Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Deadspin)   Dear Coach: When it's 3rd down with less than a minute left and you have the lead and the ball .. take a knee. Sincerely, Holy Cross football fans   ( deadspin.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Holy Cross, field goal range, hard hits, college radios  
•       •       •

4172 clicks; posted to Sports » on 01 Sep 2014 at 9:09 AM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



41 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2014-09-01 07:21:22 AM  
"If you'd of had Rifleman hold on to the ball we we would have won. We didn't quit, *you* quit!"
 
2014-09-01 08:49:52 AM  
Well, to be fair, there was over a minute to go on third down, so taking a knee twice would have had Holy Cross turn the ball over on downs, giving Albany one or two offensive plays.   So, it's very possible that Holy Cross would have lost in another fashion.

I have to think that the Holy Cross loss was God's will.
 
2014-09-01 09:21:08 AM  

Earguy: Well, to be fair, there was over a minute to go on third down, so taking a knee twice would have had Holy Cross turn the ball over on downs, giving Albany one or two offensive plays.   So, it's very possible that Holy Cross would have lost in another fashion.

I have to think that the Holy Cross loss was God's will.


You take a knee once and take the short fg with about 20 seconds left making it a 2 score game
 
2014-09-01 09:25:39 AM  
I am wondering why the play was not called dead immediately when the runner's helmet came off.
 
2014-09-01 09:27:51 AM  
Take a knee.
Punt with 20 seconds left.
Other team gets ball at 20 with about 15 seconds left.
If they can get 6 that way they deserve it.
 
2014-09-01 09:28:07 AM  
trick question. there are no holy cross football fans.
 
2014-09-01 09:39:07 AM  

LSUMJ: Earguy: Well, to be fair, there was over a minute to go on third down, so taking a knee twice would have had Holy Cross turn the ball over on downs, giving Albany one or two offensive plays.   So, it's very possible that Holy Cross would have lost in another fashion.

I have to think that the Holy Cross loss was God's will.

You take a knee once and take the short fg with about 20 seconds left making it a 2 score game


That's not really a short field goal for a FCS kicker.
 
2014-09-01 09:41:34 AM  

wichitaleaf: Take a knee.
Punt with 20 seconds left.
Other team gets ball at 20 with about 15 seconds left.
If they can get 6 that way they deserve it.


The play was at the 21. Take a knee, run the clock down, and attempt the FG.
 
2014-09-01 09:47:50 AM  

harleyquinnical: I am wondering why the play was not called dead immediately when the runner's helmet came off.


Did the ball come loose first? It's only an offensive team helmet that causes a whistle.

Also, referees often don't call the game by the rulebook at the very end because they're concerned about "changing the game". They're apparently immune to irony.
 
2014-09-01 09:51:28 AM  

wichitaleaf: Take a knee.
Punt with 20 seconds left.
Other team gets ball at 20 with about 15 seconds left.
If they can get 6 that way they deserve it.


Take a knee. Run the clock down until you get a delay of game penalty.

On fourth down, instruct your quarterback to take the snap and run backwards, killing as much time as possible once he gets to the end zone.

Take the safety. Play field position on the free kick.
 
2014-09-01 10:00:50 AM  

Gonz: wichitaleaf: Take a knee.
Punt with 20 seconds left.
Other team gets ball at 20 with about 15 seconds left.
If they can get 6 that way they deserve it.

Take a knee. Run the clock down until you get a delay of game penalty.

On fourth down, instruct your quarterback to take the snap and run backwards, killing as much time as possible once he gets to the end zone.

Take the safety. Play field position on the free kick.


They'd be better off just kicking the field goal. That would be less risky.
 
2014-09-01 10:07:28 AM  

I am Groot: trick question. there are no holy cross football fans.


Probably only Bill Simmons, but he's a douche so who cares.
 
2014-09-01 10:11:53 AM  

I am Groot: trick question. there are no holy cross football fans.


Wrong, won't say why but always find a part of me pulling for them.
 
2014-09-01 10:19:36 AM  
Nobody takes a knee on 3rd down in that situation.  Everyone runs the ball to the middle of the field, or else they try the field goal on 3rd.
 
2014-09-01 10:20:05 AM  

dstanley: "If you'd of had Rifleman hold on to the ball we we would have won. We didn't quit, *you* quit!"


Great reference. Thanks for reminding me of Lea Thompson's greatest moment.

As to the substance of the story, I'll leave this here and marvel at how any football coach could ever forget it:

media.lehighvalleylive.com
 
2014-09-01 10:32:17 AM  
Take a knee on third, run clock down
On 4th have your QB run directly into the ass of one of your offensive linemen
 
2014-09-01 10:32:21 AM  
You'd think a Catholic school would hire people who know what pride goeth before.
 
2014-09-01 10:43:00 AM  

iron_city_ap: wichitaleaf: Take a knee.
Punt with 20 seconds left.
Other team gets ball at 20 with about 15 seconds left.
If they can get 6 that way they deserve it.

The play was at the 21. Take a knee, run the clock down, and attempt the FG.


Maybe Holy Cross was worried the Albany defensive line would run in like crazy if they took a knee, like what Schiano did to the Giants.
 
2014-09-01 10:43:52 AM  

meanmutton: harleyquinnical: I am wondering why the play was not called dead immediately when the runner's helmet came off.

Did the ball come loose first? It's only an offensive team helmet that causes a whistle.

Also, referees often don't call the game by the rulebook at the very end because they're concerned about "changing the game". They're apparently immune to irony.


I keep watching it and both occur at the same time so I would think the benefit of the doubt would go to the offense, but the dead ball is a matter of player safety. Granted, getting everyone to stop on such a play is impossible. Sigh. Stupid rules changing the game.
 
2014-09-01 10:46:14 AM  
Joe Pisarcik is coaching Holy Cross?
 
2014-09-01 11:06:14 AM  
Fans? plural? You mean there's another one these days?!?

Grew up in wootown and went to dozens of HC games. Good times for a kid.
 
2014-09-01 11:37:01 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Nobody takes a knee on 3rd down in that situation.  Everyone runs the ball to the middle of the field, or else they try the field goal on 3rd.


Yeah this.  Hindsight being what it is, it's easy to say they should have taken a knee, but that's not what coaches do, either in the pro game or in college.

Can't really blame the RB either.  He was going in with both hands on the ball, he just got rocked by a perfect hit.  Blame the left-side blocking I guess.
 
2014-09-01 11:47:40 AM  
That was the most depressing bit of college football I've seen since the North Dakota State/Iowa State game.
 
2014-09-01 12:00:01 PM  

dstanley: "If you'd of had Rifleman hold on to the ball we we would have won. We didn't quit, *you* quit!"


Awesome! Best. Football. Movie. Evar.
 
2014-09-01 12:06:30 PM  

Professor Farksworth: Take a knee on third, run clock down
On 4th have your QB run directly into the ass of one of your offensive linemen


One does not just simply run "Sanchez Center 4 Whiskey Tango Foxtrot"
 
2014-09-01 12:16:18 PM  
Albany was in their vaunted 6-2 stack monster defense. Holy Cross was done either way.
 
2014-09-01 12:39:55 PM  
Wait, what did the coach do wrong? - Mike Leach
 
2014-09-01 12:44:08 PM  

harleyquinnical: I am wondering why the play was not called dead immediately when the runner's helmet came off.


Me too. Though the only instances I can recall at the moment were when the exposed player still had control of the ball.
 
2014-09-01 01:07:06 PM  
But the RB can feel his toes, so it's all good.
 
2014-09-01 01:07:08 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Nobody takes a knee on 3rd down in that situation.  Everyone runs the ball to the middle of the field, or else they try the field goal on 3rd.


You see teams take a knee all the time in that situation. You only see third down field goals when it's a kick during the last few seconds.
 
2014-09-01 01:29:33 PM  

Larry Mahnken: That's not really a short field goal for a FCS kicker.


Cat Food Sandwiches: Nobody takes a knee on 3rd down in that situation.  Everyone runs the ball to the middle of the field, or else they try the field goal on 3rd.


I agree with these statements. Hindsight is 20-20. They were just trying to get a couple yards closer for a FG try that, at this level, wasn't quite a gimme. It was a safe play and a bit of a fluke that the ball popped out, apparently because of the way the runner was stunned on the play.
 
2014-09-01 01:30:14 PM  
Came for the Miracle in the Meadowlands reference, leaving satisfied.
 
2014-09-01 01:50:58 PM  

fatalvenom: I am Groot: trick question. there are no holy cross football fans.

Probably only Bill Simmons, but he's a douche so who cares.


Get ready for a 2 hour 30 for 30 about how this was actually much more important to college football than you'd think.
 
2014-09-01 02:05:24 PM  

robsul82: fatalvenom: I am Groot: trick question. there are no holy cross football fans.

Probably only Bill Simmons, but he's a douche so who cares.

Get ready for a 2 hour 30 for 30 about how this was actually much more important to college football than you'd think.


i1045.photobucket.com

/oblig
 
2014-09-01 02:34:34 PM  
Wisconsin 30
Northwestern 27

Wisconsin has the ball, 4th quarter -- 2nd down and 2.  42 seconds remaining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlTmHFZ_Sik   Skip to the 4:45 mark

I still love you Barry but I will never forget.
 
2014-09-01 03:03:55 PM  

baorao: harleyquinnical: I am wondering why the play was not called dead immediately when the runner's helmet came off.

Me too. Though the only instances I can recall at the moment were when the exposed player still had control of the ball.


That brings up another point. If a defensive player is without a helmet, I did not think they were a legal target and thus subject to a personal foul if contact by the opposing team is made. Either way the ball should have been dead, and the clock possibly stopped.
 
2014-09-01 05:57:51 PM  

lennavan: Wisconsin 30
Northwestern 27

Wisconsin has the ball, 4th quarter -- 2nd down and 2.  42 seconds remaining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlTmHFZ_Sik   Skip to the 4:45 mark

I still love you Barry but I will never forget.


That's up there with Michigan-Northwestern in 2000.
 
2014-09-01 06:21:30 PM  
I think it's sound to run the ball.  A field goal is a risky thing in college football, not anything like in the pros.   The real mistake is not having a formation that can immediately deal with a fumble recovery by the defense.  Just having your QB back there isn't enough.
 
2014-09-01 06:57:16 PM  

lennavan: Wisconsin 30
Northwestern 27

Wisconsin has the ball, 4th quarter -- 2nd down and 2.  42 seconds remaining

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlTmHFZ_Sik   Skip to the 4:45 mark

I still love you Barry but I will never forget.


Yeah that's worse, less than a minute and 2nd down is stupid to do anything like run the ball.
 
2014-09-02 09:09:10 AM  

Birnone: I think it's sound to run the ball.  A field goal is a risky thing in college football, not anything like in the pros.   The real mistake is not having a formation that can immediately deal with a fumble recovery by the defense.  Just having your QB back there isn't enough.


Agreed.  It is more likely that a FG is blocked and returned than that a fumble is caused and returned for a TD.  And here, there were actually 2 HC players who might have been able to land on the ball or tackle the Albany player, but the OL wasn't paying attention and the QB ran a little out of the way, and then seemed to react first to the helmet, rather than the ball.  The HC coach made the (probably) statistically sound decision, but obviously, given enough games, a few of those are going to backfire and look dumb in hindsight.
 
2014-09-02 11:46:30 AM  

Larry Mahnken: LSUMJ: Earguy: Well, to be fair, there was over a minute to go on third down, so taking a knee twice would have had Holy Cross turn the ball over on downs, giving Albany one or two offensive plays.   So, it's very possible that Holy Cross would have lost in another fashion.

I have to think that the Holy Cross loss was God's will.

You take a knee once and take the short fg with about 20 seconds left making it a 2 score game

That's not really a short field goal for a FCS kicker.


say what?  (university of Montana grad)

img.fark.net
 
Displayed 41 of 41 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.

In Other Media
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report