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(USA Today)   Ferguson police force now using personal body cameras, will now have to remember to yell "THEY'RE COMING RIGHT AT US" before shooting people   (usatoday.com) divider line 331
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2014-09-01 11:50:13 AM  
*Makes Popcorn*
 
2014-09-01 12:03:16 PM  
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes spectas?
 
2014-09-01 03:16:07 PM  
They went up the ventilation shaft.
 
2014-09-01 03:17:12 PM  
Great idea, this would shut up the race baiters when they see what really goes on, not just a biased witness account that started this whole mess
 
2014-09-01 03:18:14 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes spectas?


Romani Ite Domum!
 
2014-09-01 03:19:17 PM  
You know, except for all those studies that say police complaints for excessive use of force drop significantly when they use cameras.

Maybe they'll stop threatening to kill people too.
 
2014-09-01 03:19:23 PM  
Nice thing about cameras is that no matter what you yell when you're gunning somebody down, the pictures will tell the real story. I'm guessing relations between residents and cops is about to get a lot more civil.
 
2014-09-01 03:19:44 PM  

dantheman195: Great idea, this would shut up the race baiters when they see what really goes on, not just a biased witness account that started this whole mess


so the witness account started the mess?
not shooting an unarmed, innocent citizen 10 times?

nice bias there


time for citizens to start wearing these body cameras 24x7 ...
study after study has shown that EVERYONE acts cooler and kinder while under camera ...
 
2014-09-01 03:20:08 PM  
The hard drive crashed.
 
2014-09-01 03:20:41 PM  
socialmediaforsmartpeople.com
 
2014-09-01 03:20:41 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: You know, except for all those studies that say police complaints for excessive use of force drop significantly when they use cameras.

Maybe they'll stop threatening to kill people too.


cant pull your gun and threaten to kill citizens if it ends up on youtube ... shock of shocks
 
2014-09-01 03:21:09 PM  
Here's how it worked with dashcams in Seattle: anytime anyone requested footage the cops thought might be questionable, they would claim not to be able to find it because of budget cuts.

So they're just going to release the hero video,
 
2014-09-01 03:21:49 PM  

BalugaJoe: The hard drive crashed.


no problem
cases dismissed and now you get to sue the cops for false arrest
no video evidence = no testimony ... TADA problem solved

no wait, people still dont believe that cops tell the truth on the stand do they?
ROFL
 
2014-09-01 03:22:05 PM  

dantheman195: Great idea, this would shut up the race baiters when they see what really goes on, not just a biased witness account that started this whole mess


Cameras don't just record behavior, they alter it. Whatever went on pre-camera, it won't be the same as what happens post-camera.
 
2014-09-01 03:22:09 PM  
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2014-09-01 03:23:40 PM  
Second line: the camera fell off.

Third line: the camera wasn't working at the time.
 
2014-09-01 03:23:46 PM  

namatad: Cobblestone Flag: You know, except for all those studies that say police complaints for excessive use of force drop significantly when they use cameras.

Maybe they'll stop threatening to kill people too.

cant pull your gun and threaten to kill citizens if it ends up on youtube ... shock of shocks


The data files will be quietly deleted, and nothing will be done about it.  "There was a technical issue.  The officer forgot to turn it on.  The battery died."  Don't get your hopes up.
 
2014-09-01 03:24:36 PM  
Here's how it worked with dashcams in Seattle: anytime anyone requested footage the cops thought might be questionable, they would claim not to be able to find it because of budget cuts.

Well then, I guess the camera downloads will have to go to a third party for safekeeping.
 
2014-09-01 03:25:39 PM  

MFAWG: Here's how it worked with dashcams in Seattle: anytime anyone requested footage the cops thought might be questionable, they would claim not to be able to find it because of budget cuts.

So they're just going to release the hero video,


time to sue the cops and city under FOIA ... TADA
you win either way ...
farking lying POS
 
2014-09-01 03:27:14 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: You know, except for all those studies that say police complaints for excessive use of force drop significantly when they use cameras.

Maybe they'll stop threatening to kill people too.


You mean there is no point ot making false allegations when there is a video recording? Who would have thunk it.
 
2014-09-01 03:27:15 PM  
Built in VVS. Who are these people who can't tell where in the screen the camera is being pointed?
 
2014-09-01 03:27:53 PM  

namatad: study after study has shown that EVERYONE acts cooler and kinder while under camera ...


Really? Have people started acting nice and friendly-like toward people wearing Google Glass?
 
2014-09-01 03:28:28 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes spectas?


quis custodiet ipsos custodes, custodientes vigilias...
 
2014-09-01 03:28:40 PM  
This is a good step, but will not ultimately solve the systemic problems. Cameras cannot cure racism, only document it. It also won't address the underlying economic disparities that are the root cause of much of the frustration.
 
2014-09-01 03:28:54 PM  
Send gargoyles.
 
2014-09-01 03:28:58 PM  
An improvement to be certain but police have a habit of losing video from their cameras, declaring they were malfunctioning or never turned on in the first place.
 
2014-09-01 03:32:00 PM  

dantheman195: Great idea, this would shut up the race baiters when they see what really goes on, not just a biased witness account that started this whole mess


As opposed to the account from the cop who shot Brown, which was verified by...a friend of the cop's who wasn't present at the incident.
 
2014-09-01 03:34:25 PM  
Next step is to pass a law that states that if the police officer failed to record the event with his camera, that he or she is assumed to have tampered with evidence.
 
2014-09-01 03:35:16 PM  
Can't wait for the anti-camera backlash when 99% of the footage shows thugs acting like thugs and cops trying their best to do everything except shoot them, but being given no choice.

B-b-b-ut the cameras are RACIST!!
 
2014-09-01 03:36:19 PM  

Xetal: Next step is to pass a law that states that if the police officer failed to record the event with his camera, that he or she is assumed to have tampered with evidence.


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2014-09-01 03:36:45 PM  
Great! I hereby volunteer to do any data recovery that the cameras might ever need, for  free, just pay for travel expenses.
 
2014-09-01 03:36:59 PM  
No reason for any citizen NOT to record all police contacts.

Police have been beating and killing Black men for a long time and getting away with it, but more and more of these events are being recorded by onlookers.  The Oscar Grant shooting of a handcuffed Black man lying face down and already in custody, was recorded by multiple witnesses.

Orwell correctly assumed that the government would be able to use video capability to monitor the public.  He did not anticipate that the same capacity would also be in the hands of virtually every citizen, and that the resulting images could be distributed to the rest of the world in a matter of seconds.

It's not great, but it does represent a weapon against public injustice.  Little Brother is watching also.  A good guy with a camera, etc.
 
2014-09-01 03:37:42 PM  

Xetal: Next step is to pass a law that states that if the police officer failed to record the event with his camera, that he or she is assumed to have tampered with evidence.


Yes then when some camera fails, which actually does happen in the real world, an innocent person can go to jail. You could be a politician today!
 
2014-09-01 03:38:47 PM  
 Im not seeing this as a huge fix for anything. There are already places that use those body cameras...and the departments refuse to release the tapes under the guise of "cant release the recordings due to an ongoing investigation". Just seems to be another thing the cops will keep to themselves, unless of course it makes them look good.
 
2014-09-01 03:39:49 PM  

generallyso: An improvement to be certain but police have a habit of losing video from their cameras, declaring they were malfunctioning or never turned on in the first place.


Hmm.  They are paid by the hour, right?

Make the video footage into the time card.  Upload 8 hours of video into the archive, get paid  for 8 hours that day.

Then see how credible the 'turned on every day except the day in question' works out in court
 
2014-09-01 03:40:07 PM  
i.imgur.com

Sorry, camera was "malfunctioning" and wasn't recording.
 
2014-09-01 03:40:53 PM  

Repack Rider: No reason for any citizen NOT to record all police contacts.

Police have been beating and killing Black men for a long time and getting away with it, but more and more of these events are being recorded by onlookers.  The Oscar Grant shooting of a handcuffed Black man lying face down and already in custody, was recorded by multiple witnesses.

Orwell correctly assumed that the government would be able to use video capability to monitor the public.  He did not anticipate that the same capacity would also be in the hands of virtually every citizen, and that the resulting images could be distributed to the rest of the world in a matter of seconds.

It's not great, but it does represent a weapon against public injustice.  Little Brother is watching also.  A good guy with a camera, etc.


Yesssssss; let's record everybody, all the time! The 4th amendment is meaningless anyway. The only people that will have a problem with that have something to hide. You don't have anything to hide, do you citizen?

/ Free swasticas for everyone!
 
2014-09-01 03:40:58 PM  

iheartscotch: Yes then when some camera fails, which actually does happen in the real world, an innocent person can go to jail. You could be a politician today!


As opposed to police routinely abusing their power to intimidate, assault, and kill people?  I'll take an occasional police officer wrongly charged with a crime over what is currently happening.
 
2014-09-01 03:41:30 PM  
How bout Robocops?
 
2014-09-01 03:41:38 PM  

iheartscotch: Xetal: Next step is to pass a law that states that if the police officer failed to record the event with his camera, that he or she is assumed to have tampered with evidence.

Yes then when some camera fails, which actually does happen in the real world, an innocent person can go to jail. You could be a politician today!


When you stack this on top of the fact that this Keystone Cop unit doesn't even file use of force reports, I'm sorry, they're not getting the benefit of the doubt.
 
2014-09-01 03:41:43 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: The data files will be quietly deleted, and nothing will be done about it.  "There was a technical issue.  The officer forgot to turn it on.  The battery died."  Don't get your hopes up.


And then the designated forensic tech with access to the secured, encrypted video recording drive will be the one in front of a jury for tampering with evidence.

Modern police video camera recorders are designed to be redundantly secure and recoverable, even to the point some of the higher end models both transmit to a cloud through a mobile hotspot card, AND incorporate a RAID array to ensure security of data.

There is a very limited pool to access data. The law enforcement division of the SO I run SAR for actually has theirs mounted in a safe in the back of the car, with only three people at any given time (not the officer) able to physically access the system to download.

There is no excuse for a modern police department NOT to incorporate cameras on their officers. The technology is not only mature, but compact. There are even major manufacturers making gun cameras.
 
2014-09-01 03:42:39 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: "There was a technical issue.  The officer forgot to turn it on.  The battery died."


So what I'm hearing is that the police department was negligent both in maintaining the equipment and in training its officers on the proper protocols and procedures for its use.
 
2014-09-01 03:43:08 PM  

Xetal: iheartscotch: Yes then when some camera fails, which actually does happen in the real world, an innocent person can go to jail. You could be a politician today!

As opposed to police routinely abusing their power to intimidate, assault, and kill people?  I'll take an occasional police officer wrongly charged with a crime over what is currently happening.


So how many innocent people are you ok with being in jail? As long as they are police offices of course.
 
2014-09-01 03:43:27 PM  

Guilty_plea_bargain: How bout Robocops?


You have 20 seconds to comply....
 
2014-09-01 03:43:51 PM  

Carth: So how many innocent people are you ok with being in jail? As long as they are police offices of course.


How many innocent people are you okay with being murdered?  As long as they're murdered by police officers of course.
 
2014-09-01 03:45:28 PM  
In other, unrelated news, personal camera manufacturers report sudden rash of hardware failures of cameras, at a loss to explain, promise a fix "in the near future".
 
2014-09-01 03:46:24 PM  

Xetal: Carth: So how many innocent people are you ok with being in jail? As long as they are police offices of course.

How many innocent people are you okay with being murdered?  As long as they're murdered by police officers of course.


I didn't propose a system that would lead to innocent police being jailed for technical problems. You did.

Instead of putting person in jail for life I'd say having multiple redundancies (like say a backup camera that  updates the feed to a server ar IAD automatically) is a much better and cheaper solution than yours.
 
2014-09-01 03:46:25 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: Make the video footage into the time card.  Upload 8 hours of video into the archive, get paid  for 8 hours that day.


I suspect that a misbehaving cop would rather be docked an hour's pay for some missing footage than risk incriminating himself on civil rights violation charges.
 
2014-09-01 03:47:21 PM  
hardinparamedic:
There is no excuse for a modern police department NOT to incorporate cameras on their officers. The technology is not only mature, but compact. There are even major manufacturers making gun cameras.

There are plenty of excuses, just not ones they want to have to publicly defend.
 
2014-09-01 03:48:32 PM  

Superjew: Can't wait for the anti-camera backlash when 99% of the footage shows thugs acting like thugs and cops trying their best to do everything except shoot them, but being given no choice.

B-b-b-ut the cameras are RACIST!!


What would be the "racist" component of someone being a "thug," or for that matter a drunk driver, jaywalker, shoplifter, or any other citizen a police officer might contact, and who might be subject to overzealous policing?

The term refers to behavior, nor race, so only an idiot or a strawman would fulfill your fantasy.

Thanks for trolling playing.
 
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