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2014-09-01 07:28:34 AM  
Will Wenger find a striker? Absolutely.
Will Wenger buy that striker? Who the hell knows.
 
2014-09-01 07:33:02 AM  
Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?
 
2014-09-01 07:48:19 AM  
 
2014-09-01 07:58:44 AM  

FourDirections: This is a pretty good live feed: http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2014/sep/01/transfer-deadlin e -day-live


Yes it is. Also good is http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/28678010
 
2014-09-01 08:07:57 AM  
My #1 wish every transfer window is that Real replaces Pepe. I doubt this will be the year it comes true...
 
2014-09-01 08:09:34 AM  

Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?


Certainly not me. Once Utd get all their players back and fit, the squad looks potentially very strong. Reasons to be cheerful.

I also see that I'm no longer the only one suggesting that the best way to deploy all this talent is for Rooney to drop back into an attacking midfielder role. Sell it to him as a natural position for a captain, where he can see more of the game, and also that he'll get on the ball more. He tends to do that anyway late in games when he's frustrated, so just go with it.
 
2014-09-01 08:15:55 AM  
OK, here's my stupid/provocative thought for the day: Alex Ferguson is partly responsible for the under-performance of England teams over the past few years.

It's increasingly becoming the consensus that, based on the last couple of years, SAF was getting exceptional performances out of ordinary players. And several of those players would then revert to completely ordinary performances in an England shirt. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, and Welbeck come immediately to mind.

Thoughts?
 
2014-09-01 08:17:00 AM  

Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?


Somebody on the United team not arsed about buying defenders and midfielders.
 
2014-09-01 08:18:19 AM  
I can't even think of this transfer window. Just watching arsenal and Leicester and they showed spurs v Liverpool highlights. God I hate Liverpool. So tired of them running riot on my beloved spurs. So so tired of it.
 
2014-09-01 08:26:16 AM  

czetie: Certainly not me. Once Utd get all their players back and fit, the squad looks potentially very strong. Reasons to be cheerful.

I also see that I'm no longer the only one suggesting that the best way to deploy all this talent is for Rooney to drop back into an attacking midfielder role. Sell it to him as a natural position for a captain, where he can see more of the game, and also that he'll get on the ball more. He tends to do that anyway late in games when he's frustrated, so just go with it.


I think Falcao gets United back into the Top 4 once players return to fitness. Unfortunately, the team that's bumped out of Top 4 in that scenario is Arsenal, unless Arsenal land both a DM and a striker today. I think Carvalho might go through, but I honestly don't see Wenger closing the deal on a striker. The only top level striker available at the moment is Cavani, and I don't see him coming to Arsenal, despite how much I want him to arrive. I've resigned myself to Arsenal going into the season with Sanogo, and scrapping for sixth place.

Is it too early to start drinking?
 
2014-09-01 08:28:36 AM  

czetie: OK, here's my stupid/provocative thought for the day: Alex Ferguson is partly responsible for the under-performance of England teams over the past few years.

It's increasingly becoming the consensus that, based on the last couple of years, SAF was getting exceptional performances out of ordinary players. And several of those players would then revert to completely ordinary performances in an England shirt. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, and Welbeck come immediately to mind.

Thoughts?


Perhaps, but then again that makes me think that the coaching level of England's national team is not nearly up to snuff if they're unable to get the same performance from the same players.
 
2014-09-01 08:44:47 AM  
From the BBC feed:

Ollie in London: Arsenal were supposed to have £100m to spend, have spent £30m net, and only have 6 defenders and 2 strikers on their first-team books. Now Wenger is managing a charity match in Rome on deadline day.
Arsenal have played appalling football, have had poor results, and every man and his dog knows the areas that need improving, yet we have seen nothing. Arsene has brought us through tough times, but now we are "through that period" he needs to start showing ambition again or leave. Arsenal fans will not continue to pay the most expensive tickets in the league for a club aspiring for fourth place and the occasional domestic trophy.


Spot-on. Except the supporters do. We continue to take shiat over and over and over.
 
2014-09-01 08:53:03 AM  

SmackLT: czetie: OK, here's my stupid/provocative thought for the day: Alex Ferguson is partly responsible for the under-performance of England teams over the past few years.

It's increasingly becoming the consensus that, based on the last couple of years, SAF was getting exceptional performances out of ordinary players. And several of those players would then revert to completely ordinary performances in an England shirt. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, and Welbeck come immediately to mind.

Thoughts?

Perhaps, but then again that makes me think that the coaching level of England's national team is not nearly up to snuff if they're unable to get the same performance from the same players.


...especially since he had internationals who performed the same with MU and their nat'l teams...

/...and Chicharito performing the same at MU and at Mexico is what got him loaned to Real Madrid...
 
2014-09-01 08:54:32 AM  

SmackLT: czetie: OK, here's my stupid/provocative thought for the day: Alex Ferguson is partly responsible for the under-performance of England teams over the past few years.

It's increasingly becoming the consensus that, based on the last couple of years, SAF was getting exceptional performances out of ordinary players. And several of those players would then revert to completely ordinary performances in an England shirt. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, and Welbeck come immediately to mind.

Thoughts?

Perhaps, but then again that makes me think that the coaching level of England's national team is not nearly up to snuff if they're unable to get the same performance from the same players.


It's not just SAF but the amount of exceptional forigners have made an entire generation of England players look much better than they were.

It's not just Rooney, Cleverly, Beckham, the Nevilles etc but also Lampard, Gerrard, Cole, Terry, etc etc.

Also the last few England managers have tried to play the 11 best players and not field a good team. For example Gerrard and Lampard should never be in the same line up, a proper left winger should play on the left and not a striker or central midfielder etc.
 
2014-09-01 08:54:50 AM  

IlGreven: SmackLT: czetie: OK, here's my stupid/provocative thought for the day: Alex Ferguson is partly responsible for the under-performance of England teams over the past few years.

It's increasingly becoming the consensus that, based on the last couple of years, SAF was getting exceptional performances out of ordinary players. And several of those players would then revert to completely ordinary performances in an England shirt. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, and Welbeck come immediately to mind.

Thoughts?

Perhaps, but then again that makes me think that the coaching level of England's national team is not nearly up to snuff if they're unable to get the same performance from the same players.

...especially since he had internationals who performed the same with MU and their nat'l teams...

/...and Chicharito performing the same at MU and at Mexico is what got him loaned to Real Madrid...


Incorrect. Having a massive following in Latin America and being a poacher got him to Real. Real has no depth at CF.
 
2014-09-01 09:01:12 AM  
And what about Dieter Dengler for that matter? Can we expect him to have relevance on the Pitch this fortnight?
 
2014-09-01 09:39:23 AM  
I'm going with Arsenal sign Sami K. and Marco R. while selling Podulski to Italy and Cambpell to Portugal.

Also look for Man U. to play a 3-4-3 the rest of the year.
 
2014-09-01 09:40:05 AM  

balfourk: I'm going with Arsenal sign Sami K. and Marco R. while selling Podulski to Italy and Cambpell to Portugal.

Also look for Man U. to play a 3-4-3 the rest of the year.


Oh I'm already drinking.
 
2014-09-01 09:47:19 AM  
I'd be over the moon if Arsenal picked up:

Khedira in to replace Arteta as a holding mid for a few years
Carvalho in as the DM we need (although there's always the longshot Lars Bender, which I'd prefer)
Cavani up front as a striker

I don't have my hopes up, though. Alexis Sanchez is quality, but he was in yesterday and Sanogo scuffed shots all over the place. Sanogo may yet turn out to be the striker Wenger envisions, but he's not currently playing well enough to get us to fourth place, much less win silverware
 
2014-09-01 09:49:37 AM  
I've been googling "Arsenal rumours" every day for about a month.  Arsenal loves to start negotiations but hates completing them.  So farking frustrated.  Is it drinky time yet?
 
2014-09-01 09:51:35 AM  

Langston: I'd be over the moon if Arsenal picked up:

Khedira in to replace Arteta as a holding mid for a few years
Carvalho in as the DM we need (although there's always the longshot Lars Bender, which I'd prefer)
Cavani up front as a striker

I don't have my hopes up, though. Alexis Sanchez is quality, but he was in yesterday and Sanogo scuffed shots all over the place. Sanogo may yet turn out to be the striker Wenger envisions, but he's not currently playing well enough to get us to fourth place, much less win silverware


Khedira's playing out his contract, so that's out.
 
2014-09-01 09:56:38 AM  

Princip's Sandwich: Khedira's playing out his contract, so that's out.


Ancelotti didn't say that until negotiations broke down with the teams that were in for him. I don't believe that they'd reject an offer to get money for him this year rather than nothing for him next year. All they're doing this year is paying him to sit on the bench behind James Rodriguez and Toni Kroos.
 
2014-09-01 10:00:26 AM  

sephjnr: Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?

Somebody on the United team not arsed about buying defenders and midfielders.


Thing is, they have a couple of good defenders currently not playing in Shaw and Rojo. And at a stretch, Rafael is apparently still on the Utd books. He's always been weak as a defender, but he could be a good fit for the wing-back role, at least as a backup. One more strong, experienced defender so that I never have to hear the words "Jonny Evans" ever again would be nice, though.

As for the midfield, Herrara should be back soon. I don't know what's going on with Januzaj, but he could play inside. And if Rooney can accept an attacking midfielder role, it looks reasonable enough.

Much as I like Mata as a player, I don't see where he fits in van Gaal's plans. Perhaps Utd should sell both him and Fellatio and then we can pretend the Moyes period never happened at all.
 
2014-09-01 10:01:03 AM  
Not that Wenger will pick him up on his wage demands, but rather that he'd fit nicely into one of our current holes.

/phrasing
 
2014-09-01 10:05:45 AM  

Langston: Princip's Sandwich: Khedira's playing out his contract, so that's out.

Ancelotti didn't say that until negotiations broke down with the teams that were in for him. I don't believe that they'd reject an offer to get money for him this year rather than nothing for him next year. All they're doing this year is paying him to sit on the bench behind James Rodriguez and Toni Kroos.


More like Modric and Kroos, but yeah. There's also the fact that the squad is pretty thin on numbers right now. Counting the just-loaned Chicharito, Real has 19 players on the first team. Sure, they can call up Castilla players, but those are the same guys who got themselves relegated to Segunda B.
 
2014-09-01 10:26:25 AM  

Princip's Sandwich: More like Modric and Kroos, but yeah. There's also the fact that the squad is pretty thin on numbers right now. Counting the just-loaned Chicharito, Real has 19 players on the first team. Sure, they can call up Castilla players, but those are the same guys who got themselves relegated to Segunda B.


I sort of don't think it'll happen, since there's still a place for him in the squad even if he's not a starter.  He'd be a good addition to Arsenal, though. Arteta's a really intelligent player, just aging and a long-term injury is more and more likely as he gets older.
 
2014-09-01 10:55:41 AM  

Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?


W-why?  They need defenders and a team shape.  WTF is Van Gaal smokin'?!
 
2014-09-01 11:00:32 AM  

Langston: From the BBC feed:

Ollie in London: Arsenal were supposed to have £100m to spend, have spent £30m net, and only have 6 defenders and 2 strikers on their first-team books. Now Wenger is managing a charity match in Rome on deadline day.
Arsenal have played appalling football, have had poor results, and every man and his dog knows the areas that need improving, yet we have seen nothing. Arsene has brought us through tough times, but now we are "through that period" he needs to start showing ambition again or leave. Arsenal fans will not continue to pay the most expensive tickets in the league for a club aspiring for fourth place and the occasional domestic trophy.

Spot-on. Except the supporters do. We continue to take shiat over and over and over.


This; they start complaining about AW and the xfer and "SPEND SOME F**IN' MONEY!" but when they're askied to renew, they do so without hesitation.

They're gluttons for punishement that lot.
 
2014-09-01 11:08:48 AM  

Rwa2play: Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?

W-why?  They need defenders and a team shape.  WTF is Van Gaal smokin'?!


Don't you know? Having an out-of-this-world attack solves all problems. Just ask the biggest example of the last decade, Galactico Real Madrid. Why, they won every title possible.
 
2014-09-01 11:13:37 AM  

Rwa2play: W-why?  They need defenders and a team shape.  WTF is Van Gaal smokin'?!


Seems like a big budget signing for the bench unless RvP is crocked. Or maybe he plays RvP beside Falcao in a 4-4-2?
 
2014-09-01 11:14:23 AM  

Rwa2play: Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?

W-why?  They need defenders and a team shape.  WTF is Van Gaal smokin'?!


As crazy as I sound, I think they are OK for defenders once Shaw is back and Rojo has a work permit (although one more central defender would be nice).

As far as team shape: I have no idea what van Gaal has in mind, other than the famous "throw a bunch of expensive players in the middle of the park and hope some magic happens".
 
2014-09-01 11:17:18 AM  
I wish Fellaini would be gone by the end of the day. Utd may have to take a bath on him financially, but his value is not going to increase with no playing time.
 
2014-09-01 11:53:05 AM  

czetie: OK, here's my stupid/provocative thought for the day: Alex Ferguson is partly responsible for the under-performance of England teams over the past few years.

It's increasingly becoming the consensus that, based on the last couple of years, SAF was getting exceptional performances out of ordinary players. And several of those players would then revert to completely ordinary performances in an England shirt. Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, and Welbeck come immediately to mind.

Thoughts?


Smalling has played 12 times for England. Jones has played 10 times for England. Cleverley has played 13 times for England. Welbeck has played 26 times for England.

I think their problems run *slightly* deeper than this; for example, the absolute refusal of elite clubs to invest time, money and patience into developing young English players.

It's also funny that when players (say Tom Cleverley or, I don't know, Tyler Blackett) play, their own "fans" start mocking them.

I'm still on ignore, yeah?
 
2014-09-01 11:54:11 AM  
Imagine if United were as good at signing players they do need as those they don't.
 
2014-09-01 11:55:02 AM  
Hayley McQueen > Rebecca Lowe
 
2014-09-01 12:01:20 PM  
Remember the fan who ran onto the pitch and took the free kick during the West Ham-Spurs match? He was only fined for his actions and the article is humorous for the judge's comments.
 
2014-09-01 12:04:01 PM  

desertgeek: Remember the fan who ran onto the pitch and took the free kick during the West Ham-Spurs match? He was only fined for his actions and the article is humorous for the judge's comments.


Eriksen should be ashamed.
 
2014-09-01 12:26:44 PM  
I wonder how big Univision's boner is right now
 
2014-09-01 12:31:47 PM  
 
2014-09-01 12:35:02 PM  
pbs.twimg.com

via BBC606 via some guy
 
2014-09-01 12:40:26 PM  

dietbubba: I wonder how big Univision's boner is right now


Visible from space with the naked eye, no doubt. Haven't tuned in today. It'll only get worse when he gets his first appearance.
 
2014-09-01 12:53:58 PM  

czetie: Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?

Certainly not me. Once Utd get all their players back and fit, the squad looks potentially very strong. Reasons to be cheerful.

I also see that I'm no longer the only one suggesting that the best way to deploy all this talent is for Rooney to drop back into an attacking midfielder role. Sell it to him as a natural position for a captain, where he can see more of the game, and also that he'll get on the ball more. He tends to do that anyway late in games when he's frustrated, so just go with it.


Then what of Mata?  I don't think Mata is likely to be left out, as he's a better attacking mid than Rooney....when he's got cover defensively behind him.  If that comes in the form of a midfield three of Blind, di Maria and Ander Herrera, then I think Mata stays and RVP (who is facing surgery) drops out.

The Falcao thing is a masterstroke, in my opinion.  LVG would have likely sold it to him by telling him to look at how free flowing and high scoring the Dutch were in the World Cup, and telling him that he should come to United and be the spark with ADM to get them back to the Champions League; and if they fail to make the top-4, he's free to be sold to a Champions League side in June.
 
2014-09-01 12:55:31 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: czetie: Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?

Certainly not me. Once Utd get all their players back and fit, the squad looks potentially very strong. Reasons to be cheerful.

I also see that I'm no longer the only one suggesting that the best way to deploy all this talent is for Rooney to drop back into an attacking midfielder role. Sell it to him as a natural position for a captain, where he can see more of the game, and also that he'll get on the ball more. He tends to do that anyway late in games when he's frustrated, so just go with it.

Then what of Mata?  I don't think Mata is likely to be left out, as he's a better attacking mid than Rooney....when he's got cover defensively behind him.  If that comes in the form of a midfield three of Blind, di Maria and Ander Herrera, then I think Mata stays and RVP (who is facing surgery) drops out.

The Falcao thing is a masterstroke, in my opinion.  LVG would have likely sold it to him by telling him to look at how free flowing and high scoring the Dutch were in the World Cup, and telling him that he should come to United and be the spark with ADM to get them back to the Champions League; and if they fail to make the top-4, he's free to be sold to a Champions League side in June.


It's a loan deal. They didn't buy the guy. So he can easily just never return once the deal's up.
 
2014-09-01 01:01:57 PM  

balfourk: I'm going with Arsenal sign Sami K. and Marco R. while selling Podulski to Italy and Cambpell to Portugal.

Also look for Man U. to play a 3-4-3 the rest of the year.


Khedira is staying, the selling of Xabi Alonso and the game against Sociedad showed how apparent that it.  Real cannot play with a front 6 of Modric, Kroos, Rodriguez, Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema against top competition.  There is simply too much going forward and too much space between the midfield and back four.  Their attacking wet dream couldn't help their defense against freaking RS yesterday.  Either Kroos or Modric will have to make way for a proper defensive midfielder.  Khedira is not flashy, but he's solid and he's been crucial in both Germany's World Cup campaign and Real's Champions League triumph last year.

Incidentally, I think Rodriguez is the one I think should be left out, as he's showing himself to be exactly what I thought he was....a guy who had a great World Cup, but isn't quite the player everyone was orgasming over.  He was dreadful against RS, he loses possession, doesn't offer much defensively, and his passing is suspect.  A midfield three of Modric, Khedira and Kroos would be better.
 
2014-09-01 01:04:31 PM  

Princip's Sandwich: HideAndGoFarkYourself: czetie: Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?

Certainly not me. Once Utd get all their players back and fit, the squad looks potentially very strong. Reasons to be cheerful.

I also see that I'm no longer the only one suggesting that the best way to deploy all this talent is for Rooney to drop back into an attacking midfielder role. Sell it to him as a natural position for a captain, where he can see more of the game, and also that he'll get on the ball more. He tends to do that anyway late in games when he's frustrated, so just go with it.

Then what of Mata?  I don't think Mata is likely to be left out, as he's a better attacking mid than Rooney....when he's got cover defensively behind him.  If that comes in the form of a midfield three of Blind, di Maria and Ander Herrera, then I think Mata stays and RVP (who is facing surgery) drops out.

The Falcao thing is a masterstroke, in my opinion.  LVG would have likely sold it to him by telling him to look at how free flowing and high scoring the Dutch were in the World Cup, and telling him that he should come to United and be the spark with ADM to get them back to the Champions League; and if they fail to make the top-4, he's free to be sold to a Champions League side in June.

It's a loan deal. They didn't buy the guy. So he can easily just never return once the deal's up.


Um, I know.  That's why I said that he's free to be sold to a Champions League side in June.  As in, Monaco selling him....

Either way, as with most Loan Deals for established players, United likely has a clause in there to have first rights to signing him after the season if they choose.
 
2014-09-01 01:05:18 PM  
Rumors flying now that Arsenal are making a hard push for Reus, but their latest offer of €40M has been rejected by Dortmund.
 
2014-09-01 01:08:37 PM  

Rwa2play: Langston: Also, holy shiat: Falcao to United on a season-long loan. Who the hell saw that one coming?

W-why?  They need defenders and a team shape.  WTF is Van Gaal smokin'?!


LVG has said his preferred formation is a 4-3-3, which is what he used with the Netherlands until Strootman's injury.  A back four of Rafael, Jones, Rojo, and Shaw.  a midfield of Blind, di Maria and Ander Herrera, and a front three of Rooney, Mata and Falcao (considering rumors are that RVP is injured) is a great line-up.  I still wish they would have been able to bring in a truly world class center back, but alas, there's always January.

Plus, if the rumors are true about Strootman being brought in over the January window, that only strengthens the squad as you can move di Maria more wide where he was able to wreak havoc at Madrid last season.
 
2014-09-01 01:12:01 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Then what of Mata? I don't think Mata is likely to be left out, as he's a better attacking mid than Rooney....when he's got cover defensively behind him. If that comes in the form of a midfield three of Blind, di Maria and Ander Herrera, then I think Mata stays and RVP (who is facing surgery) drops out.


I don't see how to fit Mata into the system either, to be honest. But I think given all the other pieces, Rooney is a better fit for that role. He can run with the ball, he can play long passes, and he can shoot from distance. Maybe I haven't seen enough of Mata -- but I certainly haven't seen him do that for Utd.

I don't know, maybe play Rooney up top and Mata as attacking midfielder while RvP get's right, then drop Rooney back and sell Mata in the winter window?

But frankly, speaking as the guy who racked up a perfect -110 in FFPL at the weekend, you should probably ignore everything I say.
 
2014-09-01 01:12:27 PM  
Tottenham: Sandro out, Stambouili (holding mid) in
 
2014-09-01 01:14:29 PM  
Sky Sports saying that Welbeck is at Arsenal getting a medical. Not sure I believe it.

Miquel out to Norwich
Ryo Miyachi out to a Dutch side, but I didn't catch the name
 
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