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(NYPost)   127-year-old woman who has outlived her 5 children is a grandmother to 20, great-grandmother to 73 and great-great-grandma to 55 becomes the unofficial oldest person who has ever lived. And she doesn't look a day over 110   (nypost.com ) divider line
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2014-09-01 01:59:53 AM  
That's a hard 127.
 
2014-09-01 02:34:53 AM  
Well what do you know, I guess beans really are good for your heart.
 
2014-09-01 08:58:27 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Well what do you know, I guess beans really are good for your heart.


hahaha

"Despite her age, and her tendency to sleep for three days at a time"

So, if she ever goes to four they bury her?
 
2014-09-01 09:04:24 AM  
That's an expensive Christmas.
 
2014-09-01 09:14:35 AM  
Neat story, but without documents, she's a liar. Small, poor villages never over or under-estimate things like that as folklore.

/Why yes, I am fun at parties
 
2014-09-01 09:17:48 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Neat story, but without documents, she's a liar. Small, poor villages never over or under-estimate things like that as folklore.

/Why yes, I am fun at parties


Depends - are there any documents from her time fighting as part of the WWI era Mexican Revolution? That would make her at least 116, and - if there were news stories mentioning her age - could prove 127.
 
2014-09-01 09:20:40 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Neat story, but without documents, she's a liar. Small, poor villages never over or under-estimate things like that as folklore.

/Why yes, I am fun at parties


You're also hyperbolic. Logically we can say that, without documentation, she's unverifiable. Which she and her family don't contest, at least where Guinness Records is concerned.

But as usual you need to prove you're the most hard-boiled one in the room. In truth, more like lightly poached.
 
2014-09-01 09:21:39 AM  
Add her to the Fappening and watch teh interwebs REALLY asplode.
 
2014-09-01 09:23:29 AM  
I'm surprised they haven't rolled her north to take advantage of Obamacare and all of the other free handouts for illegals.
 
2014-09-01 09:23:57 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Neat story, but without documents, she's a liar. Small, poor villages never over or under-estimate things like that as folklore.

/Why yes, I am fun at parties


Yup.  I think Mephiskafflaw from the biblee lived longer, anyway.
 
2014-09-01 09:25:32 AM  
Crazy.  All the fiction and non-fiction I have read just to try to get a glimpse of understanding of so much of the stuff that she has actually live through.

Also, things like this are motivating for me at the same time.   There is a very real possibility that we will all live this old too.  All the constant campaigning against diseases has lowered our tolerance for them but also quietly covered up how many leaps and bounds in technology there have been over the last decade.  50 more years of that and alot of us will live to be this old.  Makes me want to push myself so that I have alot of stories to tell too.
 
2014-09-01 09:29:33 AM  

plcow: Crazy.  All the fiction and non-fiction I have read just to try to get a glimpse of understanding of so much of the stuff that she has actually live through.

Also, things like this are motivating for me at the same time.   There is a very real possibility that we will all live this old too.  All the constant campaigning against diseases has lowered our tolerance for them but also quietly covered up how many leaps and bounds in technology there have been over the last decade.  50 more years of that and alot of us will live to be this old.  Makes me want to push myself so that I have alot of stories to tell too.


Listen up great grandchildren, when I was your age, I played Mass Effect 3 on expert level in one sitting, while I peed into a bottle.  Hah, I'm still peeing in bottles!
 
2014-09-01 09:29:59 AM  
Well, when she dies, they can just cut her in half and count the rings.
 
2014-09-01 09:31:00 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-09-01 09:31:52 AM  
C'mon now, she's lost all documentation that proves her age and we're just supposed to take her at her word that she's the oldest person who's ever lived?

I have exactly as much evidence for my claim that I'm nine hundred and thirty seven as she does for her claim, where's my article?
 
2014-09-01 09:34:40 AM  
NY Post. Stoppedreadingthere.jpg
 
2014-09-01 09:35:25 AM  
Could back track by her off spring a bit. Wouldn't be exact, but it would give you a ballpark figure.
 
2014-09-01 09:35:32 AM  
this is a tough one for farkers.  on the one hand we're dealing with a female minority, so she can do no wrong.

but on the other, she's elderly, so she's responsible for the unbearably high student loan debt all farkers carry.

someone should check her views on gay marriage, so we can figure out whether to hang her or worship her.
 
2014-09-01 09:38:07 AM  

plcow: Crazy.  All the fiction and non-fiction I have read just to try to get a glimpse of understanding of so much of the stuff that she has actually live through.

Also, things like this are motivating for me at the same time.   There is a very real possibility that we will all live this old too.  All the constant campaigning against diseases has lowered our tolerance for them but also quietly covered up how many leaps and bounds in technology there have been over the last decade.  50 more years of that and alot of us will live to be this old.  Makes me want to push myself so that I have alot of stories to tell too.


50 more years of McD's and we will be lucky if we make it past 27 much less 127.

/where's my Big Mac?
 
2014-09-01 09:39:38 AM  
Her 5 children.  Maybe they had documentation?  What year was the eldest born? (the 1990 death of the last one proves nothing...) Add 16 to that and you'll have a reasonable minimum estimate of her age...

Old lady looks oooooollllld.
 
2014-09-01 09:40:10 AM  
plcow:

Also, things like this are motivating for me at the same time.   There is a very real possibility that we will all live this old too.

God, I hope not.  60-70 and out the door.  People freak out enough as it is when they are 40 and realize they can't get a boner like when they were 14.
 
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2014-09-01 09:40:10 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Neat story, but without documents, she's a liar. Small, poor villages never over or under-estimate things like that as folklore.

/Why yes, I am fun at parties


The cut her in half and counted the rings.
 
2014-09-01 09:41:03 AM  
But, next year she overflows into the sign bit and becomes -128 years old!
 
2014-09-01 09:41:48 AM  
Too young! (Cue Geri-Bear)
 
2014-09-01 09:43:48 AM  

BigMax: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Neat story, but without documents, she's a liar. Small, poor villages never over or under-estimate things like that as folklore.

/Why yes, I am fun at parties

Depends - are there any documents from her time fighting as part of the WWI era Mexican Revolution? That would make her at least 116, and - if there were news stories mentioning her age - could prove 127.


People lie about their age before reaching the 127 year mark.
 
2014-09-01 09:44:37 AM  
Lost her birth certificate? Did they even issue birth certificates in 1887 in Mexico?
 
2014-09-01 09:45:08 AM  

doomjesse: 50 more years of McD's and we will be lucky if we make it past 27 much less 127

./where's my Big Mac?


I like the Whopper, f*ck the Big Mac.
 
2014-09-01 09:46:37 AM  
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2014-09-01 09:46:40 AM  

cuzsis: Could back track by her off spring a bit. Wouldn't be exact, but it would give you a ballpark figure.


Possibly. Assuming she was mid-40s when her youngest child was born would at least put you in the ballpark.

But yes, in the absence of records and contemporaries to correct them, old people exaggerate their age. It's a well documented phenomenon, there's even a formula for it (which I think is "add 10 every 7 years after age stops being verifiable" -- I'd look it up, but this is Fark.) It's even routine for people to adopt as their own memories stories told to them by parents or uncles/aunts, e.g. "what I did in WW1", because memory is fallible at the best of times, not to mention at extreme age.

Anyhoo -- she's very old and has lots of descendants. Does it need to be more than that?
 
2014-09-01 09:46:58 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: Her 5 children.  Maybe they had documentation?  What year was the eldest born? (the 1990 death of the last one proves nothing...) Add 16 to that and you'll have a reasonable minimum estimate of her age...

Old lady looks oooooollllld.


Her oldest died last year at age 90.
 
2014-09-01 09:47:49 AM  
Well, if they have really old pictures of her, you can get an idea of her actual age, if you have a date on the photo.

CSB-I had a customer at this truck store I was working at, told me he was getting to old to do contractor work, and while he looked like an old dude, I asked him how old he was. He said 93, I said get the fark outta here, let me see some ID (jokingly) he showed me his DL. DOB said -keeping in mind this was 2010, it said 1917. He did NOT look 93, no cane, no walker, driving a full-size truck. My Uncle just turned 90, he stopped driving a few years ago, and uses a walker now.
 
2014-09-01 09:48:54 AM  

WTFDYW: cnocnanrionnag: Her 5 children.  Maybe they had documentation?  What year was the eldest born? (the 1990 death of the last one proves nothing...) Add 16 to that and you'll have a reasonable minimum estimate of her age...

Old lady looks oooooollllld.

Her oldest last remaining child died last year at age 90.


FTFM
 
2014-09-01 09:59:33 AM  

WTFDYW: cnocnanrionnag: Her 5 children.  Maybe they had documentation?  What year was the eldest born? (the 1990 death of the last one proves nothing...) Add 16 to that and you'll have a reasonable minimum estimate of her age...

Old lady looks oooooollllld.

Her oldest died last year at age 90.


Just the last to die, not necessarily the firstborn....
 
2014-09-01 10:00:33 AM  
No one should have to bury their children.

They have grave diggers for that.
 
2014-09-01 10:03:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Well what do you know, I guess beans really are good for your heart.


They are a magical fruit
 
2014-09-01 10:10:40 AM  
Is the Parish Church in the village she was born in still around? If so, she should be in the baptistry registry. That should get you within a month of birth.

And like others have said, if the children's records exist, you can backtrack and get within a few years.
 
2014-09-01 10:12:25 AM  
Carbon-date her.
That'll work, for sure.
 
2014-09-01 10:13:18 AM  

Another Government Employee: Is the Parish Church in the village she was born in still around? If so, she should be in the baptistry registry. That should get you within a month of birth.

And like others have said, if the children's records exist, you can backtrack and get within a few years.


Won't work.  I'm afraid we require the long form birth certificate to be sure.
 
2014-09-01 10:17:04 AM  
Yeah, there are tons of old people who claimed to to older than they were.  And none of them just have the "I lived in my village, raised my family, life went on."  They were all war heroes, and guerrilla leaders, shiat like that.  Just like how every guy who served in WWII left these days landed on Omaha beach, or stormed Iwo Jima, apparently not a single WWII guy left alive spent his war as an admin clerk at some camp in Louisiana.  Or even as a cook at a headquarters unit in England.  And they can all tell some amazing stories.  This old lady telling stories of her time as a guerrilla fighter means nothing.  As for the rifle, I have a Krag-Jorgensen I bought at an estate sale about 8 years ago.  It had "Viva Sandino" carved into the stock, and was the trophy of some Marine who fought in Nicaragua back in the 20s or 30s.  I didn't though, but, apparently, I can claim I did, since that's what this old lady is doing.
 
2014-09-01 10:24:14 AM  
czetie:

But yes, in the absence of records and contemporaries to correct them, old people exaggerate their age. It's a well documented phenomenon, there's even a formula for it (which I think is "add 10 every 7 years after age stops being verifiable" -- I'd look it up, but this is Fark.) It's even routine for people to adopt as their own memories stories told to them by parents or uncles/aunts, e.g. "what I did in WW1", because memory is fallible at the best of times, not to mention at extreme age.

FTFA: Though her birth certificate was destroyed about 40 years ago,

the Guinness Book of World Records has declined to recognize Lumbreras as the world's oldest person because of the missing birth certificate, which she lost while moving.


They can't even keep the stories about the birth certificate straight - I'm sure that's not the only thing they're lying about.
 
2014-09-01 10:24:43 AM  

devildog123: Just like how every guy who served in WWII left these days landed on Omaha beach, or stormed Iwo Jima, apparently not a single WWII guy left alive spent his war as an admin clerk at some camp in Louisiana. Or even as a cook at a headquarters unit in England.


My grandfather was in the Navy in WWII.  He floated around in the Mediterranean a lot, that's pretty much it.  Well, he didn't float around, he was on a ship that floated around, but you know what I mean.  Does that count?
 
2014-09-01 10:27:26 AM  

cheeseaholic: Another Government Employee: Is the Parish Church in the village she was born in still around? If so, she should be in the baptistry registry. That should get you within a month of birth.

And like others have said, if the children's records exist, you can backtrack and get within a few years.

Won't work.  I'm afraid we require the long form birth certificate to be sure.


That would have been a problem for my mother. She was born at home and the birth wasn't registered for about two weeks. (1921)

Given this is rural Mexico, the Parish church would be your only option.
 
2014-09-01 10:28:14 AM  

macross87: And I bet she smokes half a pack a day with a whiskey chaser.


I was just going to say that. Most of these 100+ year olds always claim that they drank a fifth of bourbon and smoked a carton of cigarettes every day for 80 years. Probably as truthful as the war heroes.
 
2014-09-01 10:30:21 AM  

ten foiled hats: devildog123: Just like how every guy who served in WWII left these days landed on Omaha beach, or stormed Iwo Jima, apparently not a single WWII guy left alive spent his war as an admin clerk at some camp in Louisiana. Or even as a cook at a headquarters unit in England.

My grandfather was in the Navy in WWII.  He floated around in the Mediterranean a lot, that's pretty much it.  Well, he didn't float around, he was on a ship that floated around, but you know what I mean.  Does that count?


Kind of like my Uncle's experience. On a Battleship Tinder for 3 1/2 years. Saw land three times once they left port in Hawaii. Got shot at twice. He said, except for the getting shot at, it was the most boring experience of his life.
 
2014-09-01 10:31:21 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Neat story, but without documents, she's a liar. Small, poor villages never over or under-estimate things like that as folklore.

/Why yes, I am fun at parties


Yep, same thing happens with Dominican baseball players all the time where sone 30-year-old tries to pass of as 25.
 
2014-09-01 10:33:31 AM  

Sgygus: That's a hard 127.


Yeah I would rather be dead.

Also I wouldn't brag about fighting for the rebels in the "Mexican revolution" since that sent the country spiraling down into the crap hole it is to this day.
 
2014-09-01 10:33:49 AM  

cheeseaholic: Another Government Employee: Is the Parish Church in the village she was born in still around? If so, she should be in the baptistry registry. That should get you within a month of birth.

And like others have said, if the children's records exist, you can backtrack and get within a few years.

Won't work.  I'm afraid we require the long form birth certificate to be sure.


img.fark.net
 
2014-09-01 10:34:56 AM  
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I have no problem believing this- who has ever heard of anyone trying to pass for older than they really are?
 
2014-09-01 10:35:41 AM  

GrymReeper: Carbon-date her.
That'll work, for sure.


At that age, why not?
 
2014-09-01 10:38:05 AM  

Krustofsky: GrymReeper: Carbon-date her.
That'll work, for sure.

At that age, why not?


At that age a nice long carbon rod would be the only date she could get anyway.
 
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