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2014-09-01 11:09:58 AM  
And much like a zit, you could feel the tension building before it came to a head.
 
2014-09-01 12:44:21 PM  
Um, subby -- the Soviet invasion came on Sept. 17, right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
2014-09-01 01:07:29 PM  
I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?
 
2014-09-01 01:20:16 PM  
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2014-09-01 01:21:04 PM  
75 years later the post-ussr ussr is invading Ukraine. Because Russia isn't big enough already.
 
2014-09-01 01:23:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?


And MacArthur.
 
2014-09-01 01:24:35 PM  
Currently reading (and have been on and off for way too long) The Second World War by Beevor.  A long, dense read, but fascinating.  I thought I had a good grasp on WWII but I didn't know 90% of it.    Aside from it being completely impossible to keep track of names and groups in the book (some German words are like forty letters long) I highly recommend.
 
2014-09-01 01:25:16 PM  

MooseBayou: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?

And MacArthur.


How 'bout we go backwards on that, and say Chamberlain.

Just for fun.
 
2014-09-01 01:25:24 PM  

MooseBayou: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?

And MacArthur.


And LeMay.
 
2014-09-01 01:25:39 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Um, subby -- the Soviet invasion came on Sept. 17, right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


From the article:
"On Sept. 1, 1939, one week after Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact, more than a million German troops-along with 50,000 Slovakian soldiers-invaded Poland. Two weeks later, a half-million Russian troops attacked Poland from the east. After years of vague rumblings, explicit threats and open conjecture about the likelihood of a global conflict-in Europe, the Pacific and beyond-the Second World War had begun."
insert not sure if serious jpg
 
2014-09-01 01:25:44 PM  
I have a Polish Jewish friend whose grandparents called a family meeting the night the invasion began.  About half the family argued they try to escape the country immediately, meaning within the hour with whatever they could carry.  The others said perhaps it won't be so bad, let's wait a day or two and see what happens.

The first group survived, the second did not.
 
2014-09-01 01:26:30 PM  
Israel swipes a thousand acres of Palestine in commemoration.
 
2014-09-01 01:26:55 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?


Its been an interesting topic for years; "What if the Soviets kept advancing or the Allies attacked the Soviets". In my opinion - the Allies would of had a major problem - being supplies and logistics. Secondly, the russians had far superior tanks then the allies and have been in a ground war with the Germans for many years now; so most are battle harden veterans of ground warfare. One thing the allies would have; is airpower - unfortunately B-17s and B-24s would be tactically useless against Russia, since the factories were moved to far east, it would of taken B-29 raids out of India to do anything.

I believe the Soviets could of advanced to France if they wanted; however I believe the Soviets would of backed down simply because of the fact we had the Atom bomb - readily available, and a single B-29 could of nuked Moscow simply because no Russian fighter could handle above 20,000 ft let alone intercept a B-29.

Its always been an interesting topic; I am simply glad it never happened because the casualties I've seen in threads estimate another 15-22 million deaths (civilians and military) due to the war extending.
 
2014-09-01 01:30:11 PM  

powerful katrinka: Speaker2Animals: Um, subby -- the Soviet invasion came on Sept. 17, right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

From the article:
"On Sept. 1, 1939, one week after Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact, more than a million German troops-along with 50,000 Slovakian soldiers-invaded Poland. Two weeks later, a half-million Russian troops attacked Poland from the east. After years of vague rumblings, explicit threats and open conjecture about the likelihood of a global conflict-in Europe, the Pacific and beyond-the Second World War had begun."
insert not sure if serious jpg


So what you're saying is that the Russians invaded on September 17, and not September 1?
 
2014-09-01 01:36:20 PM  

studebaker hoch: MooseBayou: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?

And MacArthur.

And LeMay.


Don't forget Ripper

: Mandrake, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war?
: No, I don't think I do, sir, no.
: He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
 
2014-09-01 01:39:12 PM  
My dad said the only time he saw my grandfather cry was the day Germany invaded Poland. Because he'd lived through WWI and knew how bad things might get.
 
2014-09-01 01:43:02 PM  
nice submission, submitter!
 
2014-09-01 01:43:16 PM  
WWII began when we said it began.

And that was 3rd Sept.

You US Americans can have your own discussion about whether Germany or the USSR bombed Wailuku
 
2014-09-01 01:45:23 PM  

hawcian: powerful katrinka: Speaker2Animals: Um, subby -- the Soviet invasion came on Sept. 17, right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

From the article:
"On Sept. 1, 1939, one week after Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact, more than a million German troops-along with 50,000 Slovakian soldiers-invaded Poland. Two weeks later, a half-million Russian troops attacked Poland from the east. After years of vague rumblings, explicit threats and open conjecture about the likelihood of a global conflict-in Europe, the Pacific and beyond-the Second World War had begun."
insert not sure if serious jpg

So what you're saying is that the Russians invaded on September 17, and not September 1?

OK fail in reading comprehension for skimming subby's headline.
 
2014-09-01 01:46:38 PM  

tbriggs: I have a Polish Jewish friend whose grandparents called a family meeting the night the invasion began.  About half the family argued they try to escape the country immediately, meaning within the hour with whatever they could carry.  The others said perhaps it won't be so bad, let's wait a day or two and see what happens.

The first group survived, the second did not.


My Uncle Andre, with his Dad, swam under the ice on a frozen river, (I think the Danube), to escape Buda-Pest, and the Hungarian oppression in '56.  He was a big, husky, gregarious guy.

In other words, he was crazy.  I should look him up.  Almost killed him once when I thoughtfully adjusted the scaffolding he was standing on, 30 feet up, to paint the top floor of his house.  Shook the whole structure real good, and his ass was hanging off the edge.  He barely caught himself.

Sorry 'bout that little adrenaline rush, Uncle Andre.

(He turned pale, and had to come in the window and sit down for fifteen minutes.  It was close, I guess.  I remember the dirty look he gave me.  I think he was prepared to throw me out of that window.)

Defenestrate, no less.
 
2014-09-01 01:50:48 PM  
I hate browsing at work sometimes. The pictures aren't loading for me.
 
2014-09-01 01:54:01 PM  

opiumpoopy: WWII began when we said it began.


Pretty much British foreign policy: 1585 - 1945, and Lord help you if you didn't jump in when they wanted you to.

After that, the US and the USSR told Europe to siddown and STFU until they were asked to speak.  France and Britain didn't understand what that meant until Suez.
 
2014-09-01 01:54:10 PM  

hawcian: powerful katrinka: Speaker2Animals: Um, subby -- the Soviet invasion came on Sept. 17, right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

From the article:
"On Sept. 1, 1939, one week after Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact, more than a million German troops-along with 50,000 Slovakian soldiers-invaded Poland. Two weeks later, a half-million Russian troops attacked Poland from the east. After years of vague rumblings, explicit threats and open conjecture about the likelihood of a global conflict-in Europe, the Pacific and beyond-the Second World War had begun."
insert not sure if serious jpg

So what you're saying is that the Russians invaded on September 17, and not September 1?


What he's saying is

i1282.photobucket.com

Poland was effectively partitioned on Sept 1 even though the Russians didn't invade until two weeks later.
 
2014-09-01 01:55:00 PM  
ah yes the day Hitler plunged the world into the most destructive,bloodiest war it has ever known.   75 years has passed since then much has changed.

The Soviet Union has fallen and taken the Warsaw pact with it, peace has reigned in most of Europe.   Now Putin is seemingly hell bent on recreating the Soviet Union.
 
2014-09-01 01:55:35 PM  

TheOther: After that, the US and the USSR told Europe to siddown and STFU until they were asked to speak. France and Britain didn't understand what that meant until Suez.


I'm pretty sure Churchill knew what it meant when he essentially had to give up every meaningful Royal Navy foreign port in exchange for obsolete WWI destroyers.
 
2014-09-01 01:57:31 PM  

jaytkay: My dad said the only time he saw my grandfather cry was the day Germany invaded Poland. Because he'd lived through WWI and knew how bad things might get.


WWI was some nasty shiat.  Evil, archaic shiat.  Killed a whole generation of male Germans and Russians, and others.  Mostly with disease and poor medical technique.

My grandfather had just emigrated, from Germany to Kansas.  He wound up with a flight squadron, and occasionally dropped little bombs on his former countrymen, while he mapped reconnaissance.  He was surprised every time they landed safely, let alone didn't get shot down.

In WWII, Dad lost two brothers in law in the Pacific Theater, and joined up to go find them at the age of 17, only to be thwarted by the end of the war.

Personally, I was too young for Vietnam, and too old for Desert Storm.

War is not the ultimate diplomacy.  It's ...
....
.
.
.
I don't know.  Stupid and selfish and childish, and the result of narcissistic behavior of those placed in power.

Stupid.
 
2014-09-01 01:58:15 PM  
Also an infomercial for weapons of war.
 
2014-09-01 01:59:39 PM  

studebaker hoch: Israel swipes a thousand acres of Palestine in commemoration.


There's a word for that: Lebensraum.
 
2014-09-01 02:00:55 PM  

grimlock1972: ah yes the day Hitler plunged the world into the most destructive,bloodiest war it has ever known.   75 years has passed since then much has changed.

The Soviet Union has fallen and taken the Warsaw pact with it, peace has reigned in most of Europe.   Now Putin is seemingly hell bent on recreating the Soviet Union.


Bunch of LARPers over there that just like to fight.
 
2014-09-01 02:01:32 PM  
Spiffy uniforms.
 
2014-09-01 02:03:41 PM  

Bslim: Spiffy uniforms.


The Nazis had the best formal uniforms of WWII.
 
2014-09-01 02:07:44 PM  

grimlock1972: ah yes the day Hitler plunged the world into the most destructive,bloodiest war it has ever known.


I have read that Ghengis Khan, in terms of percentages, actually was responsible for more death and destruction.
 
2014-09-01 02:08:36 PM  

Mentat: TheOther: After that, the US and the USSR told Europe to siddown and STFU until they were asked to speak. France and Britain didn't understand what that meant until Suez.

I'm pretty sure Churchill knew what it meant when he essentially had to give up every meaningful Royal Navy foreign port in exchange for obsolete WWI destroyers.


Britain shared or gave up a few locales near the US east coast?  Singapore, Alexandria, Capetown, Freetown, Gibraltar, etc weren't involved.
 
2014-09-01 02:08:57 PM  

Mentat: hawcian: powerful katrinka: Speaker2Animals: Um, subby -- the Soviet invasion came on Sept. 17, right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

From the article:
"On Sept. 1, 1939, one week after Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact, more than a million German troops-along with 50,000 Slovakian soldiers-invaded Poland. Two weeks later, a half-million Russian troops attacked Poland from the east. After years of vague rumblings, explicit threats and open conjecture about the likelihood of a global conflict-in Europe, the Pacific and beyond-the Second World War had begun."
insert not sure if serious jpg

So what you're saying is that the Russians invaded on September 17, and not September 1?

What he's saying is

[i1282.photobucket.com image 259x195]


No, it is completely wrong.

Poland was effectively partitioned on Sept 1 even though the Russians didn't invade until two weeks later.

If you want to go that route, it was August 23 that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed. Besides, if something stopped the ceasefire with Japan following Khalkhin Gol on September 16, which the Soviets specifically waited for before invading Poland the next day, who knows what they would have done. There was a real possibility of a full scale war between the Soviets and Japan which certainly would have diverted significant Soviet resources potentially pre-empting any invasion of Poland..
 
2014-09-01 02:21:55 PM  

studebaker hoch: Bslim: Spiffy uniforms.

The Nazis had the best formal uniforms of WWII.


Thank Hugo Boss.
 
2014-09-01 02:26:57 PM  
I hate to admit because I have done a good share of reading about World War II, including "The Rise and Fall of the Third Riech" some years back, but I did not recall that Soviet Union invaded Poland shortly after Germany did. Were they trying to stop Germany or were they after Poland's territory also, or both?  Tough times for Poland 75 years ago,  but things will get much worse for Polish Jews, peasants, intellectuals, etc in a few years.  ISIS is a brutal group, but can't compare to what Europe, especially Eastern Europe, and of course China and Korea went through during World War II.
 
2014-09-01 02:34:52 PM  

eldie: Were they trying to stop Germany or were they after Poland's territory also, or both?


As mentioned above ( dywed88: Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact), Germany and the Soviet Union signed a treaty in August of 1939.

Wikipedia - "In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland into Nazi and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries.  "
 
2014-09-01 02:36:36 PM  

eldie: I hate to admit because I have done a good share of reading about World War II, including "The Rise and Fall of the Third Riech" some years back, but I did not recall that Soviet Union invaded Poland shortly after Germany did. Were they trying to stop Germany or were they after Poland's territory also, or both?


They had agreed on the division of Poland beforehand on August 23. However at September 1 the Soviets were fighting the Japanese in Mongolia (the end of the Battle of Khalkhin Gol). On September 16 a formal cease-fire was signed with Japan. On September 17 the Soviets invaded Poland. You can probably connect the dots.

Though they did use the claim that they were moving to protect the Poles from the Germans in their propaganda.
 
2014-09-01 02:41:30 PM  

MooseBayou: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?

And MacArthur.


Mac did have his way -- Soviets wanted a piece of Japan like they sliced off East Germany. MacArthur said nope. Patton have his way? Forget his superiors -- it would have been very hard to sell this to the troops, who'd come for a campaign to defeat Germany and Italy. And Patton or no, it sure as hell would not have been easy and likely would have ended in a very expensive stalemate.
 
2014-09-01 02:41:31 PM  
I believe WWII started years earlier when Japan invaded Chinese territory.
 
2014-09-01 02:49:02 PM  
foreignpolicyblogs.com
 
2014-09-01 02:55:55 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Mac did have his way


I think he meant MacArthur didn't get his way in Korea.
 
2014-09-01 03:03:23 PM  

dywed88: eldie: I hate to admit because I have done a good share of reading about World War II, including "The Rise and Fall of the Third Riech" some years back, but I did not recall that Soviet Union invaded Poland shortly after Germany did. Were they trying to stop Germany or were they after Poland's territory also, or both?

They had agreed on the division of Poland beforehand on August 23. However at September 1 the Soviets were fighting the Japanese in Mongolia (the end of the Battle of Khalkhin Gol). On September 16 a formal cease-fire was signed with Japan. On September 17 the Soviets invaded Poland. You can probably connect the dots.

Though they did use the claim that they were moving to protect the Poles from the Germans in their propaganda.

Thanks. My knowledge of World War II history is coming back.  Some non-aggression pact.  The invasion of the Soviet Union by Germany and the brutal battles in the Russian winter especially in Stalingrad, probably had more casualties than any in the War.

Interesting also that HItler cited a reason for Germany's invasion of Poland was to repatriate Poles of German ethnic descent.  One of the photos in the Life photo exhibit was a picture of a Polish family of German descent being flown back to Germany. Thus Germany claimed to be rescuing German-Poles from the Poles and Soviet Union claimed to be rescuing Poles from the Germans.

 
2014-09-01 03:22:46 PM  
♪♫ Autumn, for Hitler, and Ger-man-yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! ♪♫
 
2014-09-01 03:25:36 PM  

Misconduc: I believe the Soviets could of advanced to France if they wanted;


At the end of the war some American diplomat congratulated Stalin for taking Berlin.  Stalin replied, "Czar Alexander reached Paris."
 
2014-09-01 03:29:45 PM  
Tobin_Lam
I hate browsing at work sometimes. The pictures aren't loading for me.


If it's just a scripting issue and not blocked images, the
deslided version might work.

Here's a preview:

i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2014-09-01 03:29:56 PM  

wiseolddude: I believe WWII started years earlier when Japan invaded Chinese territory.


They ain't white, so it doesn't count.
 
2014-09-01 03:38:24 PM  

Misconduc: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wonder what history would be like if they'd let Patton have his way at the end of it?

Its been an interesting topic for years; "What if the Soviets kept advancing or the Allies attacked the Soviets". In my opinion - the Allies would of had a major problem - being supplies and logistics. Secondly, the russians had far superior tanks then the allies and have been in a ground war with the Germans for many years now; so most are battle harden veterans of ground warfare. One thing the allies would have; is airpower - unfortunately B-17s and B-24s would be tactically useless against Russia, since the factories were moved to far east, it would of taken B-29 raids out of India to do anything.

I believe the Soviets could of advanced to France if they wanted; however I believe the Soviets would of backed down simply because of the fact we had the Atom bomb - readily available, and a single B-29 could of nuked Moscow simply because no Russian fighter could handle above 20,000 ft let alone intercept a B-29


There was no proven atom bomb when the zone adjustements were made by US withdrawls westward, although the Red Army did hold off on withdrawing from Vienna until afterward(?).
Until the bomb was available, the US wanted the Russians in, since the Brits had already said they couldn't give much to an invasion of Japan.

Churchill was all for re-arming the 'good' Germans and fighting the Commies, but the British electorate fired him as soon as they got the chance.

If Patton had his way, the USSR could have done it's usual turtle act for a while; they had the buffer zone theyneeded. Meanwhile, without violating any agreements with the Allies, they were already sending aircraft, fuel, weapons and other supplies to the East and they could slip those to the Japanese to distract and stalemate the US and Britain.  With Klaus Fuchs and other Soviet spies on the scene, sabotaging the already slow production of atomicc weapons might have led to an indefinite prolongation of the war.
 
2014-09-01 04:12:25 PM  

CruJones: Currently reading (and have been on and off for way too long) The Second World War by Beevor.  A long, dense read, but fascinating.  I thought I had a good grasp on WWII but I didn't know 90% of it.    Aside from it being completely impossible to keep track of names and groups in the book (some German words are like forty letters long) I highly recommend.


An excellent book. If you want a couple of other good books on the subject there's always  The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer, or for a faster read on smaller parts of the war, The Battle of the Bulge by Stephen W. Sears is good.  I also The Last Battle by Stephen Harding, about a small group of American tankers who, with the aid of French VIP POW's and a few German soldiers who switched sides, defended an Austrian castle turned prison from a major attack by the SS.  It's another quick read that tells an interesting and unique story rarely discussed.

Finally, I highly recommend  Blackett's War by Stephen Budiansky, about the scientists who helped to defeat the German U-Boat threat.  A fascinating read.
 
2014-09-01 04:22:30 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Um, subby -- the Soviet invasion came on Sept. 17, right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.


Germans?
 
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