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(CBS Pittsburgh)   Pennsylvania school district provides free breakfast and lunch to ALL students, thus reducing paperwork and the stigma of being the "poor kid" who gets free food   (pittsburgh.cbslocal.com) divider line 143
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2014-09-01 11:12:15 AM
Smart move-- The savings in collecting money and paperwork alone will probably cover a significant portion of the extra cost.
 
2014-09-01 11:23:07 AM
cdn.meme.li
 
2014-09-01 12:01:10 PM
This is so Moochelle Farbongo can make the kids eat tofu and arugula with dijon mustard amirite

/there you go, troll alts, I did your work for you, you can go to another thread now
 
2014-09-01 12:27:08 PM
Cheese sandwich !!!
 
2014-09-01 12:29:50 PM
Allergy/Kosher/Halal/vegan lawsuit in 3.... 2.... 1....
 
2014-09-01 12:32:37 PM
Massa chests us doing this as well.

Although from what I read it has to meet some standard of "healthyness" so the kids aren't going to eat it anyway.
 
2014-09-01 12:33:17 PM

Callous: Massa chests us doing this as well.

Although from what I read it has to meet some standard of "healthyness" so the kids aren't going to eat it anyway.


Massachusetts

Damn auto-correct.
 
2014-09-01 12:33:20 PM
Its johnstown PA. There were probably only 20 -30 noneligible students in the whole district anyway.
 
2014-09-01 12:34:09 PM
They're trying to make up for using school-issued laptops to spy on students.
 
2014-09-01 12:34:10 PM
I'm TFA it says this option is only available in "low income" school districts. Seems more kids there would qualify anyway for this program so the stigma thing shouldn't be an issue.

I'm not saying its a bad idea without knowing how much it costs by the stigma argument would be more convincing if it were at a middle income district, where only a minority of students qualify.

On the other hand there's this CSB: a buddy's kids go to a somewhat diverse NYC public school. Someone (an aunt or something making conversation) asked the first grader if he ate hot lunch at school. He looked at her quizzically and said "no I don't get hot lunch, I'm white" and pointed to his face.
 
2014-09-01 12:36:33 PM
Did they afford this by not building a Collosseum sized football stadium? Because here in the south not building a Collosseum sized football stadium is how you get lynched.

/taxes are bad
//except when they go to building giant football stadiums.
 
2014-09-01 12:36:44 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: I'm TFA it says this option is only available in "low income" school districts. Seems more kids there would qualify anyway for this program so the stigma thing shouldn't be an issue.

I'm not saying its a bad idea without knowing how much it costs by the stigma argument would be more convincing if it were at a middle income district, where only a minority of students qualify.

On the other hand there's this CSB: a buddy's kids go to a somewhat diverse NYC public school. Someone (an aunt or something making conversation) asked the first grader if he ate hot lunch at school. He looked at her quizzically and said "no I don't get hot lunch, I'm white" and pointed to his face.


Another Conservative anecdote that never, ever actually happened.

/So much easier if you get to make shiat up, isn't it?
 
2014-09-01 12:36:56 PM
Awesome!
 
2014-09-01 12:38:41 PM
I work at a tribal school, and we do this too, as of course the vast majority of our kids would qualify anyway....
 
2014-09-01 12:39:31 PM
In fairness, pretty much everyone in Johnstown is poor.
 
2014-09-01 12:42:05 PM

Callous: Callous: Massa chests us doing this as well.

Although from what I read it has to meet some standard of "healthyness" so the kids aren't going to eat it anyway.

Massachusetts

Damn auto-correct.


Your auto-correct has a Kunta Kinte setting?
 
2014-09-01 12:43:52 PM
Not really "free" from the school - taxpayers pay for it.
Not saying it's good or bad but it's not the school administrators paying for it out of the generosity of their hearts.
 
2014-09-01 12:44:35 PM
I think this is becoming standard. Here in SD, any school where more than a certain percentage (I want to say 75%) qualifies, everyone gets free lunch.
 
2014-09-01 12:46:18 PM
Socialism, thanks Obama.
 
2014-09-01 12:46:20 PM
Good. Our system for managing accounts is quite nice and works easily but still delays the lunch line, especially when kindergarten started back. When those delays happen, I would barely have the time to check my mail before I have to get my students.
 
2014-09-01 12:47:27 PM

ghare: Debeo Summa Credo: I'm TFA it says this option is only available in "low income" school districts. Seems more kids there would qualify anyway for this program so the stigma thing shouldn't be an issue.

I'm not saying its a bad idea without knowing how much it costs by the stigma argument would be more convincing if it were at a middle income district, where only a minority of students qualify.

On the other hand there's this CSB: a buddy's kids go to a somewhat diverse NYC public school. Someone (an aunt or something making conversation) asked the first grader if he ate hot lunch at school. He looked at her quizzically and said "no I don't get hot lunch, I'm white" and pointed to his face.

Another Conservative anecdote that never, ever actually happened.

/So much easier if you get to make shiat up, isn't it?


The no lunch child's father is also a soldier in Afghanistan, said a friend of mine's uncle or something.
 
2014-09-01 12:49:34 PM

Huntceet: Socialism, thanks Obama.


You mean as the vast majority of the student qualify for free lunch, instead of spending time and money filling out forms and trying to determine who qualifies, they just decided to give it to everybody, thus eliminating overhead, red tape and bureaucracy.

Hmm...wonder if we could do that in other areas, such as health care? Nah, that's crazy talk.
 
2014-09-01 12:50:09 PM
Free and reduced lunch is the measuring stick by which the powers that be determine how farked your district is.  The higher that percentage the more likely you are in a world of shiat for just about everything.

Districts that perform well in spite of a high FRL% should have parades thrown in their honor at least every 2 months.
 
2014-09-01 12:50:19 PM

Callous: Callous: Massa chests us doing this as well.

Although from what I read it has to meet some standard of "healthyness" so the kids aren't going to eat it anyway.

Massachusetts

Damn auto-correct.


Your phone seems a bit racist.
 
2014-09-01 12:51:23 PM

Huntceet: Socialism, thanks Obama Pennsylvania school district.

 
2014-09-01 12:51:47 PM
Every school that serves breakfast in my area serves it to all children
 
2014-09-01 12:52:20 PM
Nice. Kids shouldn't have to worry about food.
 
2014-09-01 12:52:37 PM
Why not let everyone skip school til they're 18 and just give them a HS diploma now?
 
2014-09-01 12:52:52 PM

dustman81: Huntceet: Socialism, thanks Obama.

You mean as the vast majority of the student qualify for free lunch, instead of spending time and money filling out forms and trying to determine who qualifies, they just decided to give it to everybody, thus eliminating overhead, red tape and bureaucracy.

Hmm...wonder if we could do that in other areas, such as health care? Nah, that's crazy talk.


Just take people's word for it that they need a medical XYZ? No problems there! Medicine is exactly like school lunch!
 
2014-09-01 12:53:58 PM
I have never understood why kids paid for lunches at all.  It isn't like they pony up a fee each class period for electricity in their classroom.  Raise my taxes $180/year (we paid $1/day for 180 days of school a year), and just feed the damn anklebiters already.
 
2014-09-01 12:55:25 PM

dustman81: Huntceet: Socialism, thanks Obama.

You mean as the vast majority of the student qualify for free lunch, instead of spending time and money filling out forms and trying to determine who qualifies, they just decided to give it to everybody, thus eliminating overhead, red tape and bureaucracy.

Hmm...wonder if we could do that in other areas, such as health care? Nah, that's crazy talk.


Why is so difficult for some people to understand that just because the 'end-user' doesn't pay for it ... doesn't make it FREE?
 
2014-09-01 12:56:00 PM

BigNumber12: Just take people's word for it that they need a medical XYZ? No problems there! Medicine is exactly like school lunch!


Those 'people's' whom we accept the word of about use of medical resources are generally referred to as doctors.
 
2014-09-01 12:56:32 PM

John Buck 41: Why not let everyone skip school til they're 18 and just give them a HS diploma now?


This is what you walked away with from an article about kids getting something to eat at school?
 
2014-09-01 12:57:58 PM
Considering the % of little fatties, I'm kind of surprised all public schools don't do this. "Hey parents, don't worry about 1/2 your kids meals, we got it covered." Then they could feed them strange foodstuffs such as oatmeal, oranges, salads, and sammiches instead of pop tarts, lunchables, chips, etc.

Oh, I made the mistake of assuming the government was logical. My bad.
 
2014-09-01 12:59:17 PM
AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe:

Why is IT so difficult for some people to understand that just because the 'end-user' doesn't pay for it ... doesn't make it FREE?

FTFM
 
2014-09-01 01:00:11 PM

phalamir: I have never understood why kids paid for lunches at all.  It isn't like they pony up a fee each class period for electricity in their classroom.  Raise my taxes $180/year (we paid $1/day for 180 days of school a year), and just feed the damn anklebiters already.


And it would be overall cheaper for the school to feed the kids breakfast and lunch because they can buy in bulk.
 
2014-09-01 01:01:10 PM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Why is so difficult for some people to understand that just because the 'end-user' doesn't pay for it ... doesn't make it FREE?


Because costs are never simply absorbed into the aether for anything which is considered free. If a friend stops over and has a beer, the beer for them is free. I paid for the beer. Had the store given me the pack for free, the store lost profit and therefore paid for the beer. Had the distributor given the store the pack for free, the distributor lost profit and expended transportation costs. Had the brewery given the distributor the pack for free, the brewery lost profit and expended grains and hops and equipment costs and such. No matter how far along this chain we head, free would never be free, but this is not useful for linguistic purposes.
 
2014-09-01 01:01:51 PM

phalamir: I have never understood why kids paid for lunches at all.  It isn't like they pony up a fee each class period for electricity in their classroom.  Raise my taxes $180/year (we paid $1/day for 180 days of school a year), and just feed the damn anklebiters already.


this.
 
2014-09-01 01:02:39 PM
This shouldn't cost too much since there is only 3100 kids in the entire district? Heck, the high school I work at has 2200 alone.
 
2014-09-01 01:12:16 PM

Vangor: BigNumber12: Just take people's word for it that they need a medical XYZ? No problems there! Medicine is exactly like school lunch!

Those 'people's' whom we accept the word of about use of medical resources are generally referred to as doctors.


You say that with the same sort of dreamy-eyed reverence that people typically use toward firefighters and soldiers.

Here's a thought: doctors are human, and have massive debt to pay down, and lifestyles to maintain. A significant number of doctors, honest and not, already have significant financial incentive to prescribe unnecessary tests and treatments. If you think that reducing checks and oversights is somehow going to reduce overall medical costs and improve efficiency... then you really haven't been paying attention.

Read up on the exciting world of medical fraud. It should depress the fark out of you.

Pull the Plug on Grannie: Then they could feed them strange foodstuffs such as oatmeal, oranges, salads, and sammiches instead of pop tarts, lunchables, chips, etc.


They've tried. And it has been widely observed that kids have been responding by tossing out the healthy options because they 'don't taste right.'
 
2014-09-01 01:12:35 PM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: dustman81: Huntceet: Socialism, thanks Obama.

You mean as the vast majority of the student qualify for free lunch, instead of spending time and money filling out forms and trying to determine who qualifies, they just decided to give it to everybody, thus eliminating overhead, red tape and bureaucracy.

Hmm...wonder if we could do that in other areas, such as health care? Nah, that's crazy talk.

Why is so difficult for some people to understand that just because the 'end-user' doesn't pay for it ... doesn't make it FREE?


I didn't say nobody would pay for it. Taxes would go up slightly, but health insurance premiums would go down. Cost savings would be realized by eliminating unnecessary overhead, reducing paperwork and through economies of scale. If every other 1st world country can figure it out, offering healthcare outcomes similar to the US at almost 1/2 of the cost of the US, there is no reason (other than political stonewalling) why the US can't do it.

www-tc.pbs.org

Let's take a country with a culture similar to the US: Canada

Canada: $4,445 per capita (single-payer, so Canadian resident is covered)
US: $8,223 per capita (private model, so only those who have health insurance are covered)

Canada spends 45% of what the US does and every Canadian resident is covered. In the US, you're covered: if you have health insurance, the medical provider is in network, you met your deductible and after the co-pay is paid.
 
2014-09-01 01:14:19 PM
So I'm assuming the breakfast is hash browns with ketchup and the lunch is pizza?
 
2014-09-01 01:14:32 PM
This is how media works, people. Watch...watch carefully.

cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.com
Johnstown, PA

White alone - 16,893 (80.5%)
Black alone - 2,477 (11.8%)
Two or more races - 985 (4.7%)
Hispanic - 455 (2.2%)
Asian alone - 93 (0.4%)
Other race alone - 40 (0.2%)
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 23 (0.1%)
American Indian alone - 10 (0.05%)

What an interesting photo to choose when reporting about a free lunch program.
 
2014-09-01 01:15:17 PM

FrancoFile: Callous: Callous: Massa chests us doing this as well.

Although from what I read it has to meet some standard of "healthyness" so the kids aren't going to eat it anyway.

Massachusetts

Damn auto-correct.

Your auto-correct has a Kunta Kinte setting?


Massa is the last name of some friends so I'm sure it's in my personal dictionary.

Massachusetts became "Massa chests us" my guess is I spelled Massachusetts wrong and that's what it came up with.
 
2014-09-01 01:16:05 PM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Why is so difficult for some people to understand that just because the 'end-user' doesn't pay for it ... doesn't make it FREE?


Why is it so difficult for some people to understand that nobody is making this argument in the first place?
 
2014-09-01 01:17:08 PM
Pennsylvania school district provides free breakfast and lunch to ALL students, thus reducing paperwork and the stigma motivation of being the "poor kid" who gets free food

ftfy

/nice jorb
 
2014-09-01 01:17:23 PM

John Buck 41: Why not let everyone skip school til they're 18 and just give them a HS diploma now?


Because they have to go into the lunchroom and demonstrate that they know how to stand in a line, use a fork, and how to put food in their mouths, before they're eligible for a HS diploma.
 
2014-09-01 01:17:42 PM

BigNumber12: You say that with the same sort of dreamy-eyed reverence that people typically use toward firefighters and soldiers.


What? How does my sentence imply any of what you spouted? People do not get to simply choose to have certain procedures done which are medically unnecessary. Providing a single-payer system does not alter this. The argument you previously made is baseless. These current ones are irrelevant to this fact.
 
2014-09-01 01:20:21 PM
I have a Facebook friend who posted a slavering, Limbaugh-like rant against the concept of all-kids-get-free-meals at school.  He's otherwise a relatively decent sort of human being, but this topic just spins his head around like a demon.  If you try to reason/argue the merits of all the kids getting a level nutritional playing field, or about helping the kids get what they are not getting at home because of poverty, he suddenly gets all nuts and almost violent about "worthless parents" who don't provide and instead waste their Link card money on smokes and booze and large screen TV's and such, it's communism, it teaches kids to be welfare bums,etc.
 
2014-09-01 01:20:40 PM

Vangor: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Why is so difficult for some people to understand that just because the 'end-user' doesn't pay for it ... doesn't make it FREE?

Because costs are never simply absorbed into the aether for anything which is considered free. If a friend stops over and has a beer, the beer for them is free. I paid for the beer. Had the store given me the pack for free, the store lost profit and therefore paid for the beer. Had the distributor given the store the pack for free, the distributor lost profit and expended transportation costs. Had the brewery given the distributor the pack for free, the brewery lost profit and expended grains and hops and equipment costs and such. No matter how far along this chain we head, free would never be free, but this is not useful for linguistic purposes.


The point is the cost of just giving every child a lunch may very well be off set by the savings from employing cashiers, point of sale systems, card for reduced or free lunch kids, etc.

There is a great deal of expense involved in managing who pays what for lunch and eliminating that may offset the additional food cost.
 
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