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2014-09-01 08:25:19 AM  
Where is American Gods 2? Neil? Anyone?
 
2014-09-01 08:56:40 AM  
Waste of bandwidth. All the best parts of the book can't be translated to film and what's left isn't exactly stellar.
 
2014-09-01 09:57:26 AM  
Boring book.
 
2014-09-01 10:05:31 AM  

All Latest: Where is American Gods 2? Neil? Anyone?


It's called "Anasi Boys".
 
2014-09-01 10:10:24 AM  

BalugaJoe: Boring book.


Agreed, couldn't finish it
 
2014-09-01 10:11:09 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: All Latest: Where is American Gods 2? Neil? Anyone?

It's called "Anasi Boys".


Really, that's more of a spinoff than a sequel.  Garman has promised to continue Shadow's adventures in another novel, but he's been distracted writing excellent episodes of Doctor Who.
 
2014-09-01 10:12:12 AM  
*Gaiman

/stupid autocorrect
 
2014-09-01 10:15:52 AM  
The Anansi Boys audio book is great.

/Show me your lime.
 
2014-09-01 10:46:45 AM  
I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.
 
2014-09-01 10:47:42 AM  

Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.


Or even Good Omens
 
2014-09-01 10:52:42 AM  

Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.


This. I mean, I loved American Gods, but it's ... contemplative. It's complex and not fast. I don't think a TV translation would work well, even if I would love to see the various Gods on a visual medium (particularly at the end, when the old and new gods' true forms are visible).

I also guess HBO caved on having a black protagonist. The first time HBO tried to do it, they wanted a white main character. Gaiman said no.
 
2014-09-01 11:33:26 AM  

Lackofname: Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.

This. I mean, I loved American Gods, but it's ... contemplative. It's complex and not fast. I don't think a TV translation would work well, even if I would love to see the various Gods on a visual medium (particularly at the end, when the old and new gods' true forms are visible).

I also guess HBO caved on having a black protagonist. The first time HBO tried to do it, they wanted a white main character. Gaiman said no.


Yeah, Shadow can't be white, but he can't be unmistakably black, either.  The conversation with the prison guard early on indicates that even the guard, while speculating Shadow might have some black ancestry, isn't sure.  If Vin Diesel could pull off nuance....
 
2014-09-01 11:36:10 AM  
Neil Gaiman's short story "How to talk to girls at parties" is allegedly being made into a movie:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3859310

It looks like he has had a lot of stories turned into short films that we never get to see:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0301274/?ref_=nv_sr_1#writer
 
2014-09-01 11:42:25 AM  

BroVinny: Yeah, Shadow can't be white, but he can't be unmistakably black, either. The conversation with the prison guard early on indicates that even the guard, while speculating Shadow might have some black ancestry, isn't sure. If Vin Diesel could pull off nuance....


Oh, good.  Now I feel better about never picking up on the fact that he was supposed to be black.
 
2014-09-01 12:17:48 PM  
I don't really like the idea that gods need people to believe in them to continue to exist. Odin doesn't seem that great when he has the same vulnerability has Tinker Bell.  I have to agree that Neverwhere or Good Omens would make better TV.
 
2014-09-01 12:25:46 PM  

stoicjohn: The Anansi Boys audio book is great.

/Show me your lime.


Drink every time he says Fat Charlie.
 
2014-09-01 12:38:33 PM  
I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".
 
2014-09-01 01:14:35 PM  

BroVinny: Lackofname: Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.

This. I mean, I loved American Gods, but it's ... contemplative. It's complex and not fast. I don't think a TV translation would work well, even if I would love to see the various Gods on a visual medium (particularly at the end, when the old and new gods' true forms are visible).

I also guess HBO caved on having a black protagonist. The first time HBO tried to do it, they wanted a white main character. Gaiman said no.

Yeah, Shadow can't be white, but he can't be unmistakably black, either.  The conversation with the prison guard early on indicates that even the guard, while speculating Shadow might have some black ancestry, isn't sure.  If Vin Diesel could pull off nuance....


Funny you should say that...when I read it, like 9 years ago, Vin Diesel is actually who I had in mind for Shadow right off the bat.
 
2014-09-01 01:41:55 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".


And don't forget that the protagonists which are often so unbelievably blank that one could substitute them between books with no definable difference in outcome at any point.
 
2014-09-01 01:53:50 PM  

doglover: Waste of bandwidth. All the best parts of the book can't be translated to film and what's left isn't exactly stellar.


Wut ? Personally, I like the idea of drawing it out for a show. Not like under the dome, but I could see the book as about 20 episodes. It would have to be a late night cable show, as
it wouldnt work otherwise, imho .
 
2014-09-01 02:04:05 PM  

stoicjohn: The Anansi Boys audio book is great.

/Show me your lime.


yes, Lenny Henry is fantastic.
 
2014-09-01 02:29:56 PM  

Summoner101: Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.

Or even Good Omens


Only if Pratchett does the writing.  The transitions between Giaman and Pratchett's writings were painful in that book.  The only other Gaiman book I've read was American Gods, and it came off as a second-rate, campy Clive Barker.  And Mister B. Gone still ran circles around American Gods.
 
2014-09-01 03:10:50 PM  
Meh.  Gaiman's books don't exactly translate well to film: see Stardust.  Having said that, I'd second the notion that Neverwhere would be a better choice.
 
2014-09-01 03:21:15 PM  

Hastor: Meh.  Gaiman's books don't exactly translate well to film: see Stardust.  Having said that, I'd second the notion that Neverwhere would be a better choice.


Stardust was definitely different, but I liked it. I will admit the cast had a pretty big part in that though. Robert de Niro was awesome while Claire Dames and Kate Magowan for their parts well. Could've used a different Tristan.
 
2014-09-01 04:22:40 PM  

alienated: doglover: Waste of bandwidth. All the best parts of the book can't be translated to film and what's left isn't exactly stellar.

Wut ? Personally, I like the idea of drawing it out for a show. Not like under the dome, but I could see the book as about 20 episodes. It would have to be a late night cable show, as
it wouldnt work otherwise, imho .



Between American Gods and Small Gods, Small Gods would make the better TV show. They're basically the same story, only one is fun and one is 2Edgy4U.
 
2014-09-01 04:32:32 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".


Thank you.

American Gods isn't offensively bad, but it is shallow.
 
2014-09-01 04:49:35 PM  

BroVinny: Tyrone Slothrop: All Latest: Where is American Gods 2? Neil? Anyone?

It's called "Anasi Boys".

Really, that's more of a spinoff than a sequel.  Garman has promised to continue Shadow's adventures in another novel, but he's been distracted writing excellent episodes of Doctor Who running around the U.S. being a celebrity.


Okay, the guy has a relatively new wife and his kids are getting to the age where he could conceivably be a grandpa real soon now, so for the sake of all those relationships he owes it to himself to take enough time away from work to stay sane and connected. Hell, take a year or two sabbatical if it'll recharge his batteries, I don't think there are any financial constraints keeping him from doing that.

But for the last few years it seems like he's been busy as hell signing autographs and doing cute little things on stage, but without a whole lot of new work finding its way into print.

/yeah, yeah, if GRRM is no one's biatch, no other writer is either, I know, I know.
 
2014-09-01 04:51:40 PM  
Hasn't this series been rumored to be coming to television for at least a few years?
 
2014-09-01 05:11:27 PM  

All Latest: Where is American Gods 2? Neil? Anyone?


When I first heard a bout this a year or so ago, Gaiman said that the series will include original material and story lines. So, the series will basically be American Gods 2.
 
2014-09-01 06:51:58 PM  

Dino-Czar: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".

Thank you.

American Gods isn't offensively bad, but it is shallow.


I think it's less shallow than a product of its time, like the Watchmen, and operating under unusual constraints not easily apparent to the casual reader: It was pretty deep for its time, but people have imitated it, and refined the concepts (and characters) that it put forth, so it seems pretty rough compared to more recent novels with the same conceptual superstructure. How you would film the themes of archetypes and neoplatonic divinity escapes me.

The interesting thing is that it is shallow compared to the Sandman, but translating the Sandman to the screen would lose its essence in the transference, like the Watchmen under Zack Snyder. The Watchmen was primarily a demonstration of the nature of time in comic books, and Snyder (whom one would have otherwise thought to get notions of sequential and simultaneous time) just filmed the story. He also didn't get the grittiness of the fight scenes, getting them ass-backwards as super-human rather than more like Eastern Promises sub-human. He improved the story, but that only happened because he ignored the bones of the work over which the narrative face was stretched.

Anansi Boys, on the other hand, could be great if given to a director like Joss Whedon.
 
2014-09-01 06:58:09 PM  

BroVinny: Lackofname: Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.

This. I mean, I loved American Gods, but it's ... contemplative. It's complex and not fast. I don't think a TV translation would work well, even if I would love to see the various Gods on a visual medium (particularly at the end, when the old and new gods' true forms are visible).

I also guess HBO caved on having a black protagonist. The first time HBO tried to do it, they wanted a white main character. Gaiman said no.

Yeah, Shadow can't be white, but he can't be unmistakably black, either.  The conversation with the prison guard early on indicates that even the guard, while speculating Shadow might have some black ancestry, isn't sure.  If Vin Diesel could pull off nuance....


I am Groot.
 
2014-09-01 07:30:48 PM  

BroVinny: If Vin Diesel could pull off nuance....


Wiki for Mutli-Facial
Multi-Facial
Part 2


Find me Guilty

Boiler Room

In short, Vin is a better actor than he gets credit for
 
2014-09-01 07:31:54 PM  

I am Groot: BroVinny: Lackofname: Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.

This. I mean, I loved American Gods, but it's ... contemplative. It's complex and not fast. I don't think a TV translation would work well, even if I would love to see the various Gods on a visual medium (particularly at the end, when the old and new gods' true forms are visible).

I also guess HBO caved on having a black protagonist. The first time HBO tried to do it, they wanted a white main character. Gaiman said no.

Yeah, Shadow can't be white, but he can't be unmistakably black, either.  The conversation with the prison guard early on indicates that even the guard, while speculating Shadow might have some black ancestry, isn't sure.  If Vin Diesel could pull off nuance....

I am Groot.


You're too tall to be cast as Shadow.
 
2014-09-01 07:42:51 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".


 

Doc Batarang: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".

And don't forget that the protagonists which are often so unbelievably blank that one could substitute them between books with no definable difference in outcome at any point.


Dino-Czar: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".

Thank you.

American Gods isn't offensively bad, but it is shallow.


If you think American Gods is bad, you literally don;t understand good writing.  period.
 
2014-09-01 07:50:26 PM  

Hastor: Meh. Gaiman's books don't exactly translate well to film: see Stardust.


They didn't try to translate his book into a film, they merely made a film with the same name as his book.
 
2014-09-01 08:03:20 PM  

Nurglitch: Dino-Czar: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".

Thank you.

American Gods isn't offensively bad, but it is shallow.

I think it's less shallow than a product of its time, like the Watchmen, and operating under unusual constraints not easily apparent to the casual reader: It was pretty deep for its time, but people have imitated it, and refined the concepts (and characters) that it put forth, so it seems pretty rough compared to more recent novels with the same conceptual superstructure....


Dude, it was published in 2001.  Till we have faces was published in 1951, and it wasn't new and exciting then, either.  Hell, Simonson's Thor played with the trope in the 80s or 90s, same characters and everything.

Magorn: If you think American Gods is bad, you literally don;t understand good writing.  period

I like you.
 
2014-09-01 08:13:18 PM  

flondrix: Hastor: Meh. Gaiman's books don't exactly translate well to film: see Stardust.

They didn't try to translate his book into a film, they merely made a film with the same name as his book.


And initial premise.

Everything else changed.
 
2014-09-01 11:42:46 PM  
Jesus Christ, it's be "on" and "off" so many times that, like Ghostbusters 3, I just don't care anymore.

Spare us the unsubstantiated bullshiat rumors, please!
 
2014-09-02 12:45:08 AM  

doglover: Between American Gods and Small Gods, Small Gods would make the better TV show. They're basically the same story, only one is fun and one is 2Edgy4U.


Okay, that made me laugh. I would really, really love to see more Pratchett adapted to telly. But not as 2 part or one part mini movies. Wyrd Sisters alone is at least a 5 ep mini-series.
Happy Hogswatch !
 
2014-09-02 01:33:06 AM  

Magorn: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".

 Doc Batarang: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".

And don't forget that the protagonists which are often so unbelievably blank that one could substitute them between books with no definable difference in outcome at any point.

Dino-Czar: SockMonkeyHolocaust: I hope they are able to adeptly capture Gaiman's unique interpretation of a high schooler's grasp of the first 10 pages of a Joseph Scott Campbell book and the inability to write a second character trait for a female character beyond "thing people stick their dicks into".

Thank you.

American Gods isn't offensively bad, but it is shallow.

If you think American Gods is bad, you literally don;t understand good writing.  period.


I don't think it's bad. I think it's okay. It certainly isn't great writing for the most part, but there are some really interesting passages and scenes in there. The things that make it terrible, though, are the two main characters. That's a pretty tough hurdle to overcome when considering adaptation, ya know?
 
Skr
2014-09-02 05:13:14 AM  

Summoner101: Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.

Or even Good Omens


More of a Pratchett fan than one of Gaiman's so a well done Good Omens is relevant to my interests.

I did like the film and book of Coraline though hmm.
 
2014-09-02 08:23:44 AM  
I feel like a weirdo since I hated American Gods and thought it was horribly written. It's considered a "favorite book ever" by several friends.

I liked certain thematic elements of the story, but man - what a snoozer.

I'd actually check out a screen adaptation though!
 
2014-09-02 09:38:16 AM  

zedster: BroVinny: If Vin Diesel could pull off nuance....

Wiki for Mutli-Facial
Multi-Facial
Part 2


Find me Guilty

Boiler Room

In short, Vin is a better actor than he gets credit for


This^

Loved him in Pitch Black and Saving Private Ryan.

/triple X can eat it.
 
2014-09-02 10:55:21 AM  

stoicjohn: The Anansi Boys audio book is great.

/Show me your lime.


According to Mr. Gaiman:  he got Lenny Henry to do the audio book because, while he was writing it he
kept hearing all the lines & narration read in his voice.

Lenny was glad to do it, and in payment he demanded a full run of first-edition SANDMAN comics in lieu of
cash.
 
2014-09-02 11:26:31 AM  

BroVinny: but he's been distracted writing excellent episodes of Doctor Who.


Well they were episodes, so you're half right.
 
2014-09-02 11:33:30 AM  

BalugaJoe: Boring book.


This. I'm not one to take a shiat on things like this, but I got about 75 pages in and I just couldn't take it any more. I didn't care in the least about ANY of the characters, the whole thing was a boring, slogging, trudge and I found the protagonist (the guy getting out of prison) as well as the gods themselves to be so utterly off-putting that I finally just put the book down.

I'm willing to try it again because I feel like I want to like it but I just can't.
 
2014-09-02 12:33:40 PM  

Tax Boy: BroVinny: but he's been distracted writing excellent episodes of Doctor Who.

Well they were episodes, so you're half right.


The Whovians of my acquaintance adored "The Doctor's Wife".
 
2014-09-02 01:42:18 PM  
So Vin Diessel for Shadow.  Brian Blessing as Oden..... now if only Clavon Little hadnt died he could have been Mr Nancy.

Were the characters really that thin that I cannot think of another major character?
 
2014-09-02 05:02:55 PM  

Saiga410: So Vin Diessel for Shadow.  Brian Blessing as Oden..... now if only Clavon Little hadnt died he could have been Mr Nancy.

Were the characters really that thin that I cannot think of another major character?


You can't forget "Low Key" Lyesmith.
 
2014-09-02 06:19:09 PM  

question_dj: Summoner101: Summoner101: I'd rather have a better, more expansive adaptation of Neverwhere.

Or even Good Omens

Only if Pratchett does the writing.  The transitions between Giaman and Pratchett's writings were painful in that book.  The only other Gaiman book I've read was American Gods, and it came off as a second-rate, campy Clive Barker.  And Mister B. Gone still ran circles around American Gods.


I hate to say it but I think Pratchett is pretty much gone. He can't write on his own these days and the collaborations have been of lesser quality.
 
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