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2014-09-01 03:08:53 AM  
We could be looking at a seamless corridor of urban development running from Raleigh Charlotte to Atlanta, and possibly as far as Birmingham, within the next 50 years
 
2014-09-01 05:37:35 AM  
Because sprawl is good and we have a right to it. "Smart" Growth and Open space are for girly man liberals.
 
2014-09-01 07:58:15 AM  
please, no
 
2014-09-01 08:04:30 AM  
Traffic is already bad enough.   Atlanta has a lot of spare real estate that needs to be filled before that can start.
 
2014-09-01 08:07:27 AM  
this is impossible.  everyone here in brooklyn tells me there's no life between LA and manhattan, other than a few hints of existence in chicago and houston.  everyplace else is uncultured flyover country populated by klu klux klan members and people who use mason jars for their intended purposes, not sipping $16 cocktails with their transexual friends in an afterhours speakeasy in williamsburg.
 
2014-09-01 08:08:33 AM  
Charlotte to Raleigh is almost a reality.  There really isn't that much open land when you drive up I-85/I-40.

But there are pretty good sized gaps between Gastonia and Spartanburg and from Greenville to Atlanta.  It will be quite a while before we get there.
 
2014-09-01 08:10:40 AM  
I think Charlotte-Columbia-Charleston is a lot more likely than Raleigh-Atlanta.
 
2014-09-01 08:22:44 AM  
Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Area
 
2014-09-01 08:24:44 AM  
And then...... Ringworld!
 
2014-09-01 08:25:22 AM  
Link

BosWash, ChiPitts, and SanSan ftw
 
2014-09-01 08:25:44 AM  
You can already see it.
i.ytimg.com
I find this image be be terribly depressing.
 
2014-09-01 08:26:46 AM  
 
2014-09-01 08:27:38 AM  

BigDamn: Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Area


Came here to ensure BAMA was mentioned early, leaving satICEfied.
 
2014-09-01 08:31:35 AM  

MrBallou: You can already see it.
[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
I find this image be be terribly depressing.


I know. That huge wasteland in the west... lots of wasted space there.
 
2014-09-01 08:37:55 AM  
A seamless corridor of kudzu is what you''ll have in 50 years. In other words what you have now.
 
2014-09-01 08:38:36 AM  

MrBallou: You can already see it.
[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
I find this image be be terribly depressing.


there is a world version of it that has a sad/funny part about it...north korea..total darkness
 
2014-09-01 08:39:30 AM  
Leave the gridlocked, 8 lanes of 5mph rushhour traffic, in Atlanta and Charlotte please. No need to connect the dots and fark up an area I might want to retire to some day.
 
2014-09-01 08:39:46 AM  
Oh, Raleigh! Say it's me you love, and not that mealy-mouthed Newport News!
www.glamorousmonk.com
 
2014-09-01 08:46:05 AM  

theborg1of4: BigDamn: Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Area

Came here to ensure BAMA was mentioned early, leaving satICEfied.


So a mega-city, the first mega-city
 
2014-09-01 08:56:40 AM  
It's not that unlikely; there's almost continuous development between Charlotte and Raleigh (and eastward out to Zebulon and Clayton), and eastern/central NC has some of the most densely populated rural areas in the country. Even out in "the sticks" here, you'll rarely see more than a half-mile between houses.
 
2014-09-01 08:58:13 AM  

MrBallou: You can already see it.
[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
I find this image be be terribly depressing.


Jesus, West Virginia looks like America's North Korea.
 
2014-09-01 09:03:22 AM  
O'Raleigh?
 
2014-09-01 09:04:57 AM  
This is why we must outlaw contraception.  Not enough people, people.

Po-jama people are boring me to pieces.
 
2014-09-01 09:05:43 AM  
They've been talking about this for 50 years now. They have been talking about the Atlanta metro going from Chattanooga to Macon as well. Traffic sucks now and driving from Atlanta to Charlotte is all relatively heavy traffic the entire way.

I see the lack of water to be a bigger problem than traffic.
 
2014-09-01 09:20:56 AM  

brownribbon: MrBallou: You can already see it.
[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
I find this image be be terribly depressing.

Jesus, West Virginia looks like America's North Korea.


If you look carefully, you see that all the mountain areas are dark parts: W. Virginia/W. PA, TN/NC border, Cumberland Plateau, Ozarks, and, of course, the Rockies. It's almost like people don't build big cities where the terrain is too steep. Weird.
 
2014-09-01 09:25:09 AM  

UNC_Samurai: It's not that unlikely; there's almost continuous development between Charlotte and Raleigh (and eastward out to Zebulon and Clayton), and eastern/central NC has some of the most densely populated rural areas in the country. Even out in "the sticks" here, you'll rarely see more than a half-mile between houses.


The only real break is the rural buffer between Chapel Hill and Hillsborough which limits house lots to sizes like 2 or 5 acres depending on the area. Of course, all that's done is guarantee a belt of Rich White People between the two towns as the poorer black residents are pushed out by a combination of rising taxes and developmental pressure.

However, if you go before the Orange County Commissioners and point out this demographic fact, you'll be branded as a racist for saying that black people don't have enough cash to pay $55k an acre for land that, just 20 years ago, was hardly worth the slash pine standing on it.

Ask me how I know this . . .
 
2014-09-01 09:27:27 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: They've been talking about this for 50 years now. They have been talking about the Atlanta metro going from Chattanooga to Macon as well. Traffic sucks now and driving from Atlanta to Charlotte is all relatively heavy traffic the entire way.

I see the lack of water to be a bigger problem than traffic.


After watching the number of little areas splitting off from Atlanta, and the push to split Fulton County into 2 smaller ones, I'm not terribly worried.  There may be development all over, but Atlanta will still be a giant suck hole of greed, corruption, mismanagement, stupidity, bigotry, territorial chest thumping, and never enough water.  Hell, the Atlanta to Athens corridor on 316 was supposed to be a mini-Silicon Valley that would be the linch-pin to unite the auto plant in Birmingham with the plant in South Carolina and the rest of the world would be gazing in awe at our accomplishment.  That's worked out as well as the 1996 Olympics.
 
2014-09-01 09:29:14 AM  

theborg1of4: BigDamn: Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Area

Came here to ensure BAMA was mentioned early, leaving satICEfied.


Same.
Just started rereading Neuromancer this week.
 
2014-09-01 09:31:45 AM  

BigDamn: Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Area

Axis

FTFY
 
2014-09-01 09:32:23 AM  

OldManDownDRoad: UNC_Samurai: It's not that unlikely; there's almost continuous development between Charlotte and Raleigh (and eastward out to Zebulon and Clayton), and eastern/central NC has some of the most densely populated rural areas in the country. Even out in "the sticks" here, you'll rarely see more than a half-mile between houses.

The only real break is the rural buffer between Chapel Hill and Hillsborough which limits house lots to sizes like 2 or 5 acres depending on the area. Of course, all that's done is guarantee a belt of Rich White People between the two towns as the poorer black residents are pushed out by a combination of rising taxes and developmental pressure.

However, if you go before the Orange County Commissioners and point out this demographic fact, you'll be branded as a racist for saying that black people don't have enough cash to pay $55k an acre for land that, just 20 years ago, was hardly worth the slash pine standing on it.

Ask me how I know this . . .


Yeah, which is why I fully expect another iteration of sprawl to hit Chatham County/Pittsboro one of these days. There will eventually be a complete southern loop of 540, and 64 will be another east-west corridor like the stretch of 40 through RTP.
 
2014-09-01 10:12:18 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: I think Charlotte-Columbia-Charleston is a lot more likely than Raleigh-Atlanta.


Charleston? Really? There's 40 miles of nothing between Charleston and I-95 still, and I've been visiting that city for over 20 years.

As for TFA, Charlotte and Raleigh will probably merge before Charlotte does with Atlanta; when you add in Concord, Lexington, Greensboro, Burlington and Durham into the mix, the I-85 corridor is already full of urban or suburban development nearly the entire trip between the two larger cities.
 
2014-09-01 10:14:57 AM  
Let me know when the Eastern Seaboard Fission Authority is up and operating.
 
2014-09-01 10:31:47 AM  

nickdaisy: this is impossible.  everyone here in brooklyn tells me there's no life between LA and manhattan, other than a few hints of existence in chicago and houston.  everyplace else is uncultured flyover country populated by klu klux klan members and people who use mason jars for their intended purposes, not sipping $16 cocktails with their transexual friends in an afterhours speakeasy in williamsburg.


You mean keeping our moonshine in?  Well, yeah, of course we do that.  We've mostly busted the klan's balls enough that they don't bother much of anybody now.
 
2014-09-01 11:10:57 AM  

Bendal: AtlanticCoast63: I think Charlotte-Columbia-Charleston is a lot more likely than Raleigh-Atlanta.

Charleston? Really? There's 40 miles of nothing between Charleston and I-95 still, and I've been visiting that city for over 20 years.

As for TFA, Charlotte and Raleigh will probably merge before Charlotte does with Atlanta; when you add in Concord, Lexington, Greensboro, Burlington and Durham into the mix, the I-85 corridor is already full of urban or suburban development nearly the entire trip between the two larger cities.


I was born and raised where 52 hits 95. You're right, there is nothing there. And no good reason to be thete.
 
2014-09-01 11:11:47 AM  

Bendal: AtlanticCoast63: I think Charlotte-Columbia-Charleston is a lot more likely than Raleigh-Atlanta.

Charleston? Really? There's 40 miles of nothing between Charleston and I-95 still, and I've been visiting that city for over 20 years.

As for TFA, Charlotte and Raleigh will probably merge before Charlotte does with Atlanta; when you add in Concord, Lexington, Greensboro, Burlington and Durham into the mix, the I-85 corridor is already full of urban or suburban development nearly the entire trip between the two larger cities.


I've lived in Concord the last 16 years and what a difference between then and now.
I-85 was two lanes coming and two lanes going and it was adequate then.
Only good thing about it is: There's a Waffle House nearly every other exit !
 
2014-09-01 11:12:48 AM  
Build underground cities.
 
2014-09-01 11:14:42 AM  

MrBallou: You can already see it.
[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
I find this image be be terribly depressing.


No kidding.  Look at all that dark space.

Oh well.  We'll fill it up eventually.

Well, maybe not West Virginia.
 
2014-09-01 11:17:51 AM  
Article is  really slow on the draw .. and btw .. Charlotte is laughing in Raleigh's direction ..

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-09-01 11:22:44 AM  

Norfolking Chance: theborg1of4: BigDamn: Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Area

Came here to ensure BAMA was mentioned early, leaving satICEfied.

So a mega-city, the first mega-city


So it needs a number.  Mega City One.

Now for some lawmen...perhaps, for expediency, to be combined with a judicial function...
 
2014-09-01 11:23:28 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: They've been talking about this for 50 years now. They have been talking about the Atlanta metro going from Chattanooga to Macon as well. Traffic sucks now and driving from Atlanta to Charlotte is all relatively heavy traffic the entire way.

I see the lack of water to be a bigger problem than traffic.


Was wondering about that myself.
 
2014-09-01 11:24:43 AM  

Bendal: AtlanticCoast63: I think Charlotte-Columbia-Charleston is a lot more likely than Raleigh-Atlanta.

Charleston? Really? There's 40 miles of nothing between Charleston and I-95 still, and I've been visiting that city for over 20 years.

As for TFA, Charlotte and Raleigh will probably merge before Charlotte does with Atlanta; when you add in Concord, Lexington, Greensboro, Burlington and Durham into the mix, the I-85 corridor is already full of urban or suburban development nearly the entire trip between the two larger cities.


Well, for what it's worth, I was talking about Charleston and Columbia expanding towards each other on the I26 corridor, and Columbia and Charlotte coming towards each other on the I77.  The last time I was in Charleston (last year) it looked to me like the 26 to 95 corridor had just exploded with work, but YMMV.  Charlotte and Columbia are definitely moving out towards each other along 77.
 
2014-09-01 11:24:53 AM  

nickdaisy: this is impossible.  everyone here in brooklyn tells me there's no life between LA and manhattan, other than a few hints of existence in chicago and houston.  everyplace else is uncultured flyover country populated by klu klux klan members and people who use mason jars for their intended purposes, not sipping $16 cocktails with their transexual friends in an afterhours speakeasy in williamsburg.


Heh.

http://www.collegehumor.com/post/6947162/every-cocktail-bar-menu-eve r# !bNStHp
 
2014-09-01 11:31:07 AM  

OldManDownDRoad: UNC_Samurai: It's not that unlikely; there's almost continuous development between Charlotte and Raleigh (and eastward out to Zebulon and Clayton), and eastern/central NC has some of the most densely populated rural areas in the country. Even out in "the sticks" here, you'll rarely see more than a half-mile between houses.

The only real break is the rural buffer between Chapel Hill and Hillsborough which limits house lots to sizes like 2 or 5 acres depending on the area. Of course, all that's done is guarantee a belt of Rich White People between the two towns as the poorer black residents are pushed out by a combination of rising taxes and developmental pressure.

However, if you go before the Orange County Commissioners and point out this demographic fact, you'll be branded as a racist for saying that black people don't have enough cash to pay $55k an acre for land that, just 20 years ago, was hardly worth the slash pine standing on it.

Ask me how I know this . . .


Why would that surprise you though? It's not like that wasn't the intention in the first place.

No one sets aside 2-5 acre plots near metroplexes for poors, or farming.
 
2014-09-01 11:32:55 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Article is  really slow on the draw .. and btw .. Charlotte is laughing in Raleigh's direction ..

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x566]


\they are going to need a tougher police force
 
2014-09-01 11:36:06 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Clemkadidlefark: Article is  really slow on the draw .. and btw .. Charlotte is laughing in Raleigh's direction ..

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x566]

\they are going to need a tougher police force


www.moviecricket.com

\darn pic failed for some reason
\\needs more coffee
 
2014-09-01 11:38:36 AM  

MrBallou: You can already see it.
[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
I find this image be be terribly depressing.


I find it kinda interesting.  You can, of course, see the outlines of the Gulf, the Atlantic, the Great Lakes (WOW Cleveland-Akron-Canton really is one big damn axis now), and on the Eastern half of the continent you can see what meager remnants of mountains exist that are too rugged to build on, but interestingly you CAN'T see major rivers, which traditionally are where major inland cities tend to spring up.  You build where the transportation is, and rivers are transport.

What you can see, however, are Interstates, especially the further west you go.  You see grid lines of light, with regularly spaced points.  You can identify which Interstate you're seeing if you are reasonably familiar with the area.  I've driven I-70-I44 to Tulsa enough times that I think I see it.

What really gets me is how there is some sort of demarcation halfway across the country where it just ceases.  There's no built-up line there, like people building against a natural land or water barrier, there's just lots of light and then very little light and no real easy explanation comes to mind.

And what's that bit in Canada up in the middle of nothing?  Calgary?
 
2014-09-01 11:42:39 AM  

Bendal: AtlanticCoast63: I think Charlotte-Columbia-Charleston is a lot more likely than Raleigh-Atlanta.

Charleston? Really? There's 40 miles of nothing between Charleston and I-95 still, and I've been visiting that city for over 20 years.

As for TFA, Charlotte and Raleigh will probably merge before Charlotte does with Atlanta; when you add in Concord, Lexington, Greensboro, Burlington and Durham into the mix, the I-85 corridor is already full of urban or suburban development nearly the entire trip between the two larger cities.


Yeah I was gonna respond, but then it was just too absurd to even debate, but glad you others responded. Charleston is now a backwater eddy, a tourist trap, an afterthought and an aside, too far off the beaten path, a relic from the seafaring days of olde, now even being passed over as a port of any significance, i.e. see Jax, Savannah, or Norfolk/Newport, Va.

From Boston to Miami I-95 is three lanes, except for SC, the bottleneck of the east coast, where everybody must slow down and plod along behind the slowest 1972 pick-up truck every to attempt to overtake a tractor.
 
2014-09-01 11:47:50 AM  
AtlanticCoast63:

Well, for what it's worth, I was talking about Charleston and Columbia expanding towards each other on the I26 corridor, and Columbia and Charlotte coming towards each other on the I77.  The last time I was in Charleston (last year) it looked to me like the 26 to 95 corridor had just exploded with work, but YMMV.  Charlotte and Columbia are definitely moving out towards each other along 77.

OK, but for what it's worth, I drive Charleston to Colombia weekly, and from my point-of-view that I-26 construction near Columbia is more Columbia trying to upgrade their connection to I-95, not really beyond 95 to Charleston. There is little in Charleston to be connected to ...
 
2014-09-01 12:06:35 PM  
Pretty sure the Pee Dee region of South Carolina will remain a shiathole forever
 
2014-09-01 12:08:41 PM  

Mister Peejay: MrBallou: You can already see it.
[i.ytimg.com image 850x478]
I find this image be be terribly depressing.

I find it kinda interesting.  You can, of course, see the outlines of the Gulf, the Atlantic, the Great Lakes (WOW Cleveland-Akron-Canton really is one big damn axis now), and on the Eastern half of the continent you can see what meager remnants of mountains exist that are too rugged to build on, but interestingly you CAN'T see major rivers, which traditionally are where major inland cities tend to spring up.  You build where the transportation is, and rivers are transport.

What you can see, however, are Interstates, especially the further west you go.  You see grid lines of light, with regularly spaced points.  You can identify which Interstate you're seeing if you are reasonably familiar with the area.  I've driven I-70-I44 to Tulsa enough times that I think I see it.

What really gets me is how there is some sort of demarcation halfway across the country where it just ceases.  There's no built-up line there, like people building against a natural land or water barrier, there's just lots of light and then very little light and no real easy explanation comes to mind.

And what's that bit in Canada up in the middle of nothing?  Calgary?


http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2013/01/16/169511949/a-mysterious- pa tch-of-light-shows-up-in-the-north-dakota-dark
 
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