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2014-09-01 09:27:03 AM  
Not a good idea as you can be found out more often than not.

For instance, saying you have a degree in a field you don't is discoverable.

Saying you don't have a felony conviction is also discoverable.

Saying you managed 15 people vs 5 people at some obscure place that is out of business, not so much.
 
2014-09-01 09:35:47 AM  
only if you like living a lie and are an idiot.
 
2014-09-01 09:54:46 AM  
I'm retired, I invented dice.
 
2014-09-01 09:57:22 AM  
I have this friend who hooked a super good gig with the government by lying about where he was born.  he didn't even have any prior experience.  he just wrote down "community organizer," or something like that, and now he's pulling down six figures-- with a car!!!
 
2014-09-01 09:58:31 AM  
I wouldn't hire anybody who gave us windows 8.
 
2014-09-01 10:00:41 AM  
We interviewed.a guy whose CV said that he held a particular type of teaching certificate in the state.  We knew that such a certification didn't exist, so we confronted him.  We told him that there wasn't such a thing.  His reply, "But there will be."

I hadn't seen so much padding since my HS prom.
 
2014-09-01 10:01:49 AM  
No, it's not.

CSB time: A co-worker was supposed to get a promotion to the job I now have.  She put on her resume that she'd been born in Berlin, and had an education equivalent to a master's degree.  The part about being born in Berlin was true, but the rest wasn't.  She worked for a university and her boss went to the German language department and determined that not only did she not have a master's degree, her education was equivalent to a high school diploma.  Don't think they won't check.

/end CSB
 
2014-09-01 10:04:55 AM  

Komplex: I wouldn't hire anybody who gave us windows 8.


We had a family member who has been held responsible for Great Depression, World War II,  and Windows!  I was surprised that people kept hiring him.
 
2014-09-01 10:05:34 AM  
In a short time, sitting around a conference table at work, you can tell who lied on their resume. Unfortunately, they're the ones who want to take over the managers job in your office, because "if you can manage the truth, you can certainly manage people."
 
2014-09-01 10:05:36 AM  
I've had precisely one background check for a job application. All the rest have taken the CV at face value. Not that they'd find anything wrong if they went digging but they never do.
 
2014-09-01 10:05:39 AM  
I specialize in monitoring equipment that tracks the earth's rotational status.

I also spent 8 years on the Philadelphia Project search and rescue team from 2006 to 1943.
 
2014-09-01 10:05:45 AM  
Lie or don't lie on your resume. I'm going to interview you and make your prove you have a basic understanding of what you purport to know. I'm going to give you 90 days to prove it and that is your probationary period. If you can't do the job then I'll fire you and hire someone who can.

What do I care what you did in the past? I care what you can do now.
 
2014-09-01 10:06:03 AM  
1999-2002

Customer expectation fulfillment logistics engineer

Synergized just-in-time supply lines from over 30 input sources and prevented slowdowns from bottlenecks inherent to the production process from delaying customer receipt of finished product. Oversaw post-production finishing and packaging operations and communicated output delay information to end-users. Largely involved in all major modes of interpersonal interaction with purchasers and end users. Frequently worked while traveling for business, remaining productive without direct supervisory counseling.

/pizza driver
 
2014-09-01 10:11:15 AM  
I've fudged some dates on my job history just because I've been fired so many times. Something about wasting my time on the internet during work hours.
 
2014-09-01 10:13:14 AM  

Galileo's Daughter: No, it's not.

CSB time: A co-worker was supposed to get a promotion to the job I now have.  She put on her resume that she'd been born in Berlin, and had an education equivalent to a master's degree.  The part about being born in Berlin was true, but the rest wasn't.  She worked for a university and her boss went to the German language department and determined that not only did she not have a master's degree, her education was equivalent to a high school diploma.  Don't think they won't check.

/end CSB


I'm torn on these types of things.

On the one hand, she lied. Bad. On the other hand, even if more qualified she probably wouldn't have been considered for the job without a masters. Most I've known/interviewed/hired with a masters have less practical application of the knowledge than others without a bachelors.

If companies stop filtering candidates via degree, this stops. "Masters or equivalent experience" works for me.


//With the way degrees are given out at schools today, they mean absolutely jack.
 
2014-09-01 10:13:28 AM  

nickdaisy: I have this friend who hooked a super good gig with the government by lying about where he was born.  he didn't even have any prior experience.  he just wrote down "community organizer," or something like that, and now he's pulling down six figures-- with a car!!!


I was part of a panel that interviewed this guy (I'm pretty sure it must be the same guy) for that government job.  I remember what he said in the interview:

"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth."


I thought, "Wow, this guy has an ego....but obviously no experience at this level or he wouldn't say such nonsense.."

I voted not to hire him, but the rest of the panel thought he was just great. Wonder how he's working out?
 
GBB
2014-09-01 10:13:41 AM  
Lying on your resume is great for employers.  It's actually better for employers if the know you lied while you are in the selection process.  Why?  Because they know you will accept less money for a job you know you really don't qualify for.  Also, if you turn out to be really good at your job, then hooray!!  If not, they will simply pull you aside and give you the "HR decided to check on everyone's qualifications the other day and they found a problem with yours".  It's much easier to fire someone because of an easily provable lie on their application then it is to say that their performance is "not up to standards".
 
2014-09-01 10:13:48 AM  

sporkme: 1999-2002

Customer expectation fulfillment logistics engineer

Synergized just-in-time supply lines from over 30 input sources and prevented slowdowns from bottlenecks inherent to the production process from delaying customer receipt of finished product. Oversaw post-production finishing and packaging operations and communicated output delay information to end-users. Largely involved in all major modes of interpersonal interaction with purchasers and end users. Frequently worked while traveling for business, remaining productive without direct supervisory counseling.

/pizza driver


I just own buzz-word bingo.

Thanks!
 
2014-09-01 10:15:04 AM  
CSB: Family member recently lied on a CV. Had to leave a number of qualifications off in order to bypass the "over qualified" wall...

Which would be the exact opposite of what I'd do if ever tempted...

/Why, yes! I am a qualified civil engineer *and* a classically trained concert flautist. Why would you challenge me?
 
2014-09-01 10:17:52 AM  
I've always thought it would be funny to buy a doctorate from an online diploma mill just so I could insist that everyone refer to me as "Doctor."

"I didn't spent 12 hundred dollars at an online diploma mill just to be called Mister!"
 
2014-09-01 10:18:13 AM  
Actually, the actress who played Dr Crusher on ST:TNG invented the best cursor

That's how she earned her nickname 'Gates' McFadden


img.fark.net
 
GBB
2014-09-01 10:19:00 AM  

Lokkii: nickdaisy: I have this friend who hooked a super good gig with the government by lying about where he was born.  he didn't even have any prior experience.  he just wrote down "community organizer," or something like that, and now he's pulling down six figures-- with a car!!!

I was part of a panel that interviewed this guy (I'm pretty sure it must be the same guy) for that government job.  I remember what he said in the interview:

"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth."

I thought, "Wow, this guy has an ego....but obviously no experience at this level or he wouldn't say such nonsense.."

I voted not to hire him, but the rest of the panel thought he was just great. Wonder how he's working out?


What qualifications must you have to be on that panel of complete farking idiots, and how did you qualify?
 
2014-09-01 10:19:11 AM  

italie: //With the way degrees are given out sold at schools today, they mean absolutely jack that the recipient has money or access to credit.


Ever-inflating degree requirements for employment are class warfare.
 
2014-09-01 10:19:38 AM  
It's amazing how many people have different things called out on their resume vs. what they put on LinkedIn. It makes for an interesting interview when you ask a question regarding a claim they make on LinkedIn that was omitted from their resume.
 
2014-09-01 10:19:42 AM  
If there's anything I check personally (because I have little faith in HR) it's the professional licenses and certifications the applicant lists on their resume. If you tell me you're a licensed CPA, you better believe I'm going to that state's Board of Accountancy website to double-check.

CSB:

A while back I worked for a company that was audited by one of its clients -- typical annual security controls audit. Since the client didn't have their own audit staff, they hired an independent contractor to audit us on their behalf.

Right off the bat, this guy was one of the biggest assholes I had ever met in my entire life. Before handing anything over to him, I asked for his resume -- I wanted to be certain the client had sent a qualified auditor. After a quick search online, turns out this asshole lied about EVERY security and audit-related certification he listed (CISA, CISM, CISSP, GCIA, GSNA, etc.). I had security escort him immediately off the premises. Although the client was pissed we stopped the audit, they had quite a bit of egg on their face for not having vetted the douchebag they sent.

Even more CSB... one of my colleagues at the time sat on the certification board for several of the certs that douchebag had listed on his resume. The douchebag auditor received a nice letter stating he would be ineligible to sit for any of the exams for those certs he listed -- something about demonstrating a lack of integrity :)
 
2014-09-01 10:21:14 AM  

italie: If companies stop filtering candidates via degree, this stops. "Masters or equivalent experience" works for me.


When I've hired designers, I almost prefer they don't have a degree. It almost always means I have to break the bad habits of their professor. Also, it almost always means their technical prowess is 2-4 years obsolete. At least when it comes to creative services, self-taught individuals are exceptionally valuable.
 
2014-09-01 10:21:14 AM  

GBB: It's much easier to fire someone because of an easily provable lie on their application then it is to say that their performance is "not up to standards".


I'm pretty sure any employer can fire anyone* for any reason. Yes, even those reasons. They just can't cite those reasons.

* unless it's someone with tenure or there's a contract involved then it's a little harder
 
2014-09-01 10:24:40 AM  
I am Abe Froman the Sausage King of Chicago, prove that I'm not.
 
2014-09-01 10:25:50 AM  

nickdaisy: I have this friend who hooked a super good gig with the government by lying about where he was born.  he didn't even have any prior experience.  he just wrote down "community organizer," or something like that, and now he's pulling down six figures-- with a car!!!


You're friends with Ted Cruz?
 
2014-09-01 10:26:32 AM  

phenn: italie: If companies stop filtering candidates via degree, this stops. "Masters or equivalent experience" works for me.

When I've hired designers, I almost prefer they don't have a degree. It almost always means I have to break the bad habits of their professor. Also, it almost always means their technical prowess is 2-4 years obsolete. At least when it comes to creative services, self-taught individuals are exceptionally valuable.


Same here for Network Support staff, give me someone with 2 years at a small company over a recent college grad any day.
 
GBB
2014-09-01 10:30:03 AM  

Mugato: GBB: It's much easier to fire someone because of an easily provable lie on their application then it is to say that their performance is "not up to standards".

I'm pretty sure any employer can fire anyone* for any reason. Yes, even those reasons. They just can't cite those reasons.

* unless it's someone with tenure or there's a contract involved then it's a little harder


Legally, you can fire anyone for no reason, but most companies have established internal guidelines for discipline and termination.  They have them for a reason.  Things get all mutiny-y when the company throws out their own rules simply because a Manager or VP doesn't like someone.  Lying on your application is one of those insta-fire situations.  But like I said, if the like you, they overlook it.
 
2014-09-01 10:30:17 AM  
SauronWasFramed:

Saying you managed 15 people vs 5 people at some obscure place that is out of business, not so much.

4 of the 6 companies on my resume are out of business.  (Goes back 35 years.)  But then, maybe I am detecting a pattern.  Eerily similar to my pattern with women.

The women aren't "out of business", just out of MY business.
 
2014-09-01 10:32:07 AM  
I was lucky enough to land a cushy graduate job after graduating college. Not once did they ask to see my degree certificate (or, as far as I could tell, check with my college).
 
2014-09-01 10:32:43 AM  
No. Especially these days. It's a small world and word travels fast and far.
 
2014-09-01 10:33:19 AM  

GBB: Mugato: GBB: It's much easier to fire someone because of an easily provable lie on their application then it is to say that their performance is "not up to standards".

I'm pretty sure any employer can fire anyone* for any reason. Yes, even those reasons. They just can't cite those reasons.

* unless it's someone with tenure or there's a contract involved then it's a little harder

Legally, you can fire anyone for no reason, but most companies have established internal guidelines for discipline and termination.  They have them for a reason.  Things get all mutiny-y when the company throws out their own rules simply because a Manager or VP doesn't like someone.  Lying on your application is one of those insta-fire situations.  But like I said, if the like you, they overlook it.


They MIGHT overlook it.  Or they might take the fact that you're a proven liar as the only thing they need to know about you, despite liking you.

I wouldn't lie on my resume.  In the end, it doesn't pay.  Knowing the right way to present what you have truthfully done, however, is another story.
 
2014-09-01 10:33:27 AM  

GBB: Mugato: GBB: It's much easier to fire someone because of an easily provable lie on their application then it is to say that their performance is "not up to standards".

I'm pretty sure any employer can fire anyone* for any reason. Yes, even those reasons. They just can't cite those reasons.

* unless it's someone with tenure or there's a contract involved then it's a little harder

Legally, you can fire anyone for no reason, but most companies have established internal guidelines for discipline and termination.  They have them for a reason.  Things get all mutiny-y when the company throws out their own rules simply because a Manager or VP doesn't like someone.  Lying on your application is one of those insta-fire situations.  But like I said, if the like you, they overlook it.


Yes most of the time you can fire someone for no reason, however, if you fire them without cause, they are eligible for Unemployment and the company's UI goes up.  So they always try to find a reason.
 
GBB
2014-09-01 10:33:48 AM  

Tom_Slick: I am Abe Froman the Sausage King of Chicago, prove that I'm not.


blogs.dallasobserver.com
 
2014-09-01 10:34:37 AM  

El Dudereno: sporkme: 1999-2002

Customer expectation fulfillment logistics engineer

Synergized just-in-time supply lines from over 30 input sources and prevented slowdowns from bottlenecks inherent to the production process from delaying customer receipt of finished product. Oversaw post-production finishing and packaging operations and communicated output delay information to end-users. Largely involved in all major modes of interpersonal interaction with purchasers and end users. Frequently worked while traveling for business, remaining productive without direct supervisory counseling.

/pizza driver

I just own buzz-word bingo.

Thanks!


Won. I won buzz-word bingo.

/stupid auto-correct
 
2014-09-01 10:34:45 AM  
I invented TPS reports and C++.
 
2014-09-01 10:36:56 AM  

GBB: Legally, you can fire anyone for no reason, but most companies have established internal guidelines for discipline and termination.  They have them for a reason.  Things get all mutiny-y when the company throws out their own rules simply because a Manager or VP doesn't like someone.


True. I guess I never worked for a company that big. I really don't even remember an HR dept in any of my jobs. I guess I must have at one of them. They don't really do anything so who knows.
 
2014-09-01 10:37:36 AM  

nickdaisy: I have this friend who hooked a super good gig with the government by lying about where he was born.  he didn't even have any prior experience.  he just wrote down "community organizer," or something like that, and now he's pulling down six figures-- with a car!!!


Too subtle, but I appreciate a clever post and a chuckle.
 
2014-09-01 10:38:25 AM  

fappomatic: I invented TPS reports and C++.


Well you can take that cover sheet and shove it up your object oriented....sorry, flashback.

/first job actually did TPS reports
//transactions per second
 
2014-09-01 10:39:23 AM  
My CV is normally blank.  All the work I've done can not be disclosed, however without it we'd not have HD TV, the International Space Station, or LCD's.

/sees-red-dot-on-chest

I've said to much.
 
2014-09-01 10:42:09 AM  

squidloe: It's amazing how many people have different things called out on their resume vs. what they put on LinkedIn. It makes for an interesting interview when you ask a question regarding a claim they make on LinkedIn that was omitted from their resume.


"I understand that people reviewing resumes have to quickly screen hundreds of resumes to find the few to offer interviews to.  Just a few seconds of review can be the deciding factor. So I made a special version of my resume focused on my experience that I thought would be especially useful to your company, that would be apparent in those crucial seconds."
 
2014-09-01 10:44:51 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: Lie or don't lie on your resume. I'm going to interview you and make your prove you have a basic understanding of what you purport to know. I'm going to give you 90 days to prove it and that is your probationary period. If you can't do the job then I'll fire you and hire someone who can.

What do I care what you did in the past? I care what you can do now.


We fact check during the interview by asking questions about past experiences.  This won't stop a great liar, but I'm hiring at a low enough level (generally college students who we already expect to have to fully train) that this isn't a big issue.  When I interview for people with skills, I always make sure we chat a bit about common problems that anyone with actual experience would be familiar with, and I contact their previous employer.
 
2014-09-01 10:46:36 AM  

cowsaregoodeating: Lie or don't lie on your resume. I'm going to interview you and make your prove you have a basic understanding of what you purport to know. I'm going to give you 90 days to prove it and that is your probationary period. If you can't do the job then I'll fire you and hire someone who can.

What do I care what you did in the past? I care what you can do now.


Hello sir,

I ask for your consideration for your recent posting of "Chief Executive Officer", I have many years of experience and I hope my specialization in down sizing programs will be of particular use to you.  I have also led organizations in the past and even brought a small humble group to world wide recognition over a mere six years.  If you need a natural leader who's ambition is only eclipsed by his successful campaigns to run down your competitors and rail road them right out of the market, I am your man.

-A. Hitler

PS:  I also play a mean game of Risk
 
2014-09-01 10:46:58 AM  
girltalkhq.com

My real name is Dick Whitman.
 
2014-09-01 10:47:07 AM  
So uh, do employers check arrest records for misdemeanors or just felonies? I'm asking for a friend.

/just in case my friend loses his  job one day
 
2014-09-01 10:48:17 AM  
Last job I interviewed for, my future boss hadn't gotten around to contacting any of my work references.  So, in the middle of the interview, he says, "I should probably call one of these people.  Which one should I call?"  Of course, I picked the one who I knew would sing my praises for as long as New Boss wanted to listen.

Funny side note, I forgot to tell my reference not to mention my management experience.  I didn't care for that role and made no mention of it in my resume.  Wasn't something I got into intentionally.  My role evolved until one day I realized I was directing a group of employees and spending all my time handling exceptions, scheduling subcontractors, balancing work loads, project schedules, work schedules, matching projects to employee skills, etc. while producing/accomplishing nothing myself.  Sonofabiatch!  How did that happen?  So that bit got left out of my resume but not my reference's glowing praise.  Then I had to explain why I left it out.  New Boss understood.
 
NFA
2014-09-01 10:52:23 AM  
We keep a list of applicants who lie and their resume on file.  They're permanently banned from employment with the company.

I saw a resume just last week where the applicant literally copied and pasted the required skills directly from the advertisement and pasted it into his resume.  WTF?
 
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