of any sort and will collapse soon.  Putin is a proven world leader who is revered by his people, even while he blatantly overtakes another sovereign country.  Now THAT is scary.
 
2014-09-02 02:49:18 AM  
So what.  I can make chicken Kiev in about 2 hours and I don't even have to leave the house.
 
2014-09-02 02:49:39 AM  

balloot: He can take Kiev in 2 weeks, but he won't keep it that way because the world will flip out.  A much better long term play is exactly what he's doing - streaming in Russian military and weapons over the border and slowly grabbing territory under the auspices of a "rebellion".

Putin scares me way more than ISIS.  ISIS is a brighter burning flame, but they clearly can't build a lasting government of any sort and will collapse soon.  Putin is a proven world leader who is revered by his people, even while he blatantly overtakes another sovereign country.  Now THAT is scary.


As other farkers have pointed out, Putin's already lost.  Sanctions are hurting Russia badly, and it's really just a question of how much damage Putin does before he falls.
 
2014-09-02 02:53:39 AM  
He can take it.  He might even be able to keep it.  I dont see the world being willing to actually fight him over it.  Instead they would isolate Russia from the world.  But hey guess what?  China will help Russia.  In the end...China will enable Russia to take Ukraine if Putin wants it.
 
2014-09-02 02:54:22 AM  

balloot: t way because the world will flip out.  A much better long term play is exactly what he's doing - streaming in Russian military and weapons over the border and slowly grabbing territory under the auspices of a "rebellion".

Putin scares me way more than ISIS.  ISIS is a brighter burning flame, but they clearly can't build a lasting government of any sort and will collapse soon.  Putin is a proven world leader who is revered by his people, even while he blatantly overtakes another sovereign country.  Now


Except he's not revered. Just feared. 

This is nothing new for Russia. All the way back to the Kievan Rus, the idea of parties with black riders(now black license plates) going around "Silencing" people who speak out against them among their own people is a long standing thing in Russia. And Putin is no different. He's basically Stalin, but quieter. All of the "We revere our leader" nonsense is manufactured. They fear speaking it, is all.
 
2014-09-02 02:55:59 AM  
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This kinda Kiev, right?
/Putin is just taking notes from Bond Villains now...
 
2014-09-02 02:56:03 AM  

Alphax: Putin's already lost. Sanctions are hurting Russia badly, and it's really just a question of how much damage Putin does before he falls.


That assumes that Russians view their government through the same lens as Americans. We care deeply about freedom and prosperity. Russians, throughout history, care first and foremost about having a strong central government to stand up against the powers arrayed along Russia's borders. Putin's support within Russian is waxing rather than waning precisely because he is a bully. They will happily live off potatoes and beets for a while if he can convince them that he is protecting them from the US, Poland, China, etc.
 
2014-09-02 02:57:21 AM  
At some point the money backers are going to turn on Putin.

Economic sanctions work.

/And besides, since Norway can't offload their salmon to Russia these days, we get cheap, tasty salmon here in Denmark :)
 
2014-09-02 03:02:12 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Alphax: Putin's already lost. Sanctions are hurting Russia badly, and it's really just a question of how much damage Putin does before he falls.

That assumes that Russians view their government through the same lens as Americans. We care deeply about freedom and prosperity. Russians, throughout history, care first and foremost about having a strong central government to stand up against the powers arrayed along Russia's borders. Putin's support within Russian is waxing rather than waning precisely because he is a bully. They will happily live off potatoes and beets for a while if he can convince them that he is protecting them from the US, Poland, China, etc.


The sanctions target his closest wealthy backers, not the common people.  They're feeling the pain already.
 
2014-09-02 03:04:06 AM  
I can't even describe how much I hate Putin.  All his blustering will end up causing nothing but ruin for everyone, including himself.
If Putin were to actually engage in an all-out open imperialistic war with Ukraine, the simultaneous expense of conducting the war and the withering sanctions we'd collectively impose would devastate the Russian economy so completely, but not before he wrecked Ukraine, killed tons of people, and claimed a bunch of land that he may or may not be able to hold onto.
 
2014-09-02 03:05:03 AM  
What if we tell Russia that Israel called Russia's mom a booger-face?
 
2014-09-02 03:06:51 AM  
If he said that he's something else..not a good thing.

However, Russia can most certainly take on any country. Can it take Kiev in two weeks?

Do I know how to play stupid?
 
2014-09-02 03:10:45 AM  

balloot: Putin is a proven world leader who is revered by his people, even while he blatantly overtakes another sovereign country.


No wonder W liked what he saw when he looked into Pooty-Poot's soul - turns out, they had so much in common!
 
2014-09-02 03:12:22 AM  

walktoanarcade: If he said that he's something else..not a good thing.

However, Russia can most certainly take on any country. Can it take Kiev in two weeks?

Do I know how to play stupid?


Was Jack the Ripper actually a fifty foot sea serpent from Scotland? Did I take this job for a quick buck? We may never know the answers to these questions...
 
2014-09-02 03:12:28 AM  
Well, if he promises to kill someone who is neo-nazi far-right neo-fascist protester who happens to be nazi... And rebuild Lenin statues or few dozen of them... You go, comrade
 
2014-09-02 03:14:01 AM  
I blame Mitt Romney.
 
2014-09-02 03:14:39 AM  
For the sake of my health, I had to give up on the more...elaborate explanations for my positions, at the cost of vanity.

I guess this is how Putin lays out his Russia policy concerning Europe. Tell them the truth in such a clumsy way, they'll never believe it until it's too late for them to understand.

Something about the KGB mindset I've thought of ever since he came to power, but I will admit that I did not think it would really happen. I hope not.
 
2014-09-02 03:17:39 AM  
I don't think Putin, being put there by the KGB can afford to be more...I don't know, talky...less aloof, but the power structure made him and expects him to obey their thuggish fantasies.


Oh please let cooler heads prevail.
 
kg
2014-09-02 03:18:21 AM  
Putin's a little scary.   I wish Russia would find a new President.
 
2014-09-02 03:18:35 AM  

T-Servo: I blame Mitt Romney.


That's weird. I blame Vladimir Putin.
 
2014-09-02 03:22:59 AM  
Why do I think Putin in his heart of hearts would rather not invade Ukraine properly and make Russia look like Germany of the 1930s and 40s?

Maybe I am naive to the bitter end.


Is it the boyish twinkle in his eyes? Or is it the bullcrap of the late 1980s and early 90s through TV that brainwashed me?

...we'll never know until the next episode of Farkin' Bullsheet.
 
2014-09-02 03:28:15 AM  
Taking Crimea farked up Russia's economy. The sanctions afterwards farked it up more.

If Putin thinks he can survive going Full Soviet, he's even dumber than I thought.
 
2014-09-02 03:31:02 AM  

LordJiro: Taking Crimea farked up Russia's economy. The sanctions afterwards farked it up more.

If Putin thinks he can survive going Full Soviet, he's even dumber than I thought.


Well, when you put it that way,  but I think they've been full Soviet behind the scenes, especially militarily, ever since Putin was placed into power.
 
2014-09-02 03:32:16 AM  

gfid: Polartank13: 2 weeks...probly...The better question is "Can he keep it?"

Don't challenge him - he might accept it.  Pray that he doesn't accept it any more.

I haven't caught up on the latest, but is he still denying that there are Russian troops in Ukraine?

Nobody believes that, Putin.


Heard a report on the radio that Moscow's take on Russian soldiers with their ID being captured in eastern Ukraine that they were merely super patriotic soldiers ON THEIR HOLIDAYS taking a few personal days to support their pals in the "uprising".

He actually said it like he expected to be taken seriously. That was the scariest part.

Putin's downfall can not come too soon.
 
2014-09-02 03:34:37 AM  

kg: Putin's a little scary.   I wish Russia would find a new President.


Yakov Smirnoff


*ahem* In his country, stuff happens in reverse.  Don't ban me!
 
2014-09-02 03:37:12 AM  

walktoanarcade: kg: Putin's a little scary.   I wish Russia would find a new President.

Yakov Smirnoff


*ahem* In his country, stuff happens in reverse.  Don't ban me!


Russian Express: 'Don't leave home.'
 
2014-09-02 03:39:33 AM  
I Can Take Kiev In Two Weeks If I Want

Name that tune, Putin.
 
2014-09-02 03:42:07 AM  

walktoanarcade: LordJiro: Taking Crimea farked up Russia's economy. The sanctions afterwards farked it up more.

If Putin thinks he can survive going Full Soviet, he's even dumber than I thought.

Well, when you put it that way,  but I think they've been full Soviet behind the scenes, especially militarily, ever since Putin was placed into power.


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2014-09-02 03:43:44 AM  

Greywar: He can take it.  He might even be able to keep it.  I dont see the world being willing to actually fight him over it.  Instead they would isolate Russia from the world.  But hey guess what?  China will help Russia.  In the end...China will enable Russia to take Ukraine if Putin wants it.


Much like effective sanctions, truly isolating Russia requires the cooperation of countries like Brazil and India. I don't see that happening with current sanctions though outright invasion might change those countries policies.

Frankly, eastern Ukraine is not a prize, it is more of a burden to whomever supports them. Western Ukraine on the other hand is an industrial manufacturing prize. I doubt very strongly there is any Russian desire for eastern Ukraine. These recent comments from Putin are simply distraction in the form of 'if I wanted to invade it would look different'.
 
2014-09-02 03:44:12 AM  

fusillade762: walktoanarcade: LordJiro: Taking Crimea farked up Russia's economy. The sanctions afterwards farked it up more.

If Putin thinks he can survive going Full Soviet, he's even dumber than I thought.

Well, when you put it that way,  but I think they've been full Soviet behind the scenes, especially militarily, ever since Putin was placed into power.

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*wipes tear* ahh when the Simpsons were funny.

P.S. I have 3 real "dead bart" pics, That farking episode happened...
 
2014-09-02 03:46:17 AM  
I don't plan on posting those in the thread, no, but my point is truth is stranger than fiction.

Life imitates art?
 
2014-09-02 03:46:30 AM  
No matter what happens on the ground, the Russian economy is going to be ruined by this. It might not be so headline catching but supermarkets will have no products to sell, private pension funds will collapse, the currency will be ruined by capital flight, foreign investment will dry up and jobs will be lost. I suspect Putin's popularity will take a serious nosedive as reality sets in. Perhaps even one of his cronies will see fit to arrange a coup or do him in.
 
2014-09-02 03:51:03 AM  
Just remember, winter is coming.  If you don't think Putin would use that as a weapon against western Europe, I don't think you understand the magnitude of Putin or how deep he is in it over Ukraine.  It would absolutely cripple Russia as petrodollars is the only thing keeping their economy afloat.  Ukraine is almost totally dependent on Russian gas so he will trade heat for terms on whatever grounds he likes.  If the west is unwilling to eliminate sanctions once the conflict is over, a winter with only half the heat available (some nations are far more dependent on Russian gas than others so it would have a more dramatic effect).  With western European citizens freezing to death, it may provide enough push to get a return to the status quo with only half of Ukraine left and the east and south in a Russian satellite or wholly incorporated into Russia.

I am not saying that scenario is likely at this time.  There is still a decent chance this is resolved in the next few weeks.  However, the longer things are pushed, the more trapped Putin becomes in showing real gains for the absolute destruction and isolation of the Russian economy, the greater the likelihood more extreme scenarios pop up.   Right now this minor border war is controllable and the impacts are focused on isolated segments of the world and economy.   If Russia uses it's massive double edged weapon of gas shipments against Europe, the effects will be worldwide economically and politically.  Just remember even in the dark days of the Cold War, the Soviet Union gas always flowed.  With Putin in charge, I don't know if we can count on it if he sees no other ways to achieve what he needs.
 
2014-09-02 03:51:20 AM  
That would take some huge brass ones to try to whack a KGB dude. OK, let's say one did that, now you got to worry forever best case scenario.

No one is doing a suicide run on him. No one has the guts and it would accomplish jack. The real rulers of Russia would clamp down so farking hard it would make our heads spin.
 
2014-09-02 03:53:07 AM  
Any attack on Ukraine would be seen as a threat to the EU  which ties in NATO which means Rangers on Kiev's defense in 24 hours.

Then russia would be all nukes, then we would be all nukes

and this thing gets out of control.  And we will be lucky to live through it

/anyone for a nice game of chess?
 
2014-09-02 03:53:41 AM  

BMulligan: T-Servo: I blame Mitt Romney.

That's weird. I blame Vladimir Putin.


Oh, no, we can't blame poor Putin. I have it on good authority from experts like John Mearsheimer that this is the West's fault (because reasons), and that poor Mr Putin was just doing what any Russian leader would do in similar circumstances. I guess Putin has to worry about history repeating itself, and needs a buffer zone from bloodthirsty dictators like Merkel or Hollande invading his poor, oppressed country.

/hate Mearsheimer, Walt and their coterie
 
2014-09-02 03:56:09 AM  
also

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2014-09-02 03:57:21 AM  
The libertarians I know suck Putins dick so hard it's a wonder they don't rip it off.
 
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